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September 02, 2011, 01:09:24 AM
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I have solved it! It was most puzzling to me why people are insistent about Bruce Wagner being a huge bitcoin scammer man when clearly he denies any wrongdoing. It is clearly case of misunderstanding of mistaken identity. If you go to facebook.com and search for "Bruce Wagner" (I believe you need an account for this. But I am not sure.)... You will see that there are many "Bruce Wagners" living in the United States. This leads me to believe that Bruce Wagner is a common name. Perhaps you are confusing him with another gentleman?

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September 02, 2011, 01:13:23 AM
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I have solved it! It was most puzzling to me why people are insistent about Bruce Wagner being a huge bitcoin scammer man when clearly he denies any wrongdoing. It is clearly case of misunderstanding of mistaken identity. If you go to facebook.com and search for "Bruce Wagner" (I believe you need an account for this. But I am not sure.)... You will see that there are many "Bruce Wagners" living in the United States. This leads me to believe that Bruce Wagner is a common name. Perhaps you are confusing him with another gentleman?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40404.0

He has already admitted to running one scam. 

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September 02, 2011, 01:50:34 AM
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I have solved it! It was most puzzling to me why people are insistent about Bruce Wagner being a huge bitcoin scammer man when clearly he denies any wrongdoing. It is clearly case of misunderstanding of mistaken identity. If you go to facebook.com and search for "Bruce Wagner" (I believe you need an account for this. But I am not sure.)... You will see that there are many "Bruce Wagners" living in the United States. This leads me to believe that Bruce Wagner is a common name. Perhaps you are confusing him with another gentleman?

Bruce already posted a thread on the forum admitting it's him.

He then makes a bunch of excuses about "how it happened", though of course the judge rejected those excuses because there was evidence disproving them presented to the court.

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September 02, 2011, 02:06:59 AM
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I don't understand the legalese stuff, but it comes from here:

http://mortgagefraud.squarespace.com/storage/bold%20funding%20final%20judgement.pdf

It's called a "Permanent Injunction and Judgement", what does that mean?

Judgement here I think means a decision against the defendant (Bold Funding) and permanent injunction just means ban from doing that specific type of business, permanently. Injunction is basically "stop what you're doing right now."

By the way, notice that document says "Default Judgement." That means that the suit brought against them was uncontested, and they lost by default (like sports teams who don't show up to compete). Not sure why it went that way

You don't have to be a lawyer to understand that your client shouldn't try to defend himself in an unwinnable case.

If you bother to read all the court filings, Bruce tried but it was stricken from the record for some reason.

His first legal team also withdrew.

If you look at the judgement, the fine for his unethical business practices was double the amount he had to pay back to his victims. Undoubtedly this would have been lower had some of the charges been defended. It would not be hard to argue against the charge that Bold Funding "had no intention of providing services" if there was any merit to Bruce's side of the story.
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September 02, 2011, 02:17:52 AM
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Thanks guys for the more detailed analysis of the case paper.

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September 02, 2011, 09:53:10 AM
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...I consider a conviction in a court of law overwhelming evidence...

Wow.  How can anyone possibly believe this, even for a brief brain-fart moment?

That's a rhetorical question, no need to answer.

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September 02, 2011, 01:02:21 PM
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...I consider a conviction in a court of law overwhelming evidence...

Wow.  How can anyone possibly believe this, even for a brief brain-fart moment?

That's a rhetorical question, no need to answer.

A rational human?
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September 02, 2011, 01:03:00 PM
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...I consider a conviction in a court of law overwhelming evidence...

Wow.  How can anyone possibly believe this, even for a brief brain-fart moment?

That's a rhetorical question, no need to answer.

A rational human?


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September 02, 2011, 11:21:33 PM
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Yes, that sounds like a legitimate business simply "gone awry". It's perfectly normal to lie about who you are, how long you've been in operation, how many staff you have, what qualifications they have, and how many offices you have. It's perfectly normal to not provide evidence of a *single* customer receiving help.



On the flip side, what single piece of evidence is there that the scam story *doesn't* match up, besides Bruce "Child sex doesn't happen in Pattaya" Wagner's continuous web of lies?

Epic catch, even forgetting the ellipses, misplaced quotes and stupid copyediting errors.

Shall I post my own Bruce dossier? Hmmm... Perhaps I shall... Meanwhile, this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40417.msg498699#msg498699

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September 02, 2011, 11:26:37 PM
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Yep we have on our hands successful character assassination. Or was it suicide?

One thing I know for sure: I will not be calling BW when they come to repossess my house.

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September 02, 2011, 11:28:59 PM
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Yep we have on our hand successful character assassination. Or was it suicide?

One thing I know for sure: I will not be calling BW when they come to repossess my house.




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September 02, 2011, 11:32:37 PM
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Yep we have on our hands successful character assassination. Or was it suicide?

It was assisted suicide. We're all supporting Kevorkian this week.

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September 03, 2011, 01:24:49 AM
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This: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1orWPXoft3jOGWvXumlbUsdqswlbVu8RNDbQ3jfpEGTw

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September 03, 2011, 02:07:54 AM
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This may be odd coming from someone like myself, but this seems like a bit ... much?

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September 03, 2011, 02:13:16 AM
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Did I ... mention ...that I ...had a day to... waste?

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September 03, 2011, 02:15:45 AM
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Did I ... mention ...that I ...had a day to... waste?

No. You just mentioned all the reasons Bruce is the worst thing we could have ever possibly had attached to Bitcoin in the public eye.

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September 03, 2011, 02:36:16 AM
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Did I ... mention ...that I ...had a day to... waste?

No. You just mentioned all the reasons Bruce is the worst thing we could have ever possibly had attached to Bitcoin in the public eye.

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September 03, 2011, 02:41:58 AM
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Did I ... mention ...that I ...had a day to... waste?

No. You just mentioned all the reasons Bruce is the worst thing we could have ever possibly had attached to Bitcoin in the public eye.

Oh, that.

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September 03, 2011, 03:56:47 AM
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Wow, you know, I think I can trust, or be comfortable with knowing how much to trust, someone I know so much about, than some random person on the web... still kinda creepy though.

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September 03, 2011, 10:42:46 PM
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Did I ... mention ...that I ...had a day to... waste?

No, I mean things like addresses, DOB, shit like that.
It's just creepy man.

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