A useful discovery for building mining rigs

[Kachingo]

I was wondering whether the massive bandwidth provided by a PCI-E x16 bus was necessary for block building with a graphics card, and whether x8, x4, or x1 would still work.

As setting bus lane width via software seems to be impossible, instead I cut pins 19 through 82 on a PCI-E x16 riser card. This makes the lane width the same as a PCI-E x1 connector. It would have been better to just buy a converter but this was cheaper and easier for the purpose of this test.

The nvidia driver now confirms the operating lane width as x1 instead of the x16 it was previously.

Using poclbm to build blocks, it hashes at the exact same rate as when it was operating at x16 speed, even while also displaying 1920x1080 on my monitor. Bear in mind that my card isn't exactly super new, and only hashes at around 20MH/s, but I'd speculate that even the best cards should hash at full speed using a PCI-E connector with far fewer lanes. I'm also not sure how all graphics cards handle running at x1, but I don't think it should cause any issues.

This should mean that with the appropriate connector adapters and a rather large power supply, you should be able to run as many graphics cards as your motherboard has PCI-E connectors with no loss of hash rate.

Here's pictures of the setup:

https://i.imgur.com/iFe3t.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/nysoK.jpg

[[Tycho]]

Nice find, but people already frequently use x1 slots, especially ArtForz.
Some motherboards will require shorting particular pins to be able to detect such card. And sometimes you can also feed additional power from PSU to PCIe slot bypassing the MB.

[Kachingo]

Nice find, but people already frequently use x1 slots, especially ArtForz.
Some motherboards will require shorting particular pins to be able to detect such card. And sometimes you can also feed additional power from PSU to PCIe slot bypassing the MB.

Oh right, I didn't realise that. I'd only seen mining rigs using two graphics cards, while it seemed to me that it would be more cost efficient hardware-wise to chuck 6 or so on it. Do you have a link to any info on this sort of setup?

[Cryptoman]

The main problem is cooling, not slot availability.  You need an empty slot next to each GPU so the fan can draw in cool air, unless you implement some sort of custom cooling solution.  That means each GPU effectively needs three slots, and ATX only gives you 7 total.  If those PCIe risers were tall enough and had holes in them...that might help.

[teknohog]

The main problem is cooling, not slot availability.  You need an empty slot next to each GPU so the fan can draw in cool air, unless you implement some sort of custom cooling solution.  That means each GPU effectively needs three slots, and ATX only gives you 7 total.  If those PCIe risers were tall enough and had holes in them...that might help.

There are also PCIe extenders with a ribbon cable. At least the x1 ones should be better for cooling, and they would also give more options for mounting the cards away from each other.

[foo]

The main problem is cooling, not slot availability.  You need an empty slot next to each GPU so the fan can draw in cool air, unless you implement some sort of custom cooling solution.  That means each GPU effectively needs three slots, and ATX only gives you 7 total.  If those PCIe risers were tall enough and had holes in them...that might help.

There are also PCIe extenders with a ribbon cable. At least the x1 ones should be better for cooling, and they would also give more options for mounting the cards away from each other.

http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=42

[Cryptoman]

http://blog.zorinaq.com/?e=42

I've seen that link plenty of times, but if you're going to go to all that time and expense, why not just buy another case, mobo, PSU, etc?  The more time you spend fiddling around trying to get something custom working, the further up the difficulty will climb.  I've got plenty of ideas myself what could be done better or differently to build a mining rig, but I'm not going to bother at this point in time because the ever-increasing difficulty makes it pointless.