SaltySpitoon
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January 12, 2014, 02:36:10 PM |
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You mean you can safely say that 80% of those names are hidden behind a VPN/Proxy.
No, I can safely say 80% of those accounts are not crumbs, and the other 20% could be safely hidden behind a VPN/Proxy. I'm not actually as stupid as I look, its not often that people change what languages they speak fluently, nor their speech patterns in english. |
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Bargraphics
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January 12, 2014, 02:43:21 PM |
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You mean you can safely say that 80% of those names are hidden behind a VPN/Proxy.
No, I can safely say 80% of those accounts are not crumbs, and the other 20% could be safely hidden behind a VPN/Proxy. I'm not actually as stupid as I look, its not often that people change what languages they speak fluently, nor their speech patterns in english. Ok I'll humor you, These new accounts pop up and go directly for the ActM Thread and literally post the same pictures and use very similar words as crumbs that isn't enough? I don't believe anyone is saying that you are stupid but I do believe that some things that are obvious are being overlooked. Edit: Regardless if it is crumbs or not, I was under the impression that this type of behavior is why he was banned so I can't imagine why you would let these unique individuals to go and have their second/third/fourth posts repeat his process and not get a similar outcome. |
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SaltySpitoon
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January 12, 2014, 02:59:58 PM |
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Ok I'll humor you,
These new accounts pop up and go directly for the ActM Thread and literally post the same pictures and use very similar words as crumbs that isn't enough?
I don't believe anyone is saying that you are stupid but I do believe that some things that are obvious are being overlooked.
There are a multitude of different parties that have been banned in the ActM thread, Crumbs is not the only one. It could be any of them, or it could be a totally unrelated person. Crumbs to my knowledge does not speak the languages that some of those people you listed did, and why would he make 15 new accounts? A few of those people on your list I have known for a while, so I'm also reasonably sure they are not crumbs as well. There are a few people on your list that I have no idea about, however this isn't a wild goose chase. If it is crumbs, he will make a mistake and will be banned then. I'm not going to spend hours per day running around in a circle investigating every person that posts in that thread. If I see similar trends between an account and crumbs, I investigate further. I have seen the posts that those people are making, and that people are reporting. More than a handful are well thought out and reasonable, and then people start calling them "crumbs" to discredit their ideas. I'm not going to play into the debate about Activemining because I have no stake in it, nor any opinion on the matter. I'm not going to humor the opposition nor the pro Activemining people by taking out those that are against it. I honestly don't care if people want to insult Activemining, call it a scam, or whatever. As long as they can post in a way that can be responded to (IE used as conversation) I don't care. People can defend their own stances. I'm not here to ban the "trolls" in the activemining thread, because those that are being called that and the ones calling them that in the first place are pretty much a wash on that account. If special exceptions weren't made for that thread, nearly every single person there would be sacked by now, because its abhorrent how people act there. But, it is a self moderated thread, so Ken is free to do what he wishes, and people have serious financial stakes in the matter, so it is going to inspire more emotional posting than other topics. |
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Bargraphics
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January 12, 2014, 03:27:19 PM
Last edit: January 12, 2014, 03:41:59 PM by Bargraphics |
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Ok I'll humor you,
These new accounts pop up and go directly for the ActM Thread and literally post the same pictures and use very similar words as crumbs that isn't enough?
I don't believe anyone is saying that you are stupid but I do believe that some things that are obvious are being overlooked.
There are a multitude of different parties that have been banned in the ActM thread, Crumbs is not the only one. It could be any of them, or it could be a totally unrelated person. Crumbs to my knowledge does not speak the languages that some of those people you listed did, and why would he make 15 new accounts? A few of those people on your list I have known for a while, so I'm also reasonably sure they are not crumbs as well. There are a few people on your list that I have no idea about, however this isn't a wild goose chase. If it is crumbs, he will make a mistake and will be banned then. I'm not going to spend hours per day running around in a circle investigating every person that posts in that thread. If I see similar trends between an account and crumbs, I investigate further. I have seen the posts that those people are making, and that people are reporting. More than a handful are well thought out and reasonable, and then people start calling them "crumbs" to discredit their ideas. I'm not going to play into the debate about Activemining because I have no stake in it, nor any opinion on the matter. I'm not going to humor the opposition nor the pro Activemining people by taking out those that are against it. I honestly don't care if people want to insult Activemining, call it a scam, or whatever. As long as they can post in a way that can be responded to (IE used as conversation) I don't care. People can defend their own stances. I'm not here to ban the "trolls" in the activemining thread, because those that are being called that and the ones calling them that in the first place are pretty much a wash on that account. If special exceptions weren't made for that thread, nearly every single person there would be sacked by now, because its abhorrent how people act there. But, it is a self moderated thread, so Ken is free to do what he wishes, and people have serious financial stakes in the matter, so it is going to inspire more emotional posting than other topics. Fair enough, Although it is confusing that you have known a few of these people for a while considering all of them have made their accounts within the past month (most closer to the days following crumbs ban). I don't believe anyone is asking you to go on a wild goose chase, but when you have the following posts it should make it obvious. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg4347959#msg4347959https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg4277189#msg4277189https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg4415914#msg4415914As far as the other accounts, I guess as long as they stop using the images they are alright hmm. Edit: Also I know that some of the accounts on that list are already banned. |
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January 12, 2014, 04:28:45 PM |
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ACTM thread is a mess still. I am willing to bet that it is the most troublesome thread out of this whole forum.
Quite funny 1 person keeps all the mods so busy
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SaltySpitoon
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January 12, 2014, 05:19:53 PM |
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A few people on that list I know are alts of other people, and to me the posts just look like they are frustrated with who I will explain a bit further down in my post. There are two sides in the activemining thread. The naysayers and the supporters. The naysayers have two sects, the reasonable ones that aire their concerns, and the ones that just want to be annoying. The supporters have two sects as well. The ones that reply to the reasonable naysayer's concerns, and the annoying ones that just call everyone that has a question or concern crumbs. When the annoying naysayers and the annoying supporters converse, it ends up in pages of spam which results in all parties involved getting punished. (Crumbs, StuartUK, etc) Now there are also the other combinations that are bad, which involves any reasonable side and an annoying opposition which results in slightly fewer pages of spam, but its still bad. In those cases, the offenders alone are punish, and the reasonable and now frustrated party is left alone. As of late, it is getting worse to the point where it is either leave the thread to its own devices, or get rid of everyone involved. To get rid of everyone involved would be unfair, as many people in that thread only post poorly there and no where else, triggered by the annoying ones of either side. To get rid of no one means nothing changes, and to only target the "trolls" means to get rid of the "trolls" and those calling them "trolls" is essentially the first senario of getting rid of everyone. |
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Bargraphics
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January 12, 2014, 06:50:46 PM |
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A few people on that list I know are alts of other people, and to me the posts just look like they are frustrated with who I will explain a bit further down in my post. There are two sides in the activemining thread. The naysayers and the supporters. The naysayers have two sects, the reasonable ones that aire their concerns, and the ones that just want to be annoying. The supporters have two sects as well. The ones that reply to the reasonable naysayer's concerns, and the annoying ones that just call everyone that has a question or concern crumbs. When the annoying naysayers and the annoying supporters converse, it ends up in pages of spam which results in all parties involved getting punished. (Crumbs, StuartUK, etc) Now there are also the other combinations that are bad, which involves any reasonable side and an annoying opposition which results in slightly fewer pages of spam, but its still bad. In those cases, the offenders alone are punish, and the reasonable and now frustrated party is left alone. As of late, it is getting worse to the point where it is either leave the thread to its own devices, or get rid of everyone involved. To get rid of everyone involved would be unfair, as many people in that thread only post poorly there and no where else, triggered by the annoying ones of either side. To get rid of no one means nothing changes, and to only target the "trolls" means to get rid of the "trolls" and those calling them "trolls" is essentially the first senario of getting rid of everyone. I understand, For the record I was also extremely happy with the bans on both sides including StuartUK/Zumzero. It looks as if they have calmed down mostly. |
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Bargraphics
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February 20, 2014, 03:09:22 PM
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VinceSamios
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February 20, 2014, 04:18:57 PM |
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Each of these accounts literally posts the same thing one after another. Exactly the same thing, at the same time, just different accounts.
Either a "ban from thread" option or ban these guys. They are making the forum unusable.
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BadBear
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February 20, 2014, 05:27:02 PM |
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Doesn't matter, they can just make a new account and be back to posting in that thread in less than a minute.
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Bargraphics
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February 20, 2014, 06:36:12 PM |
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Doesn't matter, they can just make a new account and be back to posting in that thread in less than a minute.
Yet you (or one of the other mods) banned an account that tried to troll their thread using the same tactics? Double standards. Actually they only did 6 posts (Contrary to the Hundreds that these guys are doing to warrant that ban. And no, the account that did that did not belong to me nor do I condone such actions as everyone involved in doing that should be banned. |
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February 20, 2014, 06:39:21 PM |
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I've also banned a dozen of crumbs accounts at least, but think what you want. I don't know what account/thread you're referring to.
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Bargraphics
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February 20, 2014, 06:40:43 PM |
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I've also banned a dozen of crumbs accounts at least, but think what you want. I don't know what account/thread you're referring to.
That's why I edited it to say that "One of the mods" is not banning these accounts. Not specifically you, sorry if it came off that way. I'll try to make it more clear. |
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February 21, 2014, 12:15:50 PM |
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Bargraphics:
You're correct in some of your assertions. I was tired of your fellow "investors" insisting I was Eduardo de Castro, and it was simpler to make this account than to argue.
You're also an alt, created to shill for Terrahash. You have now deleted the bulk of your posts, but the interweb nevar forgets. In your earliest remaining post, "[WTS] Terrahash DX-Large 180 GH w/ PSU - First Batch (June 19, 2013, 08:36:02 PM)," made just 19 days after you created this account, you unload your Terrahash preorder. Speaks volumes, as do all of the Terrahash and now Active Mining posts.
Now you're upset that people are making it difficult for you to apply the same template to your new boss "investment" -- Active Mining.
What you fail to understand is how the internet works: Your lulzy spins on the Active Mining fiasco, your invite-only #actm chan and the series of started and abandoned self-moderated threads have backfired, and now you're experiencing the Streisand Effect.
As much as I'd love to ban your ilk not just from this forum, but from Bitcoin as a whole, I realize that running to authorities is not an option. Instead, I'm going to continue making this place as inhospitable to both scammers and their victims. Though cruel, it's the right chemo to rid Bitcoin of this disgusting cancer.
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