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January 04, 2014, 07:16:11 PM
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I'm finally looking to exchange a few of the BTC I've been holding on to for the last few years as I need some money for a new startup.

I've registered and verified an account with Bitstamp and made a test SEPA withdrawal for just under $2000.  Everything went fine and I received the funds in my account.

The sum I'm looking to withdraw now would be around 1 million USD.  Since the average balance and transactions of my bank account have never really exceeded a few thousand euros, I'm worried about setting off some alarm bells.

Has anyone had experience with this?  Is there anything I should be aware of to avoid any hassles? 

I've had problems in the past with bank accounts being frozen since i travel constantly and send money worldwide regularly.  It was some anti money laundering measure they had in place and I had to convince the bank that I was really just sending funds to myself for living expenses abroad.  Took nearly three months to resolve that last time and I would like to avoid this if I can!
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January 04, 2014, 08:09:12 PM
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You will have to pay taxes for such a big amount. Other than that it is fine.
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January 04, 2014, 08:44:08 PM
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You will have to pay taxes for such a big amount. Other than that it is fine.

I don't even know where to begin searching for tax information.  All the coins I have, I mined.  In any case, my main concern was a hold up with the banks.

Perhaps this is the wrong forum for this type of question and I should speak directly with my bank first, as well as an accountant.  It's my first time converting coins to fiat so it's a bit new to me.
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January 05, 2014, 06:00:03 AM
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Ask support how to do. There are some services, that permit withdraw for every amount.
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January 05, 2014, 06:03:52 AM
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I wouldn't even try to transfer 1 million USD to my bank account if your account doesn't handle those ammounts regularily.

Try doing it slowly if possible over a few months, or try selling your BTC for cash locally.
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January 05, 2014, 12:47:49 PM
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You will have to pay taxes for such a big amount. Other than that it is fine.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22915954

‘Tax havens’ agree to clampdown on tax avoidance and evasion

The prime minister has hailed an agreement by the UK’s Overseas Territories and Crown dependencies to sign up to a tax evasion clampdown.

David Cameron said it was a “very positive step forward” ahead of the G8 meeting, which starts on Monday.

But sources from the Crown Dependencies told the BBC a proposed register of companies, revealing the true owners, may not work.

They say it does not include trusts and the UK business community may object.

Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands, the Cayman Islands, Gibraltar, Anguilla, Montserrat, the Turks and Caicos Islands, Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man were all represented at a meeting at No 10 on Saturday.

Many regard the islands and outposts as tax havens, although that is a label they strongly dispute.

They have agreed to sign up to the Multilateral Convention on Mutual Assistance in Tax Matters – an initiative led by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD).

They have also agreed to publish national action plans on beneficial ownership, detailing the true owners of so-called “shell” companies.

However, the BBC’s business correspondent Joe Lynam said sources were warning ministers had not consulted the UK business community, which may reject the plan because it would prevent them saving as much corporation tax as they do at present.

They also said the register – to be held by Companies House – may never be made accessible to the public as many had hoped.

The government has said initially it would be available only to authorities such as HM Revenue and Customs, but a consultation would be held on making it public.

Mr Cameron said: “Personally, I would hope the whole world will move towards public registers of beneficial ownership, but I want to maximise the leverage that the UK has got over others in terms of each step in turn.

“Also, I want to make sure that business and enterprise comes with us on this debate.”

‘Absolutely vital’

The PM said it had been a “very good” meeting: “It is important we are getting our house in order. What the Crown dependencies… have signed up to is basically the existing and the new standards for exchanging tax information. That is absolutely vital.

“It is a very positive step forward and it means that Britain’s voice in the G8, and campaigning on this issue around the world for proper taxes, proper companies, proper laws… will be stronger.”

In a joint statement, the leaders of the territories and dependencies said: “We are committed to continuing to play a leading role in delivering a responsible and effectively regulated global business environment and in tackling the global problem of tax evasion.”

Alongside the new register, the government is also continuing to push for automatic information exchange with Britain’s Overseas Territories and Crown dependencies.

Richard Murphy, director of Tax Research UK, told the BBC how it would work.

“If, for example, you had an account in Jersey… Jersey would have to tell the UK you’ve got it and how much income you earn on it automatically, without your consent.”

But he added: “Let’s be honest, tax havens deliberately disguise who has accounts in their jurisdictions, whether that is individuals by some form of banking secrecy or companies through the use of trusts and offshore companies.”

Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man have already agreed to some information sharing with the UK, but not all other countries.

‘Through persuasion’
Speaking after the meeting, Jersey’s Chief Minister Ian Gorst said the label “tax haven” was “not a term we accept or acknowledge”.

“We are an open and transparent jurisdiction,” he told the BBC.

“We’re already meeting current international standards. We’ve got over 40 tax information exchange agreements, we don’t have banking secrecy law, and we’ve said again today to the prime minister that actually we’d like to have the OECD convention extended to us.”

David Cameron meeting the leaders of Britain’s Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies
Bermuda, the British Virgin Islands, the Cayman Islands, Gibraltar, Anguilla and Montserrat were among those represented at the meeting
Labour leader Ed Miliband said Mr Cameron must be prepared, if necessary, to get tough with any territories or dependencies which refuse to comply with the UK’s demands.

“Britain, which has responsibility for arguably the biggest network of tax havens in the world, needs to use all its considerable legal power and authority to ensure all the UK overseas territories and Crown dependencies which act as tax havens sign up,” he said in an article for The Independent.

Asked about the possibility of imposing such requirements, Treasury Chief Secretary Danny Alexander told the BBC: “I think it’s better to do it through persuasion… but look, if in the end it comes to that, I dare say we would consider it.”

In a report, the charity Christian Aid said the territories were the largest source of investment to developing countries, but these nations were losing tax worth £100bn a year because of the way money was moved through havens.

Mr Cameron is expected to ask leaders including US President Barack Obama and German Chancellor Angela Merkel to sign up to a new set of core principles on tax at the G8 summit at Loch Erne.
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January 05, 2014, 01:14:41 PM
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I'd personally transfer in smaller amounts, bit by bit.

Or find people locally wanting to buy and selling to them.

I wouldn't transfer a fortune to my bank!
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January 05, 2014, 02:41:59 PM
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I have no experience in this but out of common sense and the AML policies etc etc... Withdrawing as much as this to a bank account (and maybe even from bitstamp side sending this much on one payment) might trigger multiple alarms. You should contact a lawyer to know all the legal details. also IMO try to break them into smaller bits if you can.
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January 06, 2014, 04:49:50 AM
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What is your banks country? Also, if you are EU resident, I can advice you fly to Lativa let's say and open few saving accounts there, and explain on interview that you'll have some large transfers coming.
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January 06, 2014, 05:06:36 AM
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What is your banks country? Also, if you are EU resident, I can advice you fly to Lativa let's say and open few saving accounts there, and explain on interview that you'll have some large transfers coming.

Funnily enough, my primary account is in Latvia.  This is where I hope to send the funds.  I have accounts in Ireland, Malta, Germany, Australia, Canada, and China as well. (Probably others I've forgotten about).

From prior experience, transferring anything above around 10,000 has caused problems for me in the past.  Of course breaking up the transaction into smaller pieces if probably safer for at least a few reasons, but I also don't want to be waiting a half year either. 

I've considered opening an account in Luxembourg or the BVI, but need to do a little research on that.  That's not for the sake of trying to avoid taxes however.  I'm not bent on spending time in prison.
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January 06, 2014, 05:43:40 PM
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What is your banks country? Also, if you are EU resident, I can advice you fly to Lativa let's say and open few saving accounts there, and explain on interview that you'll have some large transfers coming.

Funnily enough, my primary account is in Latvia.  This is where I hope to send the funds.  I have accounts in Ireland, Malta, Germany, Australia, Canada, and China as well. (Probably others I've forgotten about).

From prior experience, transferring anything above around 10,000 has caused problems for me in the past.  Of course breaking up the transaction into smaller pieces if probably safer for at least a few reasons, but I also don't want to be waiting a half year either. 

I've considered opening an account in Luxembourg or the BVI, but need to do a little research on that.  That's not for the sake of trying to avoid taxes however.  I'm not bent on spending time in prison.

In such situations it's a good idea to start from speaking with your banks manager(s), explain situation to them - if this money is not illegal, I don't see a reason why not speak with the bankers
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