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September 04, 2011, 06:14:48 AM
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He didn't intentionally send the amount that got sent . It was an error.

So what?  He sent it.  What happened to personal responsibility?  If you want to be able to chargeback for mistakes use a credit card.  This is bitcoin, not whatever socialist economy you love.  Go ahead and let your big government get involved in bitcoin, in a month all the amazing innovation here will be gone and squashed by regulation and uncertainty.  

If we reward every incompetent coder who thinks they should run an exchange and get a bailout when they mess up there is no advantage to being competent.  It all goes back to the lowest common denominator, every parasite will try and latch on to bitcoin so they can make whatever mistakes they want and pay no cost.  

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September 04, 2011, 06:25:45 AM
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Go ahead and let your big government get involved in bitcoin, in a month all the amazing innovation here will be gone and squashed by regulation and uncertainty.

Don't confuse morality with legality. It should definitely be considered legal to keep BTC that was accidentally sent to you but it shouldn't be considered moral.
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September 04, 2011, 06:32:23 AM
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Go ahead and let your big government get involved in bitcoin, in a month all the amazing innovation here will be gone and squashed by regulation and uncertainty.

Don't confuse morality with legality. It should definitely be considered legal to keep BTC that was accidentally sent to you but it shouldn't be considered moral.

Greed, for lack of a better word, is good.

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September 04, 2011, 06:37:20 AM
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He didn't intentionally send the amount that got sent . It was an error.

So what?  He sent it.  If you want to be able to chargeback for mistakes use a credit card.  This is bitcoin, not whatever socialist economy you love.  Go ahead and let your big government get involved in bitcoin, in a month all the amazing innovation here will be gone and squashed by regulation and uncertainty.  

If we reward every incompetent coder who thinks they should run an exchange and get a bailout when they mess up there is no advantage to being competent.  It all goes back to the lowest common denominator, every parasite will try and latch on to bitcoin so they can make whatever mistakes they want and pay no cost.   

I have never seen so many red herrings in one statement.
What did you do take the Frank Lutz's Course on Inflammatory buzzwords?
Pathetic word cloud this is.....
Chargeback, socialist,your big government, bailout, regulation, uncertainty, reward incompetence, parasite.




You equating return of mistakenly delivered property to a bailout? You are fucked in the head. The bailout was a 3rd party that was a stranger to the transaction's money you dolt.



Second thing Bitcoin isn't make believe credit money. Acquiring them takes depletion of real world resources and work. It isn't imply a bunch of key strokes.

Pray tell what kind of innovation is larceny? Even if credit cards didn't do chargebacks you could still recover your money  sent by mistake. It's been that way for 4000 years.

Enough of your bullshit rhetoric. You trying to justify theft and injustice plain and simple.

I'm absolutely aghast that you tried to stereotype me in that way. Why don't you google my nick.


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September 04, 2011, 06:42:06 AM
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It's not legal, moral or lawful.

It's definitely immoral but not everything that's immoral should be illegal. It should be legal because there was no aggression or fraud committed.
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September 04, 2011, 06:46:23 AM
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I'm not even sure what to think anymore.  Bruce definitely seems a little off, but I also don't like this mob-trial thing that's going on here.  I mean, come on, the guy was such a cheerleader for the whole community.... doesn't he get a bit of benefit of the doubt?  I think MTGOX has a good point: the justice system caught him doing whatever he was doing and it WORKED, so the problem is fixed now.  Justice has been served so we can go back to trusting him.

You do realise that nobody has been able to find evidence that Bruce actually paid amount awarded against him in the Bolding Funding judgement and that Bruce himself didn't claim to have paid the judgement in the posts he made about Bold Funding.  I wouldn't consider the matter "fixed" or justice served until every last cent of that judgement has been paid.  And that's not even taking into account the current legal proceedings against him in New York.

Whether or not people give Bruce the benefit of the doubt again after everything that's come to light is their personal choice, but I don't think it's valid to argue that they should do so just because he's been a Bitcoin cheerleader.




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September 04, 2011, 06:47:12 AM
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Illegal and unlawful are 2 different things.
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September 04, 2011, 06:47:22 AM
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You are fucked in the head. The bailout was a 3rd party that was a stranger to the transaction's money you dolt.

Just say it, stop beating around the bush.  You want the government to regulate and control bitcoin transactions.  A 4000 year history?  Where did you get it from, Das Kapital?

...then you should know that this history just leads to more and more government control until Stalinism and bank bailouts and auto bailouts are the only way you know how to do business.

Just once we have a chance to start over and do it right and let the free market work its magic and you want to throw it all away before it even begins because some spectacularly huge moron gave his money away because of incompetent code and now wants a do-over?  Amazing.

I don't want your job killing government takeover to control my destiny, ration my healthcare, and put a death tax on my bitcoins.  No way.

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September 04, 2011, 06:52:53 AM
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Illegal and unlawful are 2 different things.

Can you link me to a dictionary that will explain the difference? My Oxford English Dictionary disagrees with you.
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September 04, 2011, 06:56:47 AM
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I'm not even sure what to think anymore.  Bruce definitely seems a little off, but I also don't like this mob-trial thing that's going on here.  I mean, come on, the guy was such a cheerleader for the whole community.... doesn't he get a bit of benefit of the doubt?  I think MTGOX has a good point: the justice system caught him doing whatever he was doing and it WORKED, so the problem is fixed now.  Justice has been served so we can go back to trusting him.

No we can't, because his most recent case of being caught was much more recent than 2004. He's got an active case against him and he lost that one, and hasn't paid the amount ordered.

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September 04, 2011, 06:58:41 AM
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Illegal and unlawful are 2 different things.

Can you link me to a dictionary that will explain the difference? My Oxford English Dictionary disagrees with you.

The "English for Bruce's Accomplices and Shills" dictionary isn't linkable, it's just in the minds of a handful of criminals, trolls, and total morons.

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September 04, 2011, 07:53:29 AM
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Illegal and unlawful are 2 different things.

Can you link me to a dictionary that will explain the difference? My Oxford English Dictionary disagrees with you.

Lawyers like to use a lot of "terms of art" .The dictionary and common meaning is almost never the legal meaning.

For instance, attorney comes from the word attorner. Attorner means to turn someones loyalties to another master. Sure explains how they behave doesn't it?

Anyway , here's the definition of Lawful from Judicial and Statutory Words and Phrases.

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September 04, 2011, 08:04:34 AM
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You are fucked in the head. The bailout was a 3rd party that was a stranger to the transaction's money you dolt.

Just say it, stop beating around the bush.  You want the government to regulate and control bitcoin transactions.  A 4000 year history?  Where did you get it from, Das Kapital?

...then you should know that this history just leads to more and more government control until Stalinism and bank bailouts and auto bailouts are the only way you know how to do business.

Just once we have a chance to start over and do it right and let the free market work its magic and you want to throw it all away before it even begins because some spectacularly huge moron gave his money away because of incompetent code and now wants a do-over?  Amazing.

I don't want your job killing government takeover to control my destiny, ration my healthcare, and put a death tax on my bitcoins.  No way.


Another red herring? Is that all you have are logical fallacies? No where in the annals of human history has "Finders Keepers , Loosers Weepers prevailed as law.
On top of that,every reply you've posted is a non sequitur.
Suing for unjust enrichment = Stalinism? Go back to Mars. While your at it,
try to have an original thought before your brain atrophy's and dies will ya.
Someone needs to cut your pull string.
 

BTW I'm not replying to you anymore. I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
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September 04, 2011, 08:08:35 AM
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Another red herring? Is that all you have are logical fallacies? No where in the annals of human history has "Finders Keepers , Loosers Weepers prevailed as law.

Hardly finder, this is receivers keeper.  Once you make one excuse to allow the government to steal back bitcoins there will be ten more excuses ready to go.  Is that the future you want, Obama taking bitcoins to pay for communist universal healthcare?  Now is the time to take a stand.  Let the government have their phony paper money and leave the real value to the market.

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September 04, 2011, 08:17:01 AM
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Illegal and unlawful are 2 different things.

Can you link me to a dictionary that will explain the difference? My Oxford English Dictionary disagrees with you.

Lawyers like to use a lot of "terms of art" .The dictionary and common meaning is almost never the legal meaning.

For instance, attorney comes from the word attorner. Attorner means to turn someones loyalties to another master. Sure explains how they behave doesn't it?

Anyway , here's the definition of Lawful from Judicial and Statutory Words and Phrases.



Alright, thanks for clarifying.

If unlawful means something is unethical then let's just use that word instead since it's less confusing to us non-lawyers.

Cheating on your partner is unethical and immoral but it shouldn't be illegal.
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September 04, 2011, 08:18:10 AM
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It's definitely immoral but not everything that's immoral should be illegal. It should be legal because there was no aggression or fraud committed.

Like when a retarded guy steals a car. He didn't mean to be a dick, so he gets to keep it. This is just like what happened to my Chevy Caprice.
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September 04, 2011, 09:32:01 AM
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It's definitely immoral but not everything that's immoral should be illegal. It should be legal because there was no aggression or fraud committed.

Like when a retarded guy steals a car. He didn't mean to be a dick, so he gets to keep it. This is just like what happened to my Chevy Caprice.

Uh, no. I'm not implying that intentions have anything to do with whether or not something is illegal. In fact, intentions weren't even part of the discussion. My point is, cheating on your partner is immoral. If we were to make everything that's immoral also illegal, we would be sending people to prison for cheating on their partners. Clearly, some things are immoral but even still, they shouldn't be illegal. The justice system isn't supposed to be the morality police.

Legality and morality are separate issues that don't entirely coincide
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September 04, 2011, 09:40:29 AM
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It's definitely immoral but not everything that's immoral should be illegal. It should be legal because there was no aggression or fraud committed.

Like when a retarded guy steals a car. He didn't mean to be a dick, so he gets to keep it. This is just like what happened to my Chevy Caprice.

Uh, no. I'm not implying that intentions have anything to do with whether or not something is illegal. In fact, intentions weren't even part of the discussion. My point is, cheating on your partner is immoral. If we were to make everything that's immoral also illegal, we would be sending people to prison for cheating on their partners. Clearly, some things are immoral but even still, they shouldn't be illegal. The justice system isn't supposed to be the morality police.

Legality and morality are separate issues that don't entirely coincide

You said this before, can you give us examples of things you believe are immoral but are legal and things you believe are not immoral but are illegal?
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September 04, 2011, 02:48:42 PM
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abortion, anonymous direct corporate funding of political campaigns. 

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September 04, 2011, 02:51:05 PM
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abortion, anonymous direct corporate funding of political campaigns. 

What's wrong with abortion? 

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