Visacoin/Aerocoin/Verocoin/Shares/Neon Scammed just with 14 posts.

[wezelvis]

Look I am not attacking eMunie with this post but I just want to point out that the main impression you guys give off who have just come over from the eMunie forums.

The posts and responses such as suck as: choke on a fuck stick and die, are not only overly defensive but pretty down right immature. While there was some clarification and reasoned responses from actual beta testers(which seemed more neutral) the community response from core community members such as billtronic Visin ect is downright appalling. A well reasoned mature response is the image that you want to be giving to accusations(which will always arise) to eMunie. Not an emotional spitting at people which are actually pointing to potential discrepancies within a system that is closed. You guys are the only ones with this information and are responsible for divulging it if you want any trust to be built as the system is not and will not for the time being be open to the community.

If you have a system of currency which is closed and there is no public access to information not only will accusations arise but consistent doubt and questioning will need to be answered in a mature way. Only the first inside community beta testers seem to have information to digress yet they are more interested in yelling and spitting the dummy at any accusation that arises. What does this show you about the current state of the community?

Don't get me wrong congratulations on having such a strong "community response" to accusations of a scam. It shows you that the community is a close knit community which will back each other up in a fight. But we aren't going out on a friday night looking for people to smash that look at us the wrong way. Instead people on this board are looking to be part of an exchange/trade system which is open honest and can revolutionise they way we interact with each other . This isn't built of an aggressive style pub mentality, its built of a mature, growing and open community. Maybe eMunie needs to learn this before people will ever decide to give their trust away to them.

You make some good points about the emunie community being strong.

Look at the title of this thread:

 Visacoin/Aerocoin/Verocoin/Shares/Neon/eMunie Scammed just with 14 posts.

That is on a par with:

Adolf Hitler/Josef Stalin/Pol Pot/Idi Amin/Barack Obama

or

Jeffrey Dahma/Ted Bundy/Jack the Ripper/Charles Manson/Barack Obama

It doesn't really matter whether you support Barack Obama or not, he is a serious political figure, and it is highly offensive to any thinking person to group Obama with known serial killers or 20th century mass murderers. He does not belong in either of those lists regardless of whether you like him or not.

Likewise it is highly offensive to compare Visacoin, Aerocoin, Verocoin, Shares, Neon or any other scam coin with eMunie. That is just as ridiculous, and it will piss a lot of people off, and some of them will come out swinging.

The supporters of emunie are not afraid of reasoned argument and debate (most actually welcome it), but if you throw a turd you will probably get one back (or maybe a fuck stick in this instance).

Don't pretend this thread is a reasoned argument against emunie - it is a slanderous turd thrown by a disgruntled small minded person.

[lovely89]

Exactly the thread I was looking for. Now to promote it?

I have read and heard enough over the last 6+ months to know eMunie isn't a scam. No question has went unanswered on the eMunie forum and I believe that the concept behind this and the beta client is enough to 'make' more money than any scam, even of this magnitude, ever could.

I believe the same people calling eMunie (can't say anything about the rest, too early) a scam now will be the same ones whining about an unfair distribution or release because they missed out on the opportunity. Surely the beta client and the history of posts is enough to convince someone that this is indeed a new coin and the current short term closed source code is in the best interest of eMunie in the long term.

Nothing posted in the OP hasn't been explained already if someone did their research. The WTC conspiracy is more logical than the two points against eMunie. I guess if everyone believes this scam theory, it's good for me, as when the masses realise what they have missed out on, I'll be reaping the bonuses of increased demand and be sharing the distribution.

I guess it is possible that the OP is actually a soon to be eMunie investor and wants to scare the 'noobs' away to reap  more benefits later on. If so, well done sir, definitely nominated for troll of the year, as far.

Haterz gonna hate.
Peace.

[LewiesMan]

It's easy to Judge - But wait until your judged? yeah than come to me with your high horse!
Let's be honest... The only reason you're calling Emunie a scam is because you were expecting to get rich quick!
Well... BOO, HOO, HOO. If any coin should be labeled a scam it's bitcoin itself! That's what you're missing here folks:
The Point... bitcoin is only for the rich elite who can afford expensive hardware(asics) - Emunie (which is an honest
crypto-currency, and received TRUE dedicated hard work!) is for... EVERYONE! so before you judge - please get your
facts strait! You owe the Emunie community a HUGE apology!

[niothor]

It's easy to Judge - But wait until your judged? yeah than come to me with your high horse!
Let's be honest... The only reason you're calling Emunie a scam is because you were expecting to get rich quick!
Well... BOO, HOO, HOO. If any coin should be labeled a scam it's bitcoin itself! That's what you're missing here folks:
The Point... bitcoin is only for the rich elite who can afford expensive hardware(asics) - Emunie (which is an honest
crypto-currency, and received TRUE dedicated hard work!) is for... EVERYONE! so before you judge - please get your
facts strait! You owe the Emunie community a HUGE apology!

Indeed , for everyone?
Even for the 2 billion peoples that can't afford a computer? =)))

Look , I respect the emunie project and what is aims for but if you start claiming it will mean equal wealth redistribution ....

[Jamesco]

First, whilst I admit the allegations are obviously over the top and calling eMunie a scam coin is offensive my point is a little bit of professionalism would go a a long way.

And I understand you can justify people being emotionally invested into a project, but to tell people to go eat a fuck stick and die? Can you really justify this as a response? Fair enough your explanation tells me why someone might respond to this in a certain way but this in no way justifies the responses, it merely gives reasons explaining them.


Your turd analogy  is ... well.... a bit shit...(see what I did there ), the first thing that springs to mind is that the idea throwing turds at each other is somehow worth it? Look my take on this is that the core community members of eMunie are not kids,they are not supposed to be, they are more akin to parental figures of a community, that by default is starved from open information .  When a child throws a turd at a parent is it really the best way to deal with it to throw the turd back at a kid? At the end of the day I was just pointing out that the founding community members of eMunie shouldn't turn into two kids throwing turds at other kids. There are claims and there will always be claims that don't add up and this arises because eMunie is a closed system. The public has no access to any information other than snippets on the forum.

The claim that is of concern is not that a kid has called eMunie a scam. It is the idea that we have conflicting snippets of information that don't(didn't?) add up. There were low download counts and a high claim of 600 BTC invested. People are worried about eMunie stealing peoples investment and this is reasonable considering how much money has been stolen through bit coin scams in the past. What would be even more reasonable is if this was handled with a bit more care, how are we supposed to know what is really happening under the hood of eMunie? This would not happen if eMunie was an open transparent system. Until this happens(which might not be for a very long time) the community members are the only ones that can clear up discrepancies with information.

[Sparky_eMunie]

Indeed , for everyone?
Even for the 2 billion peoples that can't afford a computer? =)))

eMunie will targed also low cost phones. It has a very small footprint.

There were low download counts and a high claim of 600 BTC invested.

No, this is simply not true. The download count of the client is not publicly available, since it's a closed beta. The client URL changes almost daily and is usually posted only in the beta tester chat. There may be up to 5 builds on a single day, and it's posted only to the chat. Some checkpoint releases are posted in the forum from time to time, so people can downgrade to older releases to test things out. Here is an example of such a checkpoint with a changelog: http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/files/file/12-emunie-beta-9971/

Also the 600 BTC figure is not publicly available.

So there are no discrepancies whatsoever. The OP is simply spreading nonsense.

[wezelvis]

When a child throws a turd at a parent is it really the best way to deal with it to throw the turd back at a kid? At the end of the day I was just pointing out that the founding community members of eMunie shouldn't turn into two kids throwing turds at other kids. There are claims and there will always be claims that don't add up and this arises because eMunie is a closed system. The public has no access to any information other than snippets on the forum.

I think you make some valuable points here. This forum is a public place after all, and we should all try and act respectfully towards other people, and other projects. But I think this situation is not comparable to a child/parent relationship. The OP is trying to do something much more sinister and calculated than anything a child would do to their own parent.

The OP has some form here, and his agenda is more akin to a sleazy tabloid journalist trying to smear an enemy. He's going for some slanderous payback here, and while my reference to 'turd throwing' may have been vulgar, my intent was to portray the OPs actions as an extreme and over-the-top exercise in 'mud slinging'. Here is the slander:

PS: Looks like eMunie is a scam too and here why it looks like courtesy of member who requested to be anonymous and from his own words (Thank you very much mate!)

First

Daniel (Fuserleer) was a member of the Blackhat forum, a known scammer website.
http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/224492-fuserleer.html

Second

Daniel claims to have raised over 600 BTC from beta testers alone.  Yet eMunie's threads on Bitcointalk are small, only a small handful of testers post and the download page barely has any downloads.

http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/files/category/1-emunie-releases/
http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/topic/1094-emunie-pre-launch-sale-dutch-auction/

Daniel restricted the beta testers to $8K USD investment each.  How is this possible for such few beta testers to raise that much?  Why did so many decide to go in?  Where are these beta testers?  Because they don't seem to be posting or downloading the client very much (if I was putting in $8K of my money, I would take this more seriously).

Daniel is lying about the beta investments in order to hype up his later pre-sale IPO.


To put into perspective - Mastercoin had a very honest presale and a very publicized one and yet they only raised $450Kish.  Are you telling me that a dozen active beta testers have put in $600K+  We know bullchit when we smell it.



There's a lot of proof out there that Fuserleer is a scammer and is going to launch a scam coin that will outdo Visacoin.

That term - 'mud slinging' - may have been a better choice, but the use of 'turd throwing' does indicate the degree of offence taken by those of us who have seen Fuserleer operate at close quarters. The OPs accusations are completely ridiculous, and I'm glad you can see that. Fuserleer is a first rate person, and what he is trying to do with emunie is not motivated by personal gain. He does not deserve to have this smear against him go unchallenged, and due to the ridiculous nature of the content, some in the emunie community did not feel, in the heat of the moment, that it deserved to be treated with much respect, hence the aggressive, but humorous, tone. You, on the other hand, are expressing your points very respectfully, and so we can all keep our nappies on (for the time being)

You are always welcome to come over to the emunie forum and see what goes on for yourself. eMunie is not a closed system. Have you applied to be a beta tester?

[Fuserleer]

WOW!  Just WOW!

I usually ignore these FUD posts, as they are plain ridiculous (as is this one), but seeing as I personally am the target, and its blown up quite a bit, I thought I should step in a clear some of this up.

Firstly the whole BHW thing....really??  *I* was the one that got scammed on there, not the other way around.  This question was posted on our own forums a little while ago and this was my response:

Because some guy on there attempted to scam me out of $2k even though he had been paid.  It wasnt even anything to do with BHW, yet he posted a thread.  I kicked up a fuss about it, stating it was nothing to do with BHW, it wasnt for a service or product listed on there as it was personal business and refused to yield to his threats.

For some reason the BHW mods decided to poke their noses in even though it was nothing to do with them, by this point I was trying to keep my good name yet they sided with him even though I had proof I'd paid him.  The BHW mods are as crooked as the members quite frankly and I wouldn't visit that place again if I was paid to.

Hopefully that is a sufficient explanation regarding a crooked websites actions.

To clarify, after I sold my previous business, which I had ran for 7 years, I wanted to do something different.  I messed around in online advertising/CPA etc, I wanted to learn what that was all about as its BIG business.  Also turns out it is pretty much saturated with crooks & scammers and I came across a few that attempted to scam me, the guy that took it to BHW even though it was nothing to do with them, was the icing on the cake.

At that point I decided that online marketing can kiss my ass.

So I don't see how one guy attempting to scam ME with the idiot mods over on BHW siding with him, even after I had proof, makes me a scammer myself.  Just because I was on that site for a while, doesn't make me a scammer, as that would mean that all the honest people on there must be scammers too.  Plus, and here is where if you give this a little genuine thought it seems ludicrous, if I came here with the intention of scamming you guys, WHY ON EARTH WOULD I USE THE SAME USERNAME!?!

You have no proof whatsoever other than some crazy interpretation of what happened to me on that forum, and the fact that the scams on THIS forum as are flamboyant and outrageous as the ones on BHW.

Quite frankly I am insulted and angered by your accusations and anyone that supports your claims.  I am an inventor of technologies, a business and entrepreneur that is trying, believe it or not, to create something useful and innovative for everyone to use. 

If I was here to scam, I could of made a shit coin in days, called it "Decepticoin" and walked off with millions.  I've been working almost 12 months on this NONE STOP, everyday, for 18+ hours a day with no breaks, so your attack is quite infuriating and insulting to the effort I have put into this project.  That said, I guess FUD takes no effort at all, so it is not really going to be very well thought out, or presented factually.

Bottom line is, I'm going to do this regardless of support or not from the Crypto-Currency industry.  You guys can attack all you want, mock and poke fun, complain about how I'm doing things and I'll continue regardless and eMunie will be successful outside of this tiny little demographic here, in all corners of the globe.

[eid]

I found out about emunie in late November and was impressed with what I read, so I headed over to their forum and introduced myself. I found them very welcoming and keen to explain to new members how the whole system works. I put my name down on their queue for beta-testers and was made one with a week (its a lot longer now due to the high numbers of people coming in).
Again, the experienced testers and Dan went out of their way to help me get my bearings and were very welcoming in general. the whole place has a great atmosphere and community.

I'm now also a moderator over there.

I haven't paid anyone anything to get into the beta and I think its frankly ludicrous to call emunie a scam. It would be the most elaborate and pointless scam I've ever heard of with the amount of time and energy put into it.

Now we are coming up to the public pre-sale. If you want to read why were having one, you can do so on our forum and even a post here on bitcointalk, so I won't go into that.
However, before we start with the general public, Dan thought it was a good idea to get the beta-testers out of the way. I have invested in this and I assure you I don't give my money out lightly. With the amount I've invested, I find it no surprise that Dan has collected 600 from beta-testers alone.

I don't know what agenda the OP is pushing, or his so called anonymous source, but it isn’t the good of the crypto community.



I invite anyone to come to our forums at forum.emunie.com and find out for themselves.

[Apraksin]

I'm also a beta-tester for emunie, and can attest that I did not pay a dime to become one.

Neither has anyone pushed me into investing my BTC in the project. After I had researched and read about emunie for a month I invested gladly in the beta pre-sale by my own free will. This is not some new scam-coin, but a very serious project that will pull the rug under the crypto-communitys feet when it's launched.

[Cobra]

It was probably just a mistake to include eMunie at the end of this thread......

As someone that has been in the beta for 6 months and watching it progress eMunie will be a true game changer and revolutionary.  Others may come to the table claiming 2nd gen with full C++ clients which shows the alt community is progressing beyond copy and paste coins which is comforting none the less. When communicating with the same people daily for so long testing and providing feedback to make the product better with each release shows great passion. Fuserleer has been very open and public with his identity from the start of the project, if he was trying to scam anyone he would not let his identity out. Until eMunie I did not think something would come along that would have the potential to compete with BTC, addressing flaws and innovating along the way. It surely will not happen quickly as it will be like a train that slows down over time. I think BTC may stick and may end up being "digital gold" but certainly not used in day to day transactions. These are just my opinions, you do not need to believe them or comment.

The time is coming near for eMunie to take flight with or without the help from anyone at BTT. I have been a member here since January 2012 and only Full Member status because people just like to start fud or have the last word, maybe "extreme lurker" would be appropriate title. People should understand when someone is voicing their opinion and leave it at that and not take offense. I feel strongly about eMunie.....that is my opinion, no need to reply or comment bashing me or eMunie, read, move on. If you want to see what a true sense of community is like check out forum.emunie.com......or don't and just be annoyed each time you see eMunie referenced.

[greentea]

OP has his own agenda ... calling these IPO coins a scam and look what he does:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400920

seems he's a bit upset no one donated to his IPO coin

[cryptasm]

OP has his own agenda ... calling these IPO coins a scam and look what he does:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400920
seems he's a bit upset no one donated to his IPO coin

Pisstake

[Apraksin]

OP has his own agenda ... calling these IPO coins a scam and look what he does:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400920

seems he's a bit upset no one donated to his IPO coin

One could almost believe he is just pissed because his own coin was so crapy none was stupid enough to be fooled by it. Love the irony.

[Fuserleer]

Makes perfect sense now!

Thanks for linking to that.

[Millicent]

A professional response would have been for the eMunie team to contact the admin to remove the slanderous post or entire thread.  Start a new thread and post a link to their forum/site etc.  I manufacture performance parts for race cars and street cars and learned along time ago to steer clear of the "forum bs"  Arguing with an idiot only makes two idiots.

Professionalism goes a long way in promoting your product, whatever it is.  Take the high road,  move along, and let your product speak for itself.

[Sparky_eMunie]

OP has his own agenda ... calling these IPO coins a scam and look what he does:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=400920

seems he's a bit upset no one donated to his IPO coin

Yes, and he deletes a lot of posts in his own scam coin thread. He claims there is no PREMINE, but tries to sell coins before the coin starts, which is btw a shitcoin litecoin scrypt clone like 100 others in the altcoin subforum.

[eid]

I've been asked by one of our (emunie's) members to post his response, as he only just made a BTT account and is stuck in the Newbies sub-forum:


http://forum.emunie.com/index.php?/topic/1112-when-will-be-start-the-pre-sale/?p=11754

TL/DR: I really like eMunie.

 

---------------

I was invited to the beta test group a few days ago.  I'm currently running several test instances of the user-client and hatcher-client across multiple servers spread out geographically.  

 

In no way ever have I been requested to contribute financially to the project.  I have, however, done so willingly based upon my initial testing results.

 

Initial first impression of the client:

This application will most likely be a game-changer.  I have to constantly temper my enthusiasm for how beautifully and elegantly the current beta version operates and thankfully my wife is always there to keep my "feet on the ground."       Regardless, in its current version I find it to be elegant, simple, easy-to-use and understand.  Those are high bars to leap over in the crypto-currency environment if "we" (the less than 1% of the world involved in the electronic money ecosystem) ever hope to achieve any significant adoption by the masses who don't care for complicated systems.

 

Fundamentally, my main reasons for why I believe in emunie are based on its economic model since it is founded upon "The Quantity Theory of Money" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantity_theory_of_money

 

The basic premise behind this theory is that the "supply" of a currency should equal "demand" for its use and nothing more.   This theory is the ONLY theory that ALL competing economic theorists can fundamentally agree on (read up on Keynesians vs. Monetarists vs. Austrians vs. Milton Friedman).  As such, if you can find ANY theory that all of these guys can agree on as being an accurate representation for how trade and commerce should operate efficiently then you know you've stumbled upon something revolutionary.

 

However, "ideas" are dime-a-dozen, the real test of an idea is in its "implementation" in a real world environment.  Accordingly, once it has been tried and subsequently fails there are many critics available that will quickly pounce upon the notion that the "theory" itself is flawed.  This is not entirely true.  As someone with a Six-Sigma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Sigma) background for over 15 years + 20 years experience in Supply Chain Management (ie study of supply vs. demand in business http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_chain_management) I would suggest that the fault "might" lie instead upon the technical "implementation" of the theory since the tools to efficiently implement it might not have existed at the time it was implemented.

 

For the past 5000 years the "implementation" of this theory has been tested countless times to be a successful method of promoting trade and commerce.  However, the failure of each of these "implementations" has NOT been been because of the theory itself, but rather a failure in how best to "control" the supply vs. the demand through the limited tools available at the time.

 

Prior to the internet, there was really no easy, systematic, or automated method to determine supply vs. demand.  As such, humans were needed to be in control centrally.  This was done by Kings, central planners and, most recently, by central banks through the study and analysis of a whole host of trailing and leading economic indicators.  Unfortunately (by design), this system is flawed in numerous ways since primarily the central body is operating in a "reactionary" environment in that they must constantly be tweaking the supply to match demand based on the latest data available.  When they miscalculate in their analysis we get a predictable set of circumstances that lead to either an inflationary or deflationary environment.  At these extremes we find hysteria and depression since these are the natural outcomes from mismanaging the supply/demand based on imperfect information.

 

In the world of emunie the above scenario is removed from the hands of a centrally managed group that uses imperfect information to control suppy/demand and is instead autonomously managed by the system itself.  As demand increases so does supply.  As supply increases, it is distributed equally among all users so that the impact of inflation is eliminated (i.e. a rising tide lifts all boats equally).  A rising supply at "just the right level" ensures trade and commerce.  The ability to adjust supply/demand in near real-time across a decentralized network is what sets this system miles above any competing "coin" based solutions.

 

At this point I've probably waxed on for far too long (as my wife will agree I have a tendency to do) so in closing I'd like to suggest for you to watch the following videos I have seen recently if you have the time (yes, they are a bit long, but worthwhile nonetheless).

 

While watching each video try to avoid the conspiracy theory conjecture and the "us vs. them" rhetoric that can easily be incited in such an emotionally charged topic as money often leads to.  Instead, try to keep a pragmatic/rational mindset and always continually ask "Why?"  By that, I mean you should keep asking yourself "why" each of these "implementations" has failed.

 

 

History of currency:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdSq5H7awi8&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLE88E9ICdipidHkTehs1VbFzgwrq1jkUJ

Comment:  Granted this guy is a promoter of gold/silver, but the history lesson is quite relevant.  Technically, (my view) gold and silver are nothing more than non-technological method for "trying" to control supply/demand in world of imperfect knowledge of supply/demand by pegging it to something that we know is limited.  As stated earlier, previously we didn't know of any other way to manage it (although emunie has found a way).

 

Note how at around 3 to 4 minutes into it we see "why" it was successful in that it was standard, universal, fairly stable unit of account (price) that  allowed for the coins to be successful.

 

Biggest Scam in history

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0

Comment:   This video does a solid job of explaining the current central bank process, but I provide it more so as an example of a flawed "implementation" of the theory to try and control supply/demand based on imperfect information.

 

Secret of Oz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qIhDdST27g

Comment:  This provides a view of an alternative "implementation" based on who should manage supply (government instead of central bank), but never discusses "how" it will be controlled by the government to ensure supply matches demand.  As such, regardless of whether a central bank or the government controls it are meaningless since both would be dependent upon imperfect information and self interests to manage the environment.  However, the video does show several examples for how allowing "supply"  to be adjusted dynamically to meet demand results in the promotion of increased trade and commerce.

[soopy452000]

It's quite hilarious that some of you people are really thrashing people who do not agree with your thoughts lol , my coin is not an IPO coin and nor I will not premine I will mine when launched and will giveaway all donators from my own mining when it's launched lol you see I'm not after profits as much as some of you who are thrashing on the thread are. Cheers!

[Sparky_eMunie]

It's quite hilarious that some of you people are really thrashing people who do not agree with your thoughts lol , my coin is not an IPO coin and nor I will not premine I will mine when launched and will giveaway all donators from my own mining when it's launched lol you see I'm not after profits as much as some of you who are thrashing on the thread are. Cheers!

Why do you need donations? Your coin is a Litecoin clone with some parameters changed. Few lines of code changed. Everyday 5 such coins are announced. You have no chance whatsoever to hit an exchange.

You made outrageous false claims against eMunie, and at the same time you try to extract money from novice users who have no clue about coins.