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September 04, 2011, 04:03:03 AM
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So just to be clear here: No, Bruce has never talked about the accusations of fraud against him?
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September 04, 2011, 04:08:26 AM
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So just to be clear here: No, Bruce has never talked about the accusations of fraud against him?

He has, he explained that his business did collapse and some people lost money but this was not a result of fraud, he did his best but was unable to help them like he intended.  Businesses collapse all the time, that doesn't mean they are scams.

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September 04, 2011, 04:35:19 AM
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But according to those court documents Bruce never helped a single person. How is that not a scam?
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September 04, 2011, 07:16:17 PM
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Hang him!

And burn down Pattaya!

And crown the internet judges!

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September 05, 2011, 01:15:15 PM
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Gave you not seen his other posts?  Everything he says is derogatory, ignorant, and/or just dumb.  You can give him the benefit of the doubt if it makes you feel like a better person though. 
I have.  I disagree.  It does not, but sometimes doing right in the world doesn't always make you feel like a better person, you just have to have faith and keep fighting evil anyways.

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September 05, 2011, 02:08:57 PM
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Gave you not seen his other posts?  Everything he says is derogatory, ignorant, and/or just dumb.  You can give him the benefit of the doubt if it makes you feel like a better person though. 
I have.  I disagree.  It does not, but sometimes doing right in the world doesn't always make you feel like a better person, you just have to have faith and keep fighting evil anyways.

Amen, brother, and this applies never more intensely when you're a right bastard who ought to burn in righteous hell fire forever.


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September 05, 2011, 02:14:08 PM
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Amen, brother, and this applies never more intensely when you're a right bastard who ought to burn in righteous hell fire forever.


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September 05, 2011, 02:44:33 PM
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September 06, 2011, 08:28:19 PM
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So just to be clear here: No, Bruce has never talked about the accusations of fraud against him?

He has, he explained that his business did collapse and some people lost money but this was not a result of fraud, he did his best but was unable to help them like he intended.  Businesses collapse all the time, that doesn't mean they are scams.
All this careposting and not one word about collectible plastic ponies?
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September 06, 2011, 08:46:15 PM
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as a resident of Pattaya I would like to point out that there is no more underage prostitution here then in any other city in the world. Yes there is a lot of prostitution, the economy is based on it ever since the US military started coming here, but underage prostitution is illegal here, same as most western countries.  In 5 years I have never seen children being sold and never been offered any. I have no doubt there is child prostitution here if you look hard enough as it is in every city in the world. I know that wont sell many newspapers in the west but thats the way it is.
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September 06, 2011, 09:22:15 PM
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Yes there is a lot of prostitution, the economy is based on it ever since the US military started coming here, but underage prostitution is illegal here
Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, period. So your claims that it 'doesn't happen' because it's 'illegal' are flawed.

I have no doubt there is child prostitution here if you look hard enough as it is in every city in the world. I know that wont sell many newspapers in the west but thats the way it is.

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According to the US-based research institute “Protection Project”, estimates of the number of children involved in prostitution living in Thailand ranges from 12,000 to the hundreds of thousands (ECPAT International). The government, university researchers, and NGOs estimated that there are as many as 30,000 to 40,000 prostitutes under 18 years of age, not including foreign migrants (US Department of State, 2005b). Thailand’s Health System Research Institute estimates that children in prostitution make up 40% of prostitutes in Thailand.

*Thailand's own* research estimates that 40% of all prostitutes in Thailand are children. You're crazy if you think it's 'no more' than any other city.

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September 06, 2011, 09:34:00 PM
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all i know is that in 5 years I have seen no sign of it, prostitutes, yes Ive seen thousands, child prostitutes, not one so far

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September 06, 2011, 09:41:14 PM
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as a resident of Pattaya I would like to point out that there is no more underage prostitution here then in any other city in the world. Yes there is a lot of prostitution, the economy is based on it ever since the US military started coming here, but underage prostitution is illegal here, same as most western countries.  In 5 years I have never seen children being sold and never been offered any. I have no doubt there is child prostitution here if you look hard enough as it is in every city in the world. I know that wont sell many newspapers in the west but thats the way it is.

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September 06, 2011, 09:43:04 PM
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all i know is that in 5 years I have seen no sign of it, prostitutes, yes Ive seen thousands, child prostitutes, not one so far


No child prostitutes? What about "really short" prostitutes?
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September 06, 2011, 09:47:11 PM
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Prostitution is illegal in Thailand, period. So your claims that it 'doesn't happen' because it's 'illegal' are flawed.
Is that any different from the US. where did I claim that it "doesnt happen" or that legality is the reason it doesn't happen?


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estimates of the number of children involved in prostitution living in Thailand ranges from 12,000 to the hundreds of thousands (ECPAT International).
thats a 20 fold difference, I wouldnt call that an estimate, I would call it a wild guess
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*Thailand's own* research estimates that 40% of all prostitutes in Thailand are children. You're crazy if you think it's 'no more' than any other city.


they sure hide them well, I wonder what the research involved?

so how many child prostitutes are there estimated to be in the US?
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September 06, 2011, 09:50:16 PM
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all i know is that in 5 years I have seen no sign of it, prostitutes, yes Ive seen thousands, child prostitutes, not one so far


No child prostitutes? What about "really short" prostitutes?
yes, there are short ones, the thing is, I dont care, all Im saying it that its a myth to portray pattaya as some kind of child prostitution place, sure you can no doubt hunt it out and its quite likely someone will report you to the police or blackmail you, but its not on the streets at all
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September 06, 2011, 09:54:18 PM
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Didn't read this entire thread, but I'm a regular at the something awful forums, and it's true they have an irrational hatred of bitcoins. There was a huge thread on them and a ton of people seem almost personally offended by the fact that these things exist. It was so annoying that I had to stop following it because I would make one vague claim about these being cool and 20 people would jump on me for being an idiot.

That said, the forums there are the best on the internet all things considered, and being close minded about some dorky things is just the nature of the beast there.
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September 06, 2011, 10:45:59 PM
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all i know is that in 5 years I have seen no sign of it, prostitutes, yes Ive seen thousands, child prostitutes, not one so far


No child prostitutes? What about "really short" prostitutes?
yes, there are short ones, the thing is, I dont care, all Im saying it that its a myth to portray pattaya as some kind of child prostitution place, sure you can no doubt hunt it out and its quite likely someone will report you to the police or blackmail you, but its not on the streets at all

I don't think anyone is portraying Pattaya as some sort of place where there are big "SEXY PRETEEN BOYS" neon signs or anything. I was also critical of the accusations of pedophilia against Bruce Wagner, until he decided to lie about what he did and didn't write in a thread about seducing virgins for 500 baht.

I understand that there is another side to Pattaya, but the fact remains, incidents of child prostitution are much higher in parts of Asia.  Pattaya is known for being a 'prostitution paradise'. And where there's prostitution, there's child prostitution. Hotel staff in Pattaya are specifically trained to warn guests that its illegal, and there are many Pattaya-specific outreach programs for the children that end up there.

And just because you don't personally witness something doesn't mean it isn't rampant. Do you frequent sex clubs, or just the streets? Are you a western tourist, or a local?

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September 06, 2011, 11:18:18 PM
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all i know is that in 5 years I have seen no sign of it, prostitutes, yes Ive seen thousands, child prostitutes, not one so far


No child prostitutes? What about "really short" prostitutes?
yes, there are short ones, the thing is, I dont care, all Im saying it that its a myth to portray pattaya as some kind of child prostitution place, sure you can no doubt hunt it out and its quite likely someone will report you to the police or blackmail you, but its not on the streets at all

I don't think anyone is portraying Pattaya as some sort of place where there are big "SEXY PRETEEN BOYS" neon signs or anything. I was also critical of the accusations of pedophilia against Bruce Wagner, until he decided to lie about what he did and didn't write in a thread about seducing virgins for 500 baht.

I understand that there is another side to Pattaya, but the fact remains, incidents of child prostitution are much higher in parts of Asia.  Pattaya is known for being a 'prostitution paradise'. And where there's prostitution, there's child prostitution. Hotel staff in Pattaya are specifically trained to warn guests that its illegal, and there are many Pattaya-specific outreach programs for the children that end up there.

And just because you don't personally witness something doesn't mean it isn't rampant. Do you frequent sex clubs, or just the streets? Are you a western tourist, or a local?


I cant say I have ever noticed 2000 kids on the streets like that article claims, maybe going to and from school but not wondering round selling stuff. Im not saying child prostitution  doesnt happen, Im just saying that its no more common in pattaya then in many western cities. it may well be more common amongst the thais but on the streets and in the sex clubs of pattaya where most westerners go you dont see children selling sex or even looking remotely like they may be available for sex.
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September 06, 2011, 11:28:59 PM
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jongood, which one are you?  Huh

This guy?
http://i.imgur.com/MsPRd.jpg

Or this chap?
http://i.imgur.com/AZgDZ.jpg

Perhaps this gent?
http://i.imgur.com/Ynox3.jpg

This fellow?
http://i.imgur.com/4JsN5.jpg

This farang familiar?
http://i.imgur.com/IJzeN.jpg

This feller?
http://i.imgur.com/CYiuP.jpg

Hiding behind your glasses?
http://i.imgur.com/n54fg.jpg

Just admiring the goods?
http://i.imgur.com/NB54L.jpg

Heading back to yours?
http://i.imgur.com/mtPEW.jpg

Chilling on the couch?
http://i.imgur.com/vEYIx.jpg

Or possibly even?
http://i.imgur.com/u0aEp.jpg

In conclusion, Pattaya isn't a seedy place at all, why do you people keep going on about it
http://i.imgur.com/59b2I.jpg

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