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August 30, 2011, 01:46:55 PM
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Just to set the record straight....

I am not a pedophile.    I am a homosexual.   But those are two completely different things.   In fact, the vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual.

I have never had any sort of sexual relations with anyone under age --- ever in my life --- even when I was underage myself, and I certainly have no interest in doing so.    It is a horrific and despicable thing.    ( Even when I was under 18, my first boyfriend was 19, and I was 17.   We were together for 6 years. )

I do not condone rape.   It is equally despicable.   I never condone any acts of violence, unless in direct self defense.    I have never raped anyone.

Absolutely everyone familiar with Thai culture in the least knows that ALL males are referred to as "boys" --- even if they are 38 years old.    And ALL females are referred to as "girls", similarly.   It is just the terminology they use.    It is a bit disconcerting at first.... to hear them constantly refer to someone older than you as a "boy" or a "girl"....   but you get used to it.    It is a part of their culture and customs.

I happen to know that Thailand's laws against child-sex are extremely strict.    IDs are checked everywhere, and multiple times, to insure that everyone is over 18 years old.    Thailand's laws are much stricter, in this regard, than the laws of New York, New Jersey, or Connecticut --- where the legal age of consent is only 17, in fact.

However, again, I have never had any such interest in anyone who is not an adult.... ever in my life.

What has happened is....

I have spoken out against the MyBitcoin posse.....   Madhatter, his close familial relationship with NanaimoGold, etc., etc.

I've also spoken out against the vandalism --- to the point of the destruction of --- this Forum.....  by kid hackers who absolutely HATE libertarian values, and bitcoin, and what those concepts stand for.

The Result is Clear.

This Forum has become their obvious target.   They want to destroy it.    And they've done a good job of that.

And I have become a target --- and they want to destroy me --- because I promote Bitcoin, and I am enthusiastic about Bitcoin....  and, the fact is, people listen to me.    So they are trying oh so desperately to discredit me.

Then, add to that, the MyBitcoin heist by all the names associated with each other on the #bitcoin-police wiki....   and you get the complete picture.

These are Bitcoin Haters.....   and MyBitcoin Thieves who are now Fugitives.

Many of the statements made about me by these people are clearly libelous.   I am retaining legal counsel to pursue all legal avenues with regard to such libelous statements made about me.

As you can see in these two emails I just received today....    The MyBitcoin thieves are scared.    They are only hoping that I do, in fact, have something to hide.   Sorry to disappoint...   But I do not.

Sorry about your luck someone... or whatever other obvious pseudonym you're using today.    Smiley

I have absolutely nothing to hide.    And I have broken no laws.      ( other than a big fat ticket for not wearing a seat belt recently.  Smiley   )

Two interesting emails I received today...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX7ur4Ey5X4

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Don't you wish you could delete and change things faster? Well, the
internet doesn't really work that way does it? We had that stuff
archived over a year ago -- it's old news to us.

Look, I always knew you were a pervert. Ever since you first appeared on
the forums. I kept your secrets for a long time.

Your reputation is toast. Now, I don't even have to lift a finger. The
rest will run its course organically.

You got sloppy and you put people I know in harms way. That was
irresponsible and unforgivable.

I have more information about the things your group is involved in, but
it is so fucking sick I'm afraid to even think it. If the police ever do
find me and show up on my doorstep they'll be the first to get a copy.

We want you to leave Bitcoin now. You've served your purpose. We can
take it from here. Pack your bags and fuck off now. Go back to whoring
or something else instead, pretty please?

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Cheers!
The Madhatter

As you can see, someone is desperate and scared.   He hopes against all odds that I have something to hide... and that he ( they ) can intimidate me into stopping.... telling the truth.
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August 30, 2011, 01:49:15 PM
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Just to set the record straight....

I am not a pedophile.    I am a homosexual.   But those are two completely different things.   In fact, the vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual.

I have never had any sort of sexual relations with anyone under age --- ever in my life --- even when I was underage myself, and I certainly have no interest in doing so.    It is a horrific and despicable thing.    ( Even when I was under 18, my first boyfriend was 19, and I was 17.   We were together for 6 years. )

I do not condone rape.   It is equally despicable.   I never condone any acts of violence, unless in direct self defense.    I have never raped anyone.

Absolutely everyone familiar with Thai culture in the least knows that ALL males are referred to as "boys" --- even if they are 38 years old.    And ALL females are referred to as "girls", similarly.   It is just the terminology they use.    It is a bit disconcerting at first.... to hear them constantly refer to someone older than you as a "boy" or a "girl"....   but you get used to it.    It is a part of their culture and customs.

I happen to know that Thailand's laws against child-sex are extremely strict.    IDs are checked everywhere, and multiple times, to insure that everyone is over 18 years old.    Thailand's laws are much stricter, in this regard, than the laws of New York, New Jersey, or Connecticut --- where the legal age of consent is only 17, in fact.

However, again, I have never had any such interest in anyone who is not an adult.... ever in my life.

What has happened is....

I have spoken out against the MyBitcoin posse.....   Madhatter, his close familial relationship with NanaimoGold, etc., etc.

I've also spoken out against the vandalism --- to the point of the destruction of --- this Forum.....  by kid hackers who absolutely HATE libertarian values, and bitcoin, and what those concepts stand for.

The Result is Clear.

This Forum has become their obvious target.   They want to destroy it.    And they've done a good job of that.

And I have become a target --- and they want to destroy me --- because I promote Bitcoin, and I am enthusiastic about Bitcoin....  and, the fact is, people listen to me.    So they are trying oh so desperately to discredit me.

Then, add to that, the MyBitcoin heist by all the names associated with each other on the #bitcoin-police wiki....   and you get the complete picture.

These are Bitcoin Haters.....   and MyBitcoin Thieves who are now Fugitives.

Many of the statements made about me by these people are clearly libelous.   I am retaining legal counsel to pursue all legal avenues with regard to such libelous statements made about me.

As you can see in these two emails I just received today....    The MyBitcoin thieves are scared.    They are only hoping that I do, in fact, have something to hide.   Sorry to disappoint...   But I do not.

Sorry about your luck someone... or whatever other obvious pseudonym you're using today.    Smiley

I have absolutely nothing to hide.    And I have broken no laws.      ( other than a big fat ticket for not wearing a seat belt recently.  Smiley   )

Two interesting emails I received today...

Email 1 from Madhatter Today:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX7ur4Ey5X4

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Don't you wish you could delete and change things faster? Well, the
internet doesn't really work that way does it? We had that stuff
archived over a year ago -- it's old news to us.

Look, I always knew you were a pervert. Ever since you first appeared on
the forums. I kept your secrets for a long time.

Your reputation is toast. Now, I don't even have to lift a finger. The
rest will run its course organically.

You got sloppy and you put people I know in harms way. That was
irresponsible and unforgivable.

I have more information about the things your group is involved in, but
it is so fucking sick I'm afraid to even think it. If the police ever do
find me and show up on my doorstep they'll be the first to get a copy.

We want you to leave Bitcoin now. You've served your purpose. We can
take it from here. Pack your bags and fuck off now. Go back to whoring
or something else instead, pretty please?

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Cheers!
The Madhatter

As you can see, he is desperate and scared.   He hopes against all odds that I have something to hide... and that he ( they ) can intimidate me into stopping.... telling the truth.


There's been a ton of evidence handed over to tips.fbi.gov, I really don't think you've done nothing, especially with the way you've been acting as of lately plus the whole Pattaya thing
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August 30, 2011, 01:49:26 PM
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Ok, we've looked over the emails, and they do look legit. They come from the same known emails that TheMadHatter used before the MyBitcoin disaster so we can only conclude that they come from the same person or persons.


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August 30, 2011, 01:52:57 PM
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The forums aren't really the target (its u)




Divorce yourself from the Bitcoin community ASAP and save them some face and grief.
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August 30, 2011, 01:53:28 PM
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I cannot speak for the second half of your email. But as for the first half, the fact that you even need to come out and disclose this in an open forum is beyond ridiculous. You have been the subject of pure and simple character assassination, complete with innuendo, witch hunts and the rest. I for one don't need any explanations from you, because I simply don't believe the accusations. Was the choice of Pattaya for a Bitcoin conference wise? Who knows? Beyond that, everything else that has happened is quite shameful and you didn't deserve it.

I hope you'll take some comfort in the fact that there have been many voices on this forum saying essentially the same thing. Some of us take the presumption of innocence principle seriously.

Cheers, Bruce, hope you can get past this nastiness somewhat unscathed.

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August 30, 2011, 01:56:12 PM
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I can only agree with SomeoneWeird.

The emails in Bruce's post appear to come from the real Mad Hatter as far as we can accurately say.

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August 30, 2011, 01:58:31 PM
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Nothing to hide?  Then why are you deleting all your posts re: sex with boys people found?

Edit:  hackers lol, it doesn't take a hacker to google your skype username and find your history of posts about prostitution, pimps, madams, boy loving, etc. 

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Absolutely everyone familiar with Thai culture in the least knows that ALL males are referred to as "boys" --- even if they are 38 years old.

Except for the whole part where you offered your THREE PRONGED ATTACK advice to the guy looking for virgins. Would those be 38 year old virgin boys in the child sex capitol of the world? Is that what they were, Bruce?

I can't speak to whatever conspiracy you're raving about with Madhatter and the hordes of hackers who are all out to get you, but your own words make you look really bad, dude.
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I just want to know why you were so persistent to the point of becoming unhinged about the destination of Pattaya even after the community (rightfully) backlashed against it. People started getting curious and found one of the reasons why you love Pattaya (erotic entertainment, I don't want to address or get involved in the allegations beyond that). You should have just come out and said that you loved the male prostitutes in the city and got it out of the way, people probably would have accepted that as your explanation even if it is still a very bad idea to hold a conference in Pattaya. There were even Bitcoin advocates that live in Thailand that were telling you this was a very bad idea due to the issues that the city currently faces, yet you were still insistent.

I don't agree with anyone calling you an out-and-out pedo, but I really think that you could have handled this issue of Bitcoin conferences a hell of a lot better and actually gotten some sound advice from better-informed people on where to hold this conference and how to conduct yourself while doing it. Pattaya isn't a place to hold a world-wide financial conference and you really should have known better.
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August 30, 2011, 02:10:04 PM
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I would recommend to anyone checking the number of posts of the people answering here. Usually the "users" with low post count go in one direction and the user with high post count go in another direction.
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Absolutely everyone familiar with Thai culture in the least knows that ALL males are referred to as "boys" --- even if they are 38 years old.    And ALL females are referred to as "girls", similarly.   It is just the terminology they use.    It is a bit disconcerting at first.... to hear them constantly refer to someone older than you as a "boy" or a "girl"....   but you get used to it.    It is a part of their culture and customs.
The Pattaya suggestion could have been written off as ignorance on your part, but that doesn't seem very likely now.

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I Don't care much about any of the personal crapflinging that will abviously go on around this thread....Instead i draw your collective attention to the following excerpt from "The Mad Hatter"s email:

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"You got sloppy and you put people I know in harms way. That was irresponsible and unforgivable."

All that Bruce did, as far as I am aware was to report the details of the suspects related to the MyBitcoin scam to the appropriate authorities.

The above statement by TheMadHatter only further implicates his own personal involvement in MyBitcoin by confirming that he is (one of) or knows the identities of the perpetrators of a suspected scam.

?? did i just miss something ??

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August 30, 2011, 02:12:46 PM
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I would recommend to anyone checking the number of posts of the people answering here. Usually the "users" with low post count go in one direction and the user with high post count go in another direction.

I'm not sure this is the case here. There are plenty of people who have been here for ages that are disturbed by all of this and have voiced as much.

I'm completely against the accusations of pedophilia and find them sickening, but I really think the issue of Pattaya was one that could have been handled better had Bruce not had some personal crusade to get back there without any input from anyone - even the people who live IN Thailand!
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August 30, 2011, 02:12:58 PM
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I would recommend to anyone checking the number of posts of the people answering here. Usually the "users" with low post count go in one direction and the user with high post count go in another direction.

And YOU might want to check into the things that Bruce has posted all over the 'net previously. Don't give him a 'free ride' just because he is a Bitcoin celebrity.
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August 30, 2011, 02:18:32 PM
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Just to clarify; Bruce's referrence to "fugitives" couldn't possibly include me.

My real name, address and telephone number are in the whois record. I might be the easist man to locate in all of the bitcoin realm.

Nanaimo Gold is now the world's oldest running exchanger of digital currencies, the first exchanger of bitcoin and the only exchanger to run through the entire lifespan of bitcoin without a hack or more than a brief downtime.

A fugitve could not accomplish that.

https://www.nanaimogold.com/ - World's first bitcoin exchange service
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August 30, 2011, 02:32:50 PM
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Madhatter and nanaimogold are obviously scumbags.  That doesn't really help your case though, Bruce.

I think it'd be best for Bitcoin if you stepped out of the spotlight for now, and gave others a chance to step up.  We need a chance to diversify and decentralize the Bitcoin "PR department".  Just take a break from your promotional activities for a little while and wait for the air to clear.
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August 30, 2011, 02:40:39 PM
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I think it'd be best for Bitcoin if you stepped out of the spotlight for now, and gave others a chance to step up.  We need a chance to diversify and decentralize the Bitcoin "PR department".  Just take a break from your promotional activities for a little while and wait for the air to clear.

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August 30, 2011, 02:53:13 PM
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Can you at least explain these?







Quote from: Bruce Wagner
brucewagner said:

Men and Boys: Ever pee in a bottle in public? take my anonymous poll http://ping.fm/Y6xyQ
1 year, 7 months ago.

I'm dying to go back to Pattaya, Thailand... Paradise on Earth.
1 year, 7 months ago.

so sometimes men = boys, and sometime it refers to two different groups?


For those who don't know, punlman is Bruce (you can check his blog, or this screenie:

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August 30, 2011, 02:55:50 PM
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This is gonna go back and forth, back and forth, there aren't any hard evidence in either direction. Even if there was hard evidence to prove, no one could post it but only submit it to the FBI. Could this be like a Micheal Jackson case or Kasey Anthony or OJ Simpson, sure. These are sick accusations, whether true or not, plain out sick.

The real judge will be his maker, that's how I see it.
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August 30, 2011, 02:57:53 PM
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All the accusations against you are still valid.  Like was said, these guys trying to take advantage of your current situation are scumbags, but you still have things to answer for.  I won't bother listing them (they are pretty well documented and have been sent to the FBI) but you should be careful of trying to bring a libel suit.  Last thing a prostitute wants is a lawyer and his team digging into his background.  

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