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May 21, 2018, 03:42:12 AM |
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Would be a good idea to number and sign each print by the artist i.e. 5/50 (artist) lower front perhaps using silver fine Sharpie. At the price frame should be included IMO or available at cost. Buyers should not have to bother with hassle of framing. Just a thought.
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May 21, 2018, 04:25:32 AM |
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Would be a good idea to number and sign each print by the artist i.e. 5/50 (artist) lower front perhaps using silver fine Sharpie. At the price frame should be included IMO or available at cost. Buyers should not have to bother with hassle of framing. Just a thought.
Thank you, appreciate the feedback! My only objection is: I assure you my signature is not worth having on there, it's not pretty. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) In regards to the price though, the prints are actually quite expensive to produce! We're using the top-notch medium and inks from the supplier, and the extra FoamCore/Clear wrapping adds quite a bit as well. Unfortunately, adding a frame would not be viable without further increasing the price (and shipping costs). A frame is often a very personal decision as well!
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May 22, 2018, 01:51:20 AM Last edit: May 22, 2018, 04:16:38 AM by tothemoonsands |
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After seeing a lot of hardwork (and frustration), we're going to make the puzzle a bit easier by reducing one major step. Key word a bit. It is safe to say that it will still challenge you to your limit. Funds will moves accordingly. Stay tuned for the new prize address! (Will also provide signed proof from both old and new address)
I thought about providing a special clue for purchases of the prints, but this did not seem fair and created an unfair playing field.
Thanks for playing!
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-1, same puzzle. 37XTVuaWt1zyUPRgDDpsnoo5ioHk2Da6Fs JDbC2FJSc436StEGdgrvwpEY6Y8ILQRDXwcOrlpJzETXM8tGr0oraRVRxI90odYBmxm1ckzSCTRG+akfJCAnk1U= (Proof)
Currently not accepting new orders!
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tothemoonsands (OP)
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May 22, 2018, 04:02:01 PM |
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Why are the funds moving?
As stated above, the puzzle is now easier and one step was reduced! The funds had to be moved to complete this process. I gave the clue "-1" (previously there had been a "Try +1" clue. It's important to note that the solution path didn't change and any progress toward the solution would carry over. Simple 1 step was reduced. I hope this clarifies, if not, there are some good posts are Reddit that explain what this likely means! It still may be too difficult, but at least the odds are ever so slightly in your favor!
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May 26, 2018, 07:24:06 PM |
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Very very cool puzzle and intersting to look at, too. Not the time on my hands to look deeper into it right now. Besides I hope this won't be solved, temporarily forgotten and then discovered again by the media when BTC hits $100k or something like that. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Great work, DataSea.
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June 27, 2018, 05:44:47 AM |
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looks like it was a scam. OP went silent, reddit thread got locked, store links to artwork now dead.
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June 27, 2018, 05:57:17 AM |
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looks like it was a scam. OP went silent, reddit thread got locked, store links to artwork now dead.
The puzzle is still active. The store link should still be there, although the poster is sold out. Reddit thread got locked due to inactivity - there are no new hints at this time, and we're going to wait for some time before releasing any more.
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June 27, 2018, 09:54:57 AM |
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looks like it was a scam. OP went silent, reddit thread got locked, store links to artwork now dead.
Most of the people here can assure you that OP isn't a scam. Well known and good artist in the community. Get your things right before making such a statement
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June 27, 2018, 09:57:28 AM |
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looks like it was a scam. OP went silent, reddit thread got locked, store links to artwork now dead.
Most of the people here can assure you that OP isn't a scam. Well known and good artist in the community. Get your things right before making such a statement Predictably, it was a brand-new account making such an accusation. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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July 18, 2018, 04:35:52 PM |
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Why are the funds moving?
As stated above, the puzzle is now easier and one step was reduced! The funds had to be moved to complete this process. I gave the clue "-1" (previously there had been a "Try +1" clue. It's important to note that the solution path didn't change and any progress toward the solution would carry over. Simple 1 step was reduced. I hope this clarifies, if not, there are some good posts are Reddit that explain what this likely means! It still may be too difficult, but at least the odds are ever so slightly in your favor! I hope the OP agrees that this transaction that was made after releasing the puzzle together with some of the clues presented which were later changed (e.g. +1, -1) means confusion and it has led many people to abandon the search. As the creator of this lovely puzzle, of course the OP might see things differently. One thing is clear: the puzzle was initially created with certain expectations, and then some interference occurred from the creator, after the puzzle was released. So, (as a silly but plausible example) anyone can be stuck in trying to access the old address which is now empty. I hope the OP can put himself or herself in the solver's shoes and appreciate the high degree of confusion. I am not talking about the actual difficulty of the puzzle which is supposed to be hard. If the OP cannot release another clue, at least some clarification is needed. Information that's not really going to help in any way in finding the solution. The difficulty remains the same but at least it clears up some of the confusion. OP will decide on this of course, but if anyone working on this is asked, the answer will be unanimous: Something is needed from the OP to continue with the search.
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July 22, 2018, 01:32:08 AM |
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I hope the OP agrees that this transaction that was made after releasing the puzzle together with some of the clues presented which were later changed (e.g. +1, -1) means confusion and it has led many people to abandon the search. As the creator of this lovely puzzle, of course the OP might see things differently.
One thing is clear: the puzzle was initially created with certain expectations, and then some interference occurred from the creator, after the puzzle was released. So, (as a silly but plausible example) anyone can be stuck in trying to access the old address which is now empty.
I hope the OP can put himself or herself in the solver's shoes and appreciate the high degree of confusion. I am not talking about the actual difficulty of the puzzle which is supposed to be hard.
If the OP cannot release another clue, at least some clarification is needed. Information that's not really going to help in any way in finding the solution. The difficulty remains the same but at least it clears up some of the confusion.
OP will decide on this of course, but if anyone working on this is asked, the answer will be unanimous: Something is needed from the OP to continue with the search.
I don't find the +1/-1 change confusing at all. I do, however, think everyone would appreciate a small clarification from the puzzle creator regarding another matter: Is Satoshi's whitepaper itself required to solve the puzzle?I'm not looking for suggestions of "it couldn't hurt" or indication that it's helpful because it may, in turn, help elucidate some component relevant to the puzzle--there are only so many ways of logically organizing the data that we're given by the image, and knowing whether or not it's expected that we need to specifically consult the original whitepaper to progress through this puzzle, would at the very least allow solvers to concentrate their efforts behind one of two major methods of approach. Right now it's virtually impossible to know where to begin, and this is coming from someone who has spent over 300 hours trying to tease out information from the puzzle. Thanks -clane
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July 27, 2018, 07:34:47 AM |
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He did say it on page 1... Only image is needed
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July 27, 2018, 06:58:38 PM |
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He did say it on page 1... Only image is needed
That isn't strictly true, though, is it? Unless you have a flawless memory of BIP39 seed words, you'd need to refer to the English word list. This is why I'm asking for specific clarification on whether or not the whitepaper is needed. Because "yea you can just look at it" more likely means "You don't have to buy it, you can just use a jpeg/png version" but still requires outside information.
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July 27, 2018, 08:53:29 PM Last edit: July 27, 2018, 09:05:41 PM by OneServer |
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So you are saying you can win just by looking at the image? You can look at the image you posted and find it? And OP's reply: Absolutely. So just by looking at the picture one should be able to solve, according the OP. I must confess that something doesn't seem right. The solution cannot be rationally found just by looking at the picture. Ambiguity is the word. Clearly the OP doesn't realize how much ambiguity is in this puzzle. I can start pretty much anywhere but let's take a closer look at some of the given clues - they might as well have never been mentioned since they cannot avoid the overwhelming ambiguity. OP won't believe me when I mention ambiguous clues. This is a normal cognitive reaction, since my position seems equivalent to someone incapable of solving the puzzle. But not quite. That WOULD have been my position, IF the puzzle wasn't broken by the incredible amount of ambiguity. There is no ill intention here from the OP. He simply did not realized he gave ambiguous clues. Here is just one proof of ambiguity - I have at least a dozen. One of the given clues was: lost transaction costs almost users Another clue was: And another clue was: The words transaction costs, just like they were given in the clue one next to each other, do not coexist within the puzzle. But they can be found in the original Satoshi paper, as a nice little pair, one next to each other. Where? Count exactly 21 lines of text when you include the title and you will find them. 21 lines of text! https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdfHowever, since we are only supposed to look at the picture, as stated by the OP, the fact that the two words from one clue are found on line 21, or the fact that the words appear as a pair in the same paper should not be followed as the correct way to progress. It is simply a coincidence translated here as ambiguity. If it's not a coincidence, then the OP made a mistake when he confirmed that simply looking at the image is enough to find the solution. Again, this is based on everything the OP has stated so far. Finally, I would like to make one more remark. Neuroscience is teaching us about the limited field of expectations when it comes to human actions, and it can be calculated using probabilistic tools with a fair amount of accuracy. See 'Superforecasting' by Tetlock and Gardner or Daniel Kahneman's work. After the reddedit post was closed due to inactivity, one expectation was that the OP will start a new post, orderly state the valid given clues, and perhaps give a new hint since those already offered failed to achieve their purpose. clue = helpfulBut almost three months past and there is really no reasonable explanation for this silence. People spend their time for something like this so there is a certain responsibility that comes with the action of initiating such a project. And the common argument 'if you don't like it, do something else', is extremely weak. It does not remove whatsoever the social norm of 'assuming the responsibly for your actions'.
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July 27, 2018, 09:14:07 PM |
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If it's not a coincidence, then the OP made a mistake when he confirmed that simply looking at the image is enough to find the solution.
Exactly. I agree that there's no ill intentions from the OP, but (and with word-based puzzles in particular) the risk of coincidences such as these runs high. Clarification is absolutely necessary at this point, otherwise there's no point in continuing. Not to mention the OP's comment on reddit that: Stay tuned in the future, you never know when another update or clue will drop. Going to be a bit more interactive/adaptive than previous puzzles. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/8kk0pa/1_btc_is_hidden_in_this_puzzle_good_luck/dzd6gfk/This puzzle was presented with the expectation that it was difficult yet solvable, and that the clues guided us in a helpful direction. Instead, most puzzle-solvers I've spoken with are angry about how unclear everything is, and many continue to suspect it's a publicity stunt with no actual solution. While I doubt it's a scam, it would be nice for OP to comment on at least some of the confusion, because many of us have spent hundreds of hours desperately searching for connections and having no clear indication that we're on the right path.
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July 27, 2018, 09:23:53 PM |
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One of the given clues was: lost transaction costs almost users Not to mention only some of the OP's reddit replies specifically indicated that they were a clue. This one in particular was a response to someone posting the mystery numbers from LOST. Does that mean we should completely ignore this comment because he's just making a joke? Or do these words somehow adhere to a pattern that we're supposed to be applying to the other words in the image? The same can be said for "code easily, attack early" . Was it just a silly response to someone's question? Most solvers are hell-bent on including these pairs in their solutions, probably because they have little else to work from.
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July 28, 2018, 01:27:01 AM |
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Actually OP confirmed those as clues.
Even though I've returned to that 'summary' several times to re-read and try to make sense of things, I still question whether OP is actually confirming clues or if he's just confirming "yeah, I said all those things." Like you say, I can find meaning out of all kinds of 'pairs'....and I can dismiss just as many for any number of reasons (location in image, size of word, angle, etc) and there's no telling what the OP wants us to glean from the information provided. But this is not about 'puzzle solving skills', it's about the need for clarity, as nobody seems to be able to even start this supposed 'marathon'. No to mention actually finish it. Yep. Most of Coin Artist's puzzles had clear steps--a definitive indicator that you were on the right track and had solved a chunk of the data. 1FLAMEN wasn't quite like that, and lo-and-behold, it took years and years to solve. I wouldn't be surprised if OP is content for this to remain unsolved for years so it too achieves cult status and raises the profile of his business. It was neat when that happened with 1FLAMEN, because CoinArtist wasn't selling anything. It was a puzzle for a puzzle's sake. I'm not sure how I feel about this one. I feel like the solvers deserve at least a few points of clarification from OP, because you're absolutely correct, this is going nowhere. The puzzle may be genius-level work, but we'll never know because it's a word puzzle which--as you noted--is infinitely more open to interpretation than numbers and symbols. It's kind of a "screw you" to the solvers to go silent, especially after initially saying this would be a 'much more interactive' puzzle between solvers/creator. If OP is assuming that there's enough hints out there that someone's approaching a solution, I can tell you that's not the case. Every puzzle solving chat across telegram/slack/discord, this forum, reddit..everywhere...the well is completely dry. The puzzle makes no sense. No one can even tell you where it starts.
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Linking to the clues context.http://bit.ly/2vCdpoN"This work is comprised of Satoshi Nakamoto's famous whitepaper words, scaled by Log N. Disparate ideas inspired Satoshi to create a solution to revolutionize modern socio-economics and industry. The work reflects on the elements that brought this technology to life, and challenges the underlying security model. Hidden in plain sight lies something more: a treasure hunt. 1 BTC is concealed within the work."
Edit: Address of prize https://blockchain.info/address/37XTVuaWt1zyUPRgDDpsnoo5ioHk2Da6Fs http://bit.ly/2MdGUrhYou can throw at least half of those out. This is clue #1. http://bit.ly/2Ou6m8FSorry, inbox is flooded. When you have the answer, there will be no doubt. It's not easy, but it's absolutely possible. Think in pairs (Clue #2). http://bit.ly/2MijWhDCode easily, attack early http://bit.ly/2vYcBtKLost transaction costs almost users. http://bit.ly/2Ovb9Xshttp://bit.ly/2vyAXL2http://bit.ly/2Mid9oshttp://bit.ly/2Mp3f4wTo triumph, one must look within. To infinity, and beyond. When you are close to home, X marks the spot. http://bit.ly/2w1bd9xThanks for summarizing, this may be helpful for latecomers going forward. No one said it would be easy, enjoy the journey! Good luck to everyone, signing off for now. http://bit.ly/2M8CKkvhttp://bit.ly/2MdhVEsAll op comments
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Don't waste your time with this. Here is proof that every possible clue and every number, letter or word which might have been considered as part of the puzzle was in fact generated randomly by a js engine. You can go ahead and play with it, I just spent 10 min and generated a similar image. https://github.com/jasondavies/d3-cloudSo, where to begin... It was indeed stated that the words are scaled by log n which is a feature of d3-cloud. Cool. What's not being said, is that if you try it yourself, you will get the exact 'strange', 'enigmatic' and apparently non-random spread of single letters, numbers, groups of numbers, names, etc that everyone was talking about on Reddit. In fact, all those were randomly generated. Take a look at my image. Ignore the resolution or the actual order, these are irrelevant. If you spend enough time adjusting the angles and other parameters in node.js you can get a 100% copy of this randomly generated puzzle - then you just add the white circle and logo in Photoshop. What is fascinating, and for this I am sorry for all those who actually tried to solve this, are my highlighted elements. I circled only a few but just compare them with the ones in the original image. You will also find the same numbers, single letters, etc spread out in different parts of the 'puzzle'. This means that whatever you do, no matter how hard you try, you will never succeed because every element you might think it's part of the 'giant puzzle' as it was advertised, is in fact a product of a .js library and not an intentional clue or puzzle piece. The trick here is to understand this: How can anyone use js to randomly generate a bunch of letters and numbers and dates, based on some input/text, and then assume that people should be able to figure out some non-randomness from that, and get some free BTC? Look at the original image. You will see the same 'enigmatic' numbers, single digits, dates, capital letters, etc, that you can generate on your own. Even the so called words Block Chain Transaction are also written with a large font in my image. Not to mention the difference in font size and font style of text and numbers, all are random. And you might be spending a long time trying to link those somehow. Or you might wonder about the position of words, letters, numbers, and so on. Positioning is random, there is no intentional link between any of the elements within the image. You will never be able to find any link because it has no logic, it was built by a machine in JavaScript. And no human being has been born yet capable of finding reasoning and non-randomness in a randomly generated bunch of crap. We now have proof that the original image was randomly generated, with some PSD work. I have also proved that all the single elements like letters, numbers, font size, font style, etc, were randomly generated. I conclude that there cannot be any intentional link between this randomly generated image and.... anything. Not to mention a Bitcoin private key, address, etc. Therefore, the puzzle is a fake. Any connection between this puzzle and a BTC address is unintentional. If anyone claims that this is not a fake, they cannot argue against my objection. A genuine puzzle can only be an original work, non-randomly generated, and intentionally constructed by the mind and talent of an artist. Not made by a JS engine. I am tired of people believing they are smarter than everyone else. And please don't be tricked by my new account, I am older than most here. My image, randomly generated: https://i.imgur.com/eQWyIOp.png
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