Mining Machines

[phazon307]

I will be getting a bit of money here soon from income tax and other services and I need to know what is the possible best miner without scam without wait that I could get? How much and how many GH/s. Thanks in advance.

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[Blaater]

I will be getting a bit of money here soon from income tax and other services and I need to know what is the possible best miner without scam without wait that I could get? How much and how many GH/s. Thanks in advance.

Antminer 200 gh/s miners I think? 200 GH/s and delivery in 1 week.

Other then that you will have to get in line.

[clenell]

I will be getting a bit of money here soon from income tax and other services and I need to know what is the possible best miner without scam without wait that I could get? How much and how many GH/s. Thanks in advance.

Antminer 200 gh/s miners I think? 200 GH/s and delivery in 1 week.

Other then that you will have to get in line.

how much are the 200gh?

[goxed]

I will be getting a bit of money here soon from income tax and other services and I need to know what is the possible best miner without scam without wait that I could get? How much and how many GH/s. Thanks in advance.

Antminer 200 gh/s miners I think? 200 GH/s and delivery in 1 week.

Other then that you will have to get in line.

how much are the 200gh?

AZ, USA based seller.
ninjatech.org 3.1BTC ea
also https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=377632.0

[undeadbitcoiner]

I will be getting a bit of money here soon from income tax and other services and I need to know what is the possible best miner without scam without wait that I could get? How much and how many GH/s. Thanks in advance.

Before someone actually answer your Questions
1 . What are you thinking to mine? Litecoin or Litecoin based coins or Bitcoin or Bitcoin based?
2. How much are you thinking in Investing?

There are different miners and different algo needed, what is your requirement or what are you thinking to mine so that will be better for us to answer you.
Good Luck

[clarkey2013]

BFL.....oh wait   

[empoweoqwj]

I will be getting a bit of money here soon from income tax and other services and I need to know what is the possible best miner without scam without wait that I could get? How much and how many GH/s. Thanks in advance.

What are you looking to mine?

To be honest, there is lot of hash power coming online in next few months, you might be better off just buying bitcoins instead. You could easily lose money mining, especially if its bitcoins.

[phazon307]

Sha256 coins looking to spend about $1,500 why would I buy two bitcoins when I could always use that money to buy a miner and earn more than that in a couple months?. Then after I get another 1,500 I am going to buy a scrypt mining rig.

[empoweoqwj]

Sha256 coins looking to spend about $1,500 why would I buy two bitcoins when I could always use that money to buy a miner and earn more than that in a couple months?. Then after I get another 1,500 I am going to buy a scrypt mining rig.

You think you will get your money back from mining in a couple of months? OK, carry on ....

[CoinHoarder]

Don't buy Bitcoin ASICs, you won't get anywhere near the amount of BTC you would get by simply buying BTC. I've tried BFL, Avalon, Bitfury, KNC... ALL of them have not (and likely will not) break even. KNC/Bitfury is the lesser of the evil ASIC companies.. at least they shipped somewhat on time even though they shipped a half working product (KNC) and a very unstable product (Bitfury). Stay away from HashFast (2+ months late) and VMC (already late and not even close to shipping.. still in design stage) too... they are shady and possibly outright scams.

Don't get suckered in on a pre-order of mining hardware. If you are going to buy an ASIC, only buy one that is in stock and shipping with minimal delay.

[empoweoqwj]

Don't buy Bitcoin ASICs, you won't get anywhere near the amount of BTC you would get by simply buying BTC. I've tried BFL, Avalon, Bitfury, KNC... ALL of them have not (and likely will not) break even. KNC/Bitfury is the lesser of the evil ASIC companies.. at least they shipped somewhat on time even though they shipped a half working product (KNC) and a very unstable product (Bitfury). Stay away from HashFast (2+ months late) and VMC (already late and not even close to shipping.. still in design stage) too.

Don't get suckered in on a pre-order of mining hardware. If you are going to buy an ASIC, only buy one that is in stock and shipping with minimal delay.

Listen to the voice of experience from CoinHoarder!

[Flying Hellfish]

Don't buy Bitcoin ASICs, you won't get anywhere near the amount of BTC you would get by simply buying BTC. I've tried BFL, Avalon, Bitfury, KNC... ALL of them have not (and likely will not) break even. KNC/Bitfury is the lesser of the evil ASIC companies.. at least they shipped somewhat on time even though they shipped a half working product (KNC) and a very unstable product (Bitfury). Stay away from HashFast (2+ months late) and VMC (already late and not even close to shipping.. still in design stage) too... they are shady and possibly outright scams.

Don't get suckered in on a pre-order of mining hardware. If you are going to buy an ASIC, only buy one that is in stock and shipping with minimal delay.

You can shut this thread down now, the man said it perfectly.  So far history tells us that for all but a very select few no machines have returned more BTC than they cost or the BTC that could have been bought and held instead. 

Exponential hash rate increase is not slowing down for a few months at least.  We have barely hit the tip of the iceberg in terms of number of PH's hitting the network on a weekly/monthly basis.

[phazon307]

This is what poster above doesn't understand if I spent 1,500 and got at least 1 BTC in one month and 3 btc over the next year.let's use real math you can get a good 100GH off sellers on ebay which is the way I would go that way if they are a scam or shady service I can get my money back. I would have about 4 BTC at the end of the year and if it skyrockets like it did this Christmas which I am sure it will do next Christmas I would have doubled my money.

[phazon307]

Or I could just buy a Script mining machine and mine the crap out of alt coins and trade em for BTC? what is the better option scrypt or sha256?

[empoweoqwj]

Or I could just buy a Script mining machine and mine the crap out of alt coins and trade em for BTC? what is the better option scrypt or sha256?

Well you aren't going to make money from bitcoin in the coming months if you have no hardware now so the choice is pretty obvious.

[ujka]

This is what poster above doesn't understand if I spent 1,500 and got at least 1 BTC in one month and 3 btc over the next year.let's use real math you can get a good 100GH off sellers on ebay which is the way I would go that way if they are a scam or shady service I can get my money back. I would have about 4 BTC at the end of the year and if it skyrockets like it did this Christmas which I am sure it will do next Christmas I would have doubled my money.

OK, 100GH miner would probably mine you 1 BTC in next month, but from then on, maybe another BTC or 1.5 BTC. And you have to substract electricity, fees...
Not worth the time and effort. IMHO.

[empoweoqwj]

This is what poster above doesn't understand if I spent 1,500 and got at least 1 BTC in one month and 3 btc over the next year.let's use real math you can get a good 100GH off sellers on ebay which is the way I would go that way if they are a scam or shady service I can get my money back. I would have about 4 BTC at the end of the year and if it skyrockets like it did this Christmas which I am sure it will do next Christmas I would have doubled my money.

But that is just your vision, your dream of what will happen. Do you know how much network difficulty is likely to increase in the next 6 months with bitcoin. Its going to be massive. Of course bitcoin could go to $5K whilst you are mining, but again, it might well not.

Up to you dude. All I know is miners are not looking forward to this Spring re: network hash rate

[Flying Hellfish]

This is what poster above doesn't understand if I spent 1,500 and got at least 1 BTC in one month and 3 btc over the next year.let's use real math you can get a good 100GH off sellers on ebay which is the way I would go that way if they are a scam or shady service I can get my money back. I would have about 4 BTC at the end of the year and if it skyrockets like it did this Christmas which I am sure it will do next Christmas I would have doubled my money.

Believe me mate I understand the maths behind it VERY well.  Lets use some real maths shall we.  CH a veteran miner with miners in hand and actual data on BTC ROI is telling you on all the machines he bought he would have had more BTC in hand by buying and holding than mining, and if you want more real maths historical data has shown buying and holding has been significantly more profitable for 99.9% of miners than buying a miner and mining.  That's the real maths mate, I don't really care if you want to ignore them for your made up pie in the sky numbers.  100gh/s plugged into the network has roughly a 0% chance of mining 4 BTC by X-MAS next year let alone it's entire profitable lifetime...

[WinterParker]

Dont Listen to these guys.  There are 20 SHA256 coins you can mine, and 5 or 6 of them are usually more profitable to mine than Bitcoin itself.  That's what all these ROI police officers don't understand.  Week by week why the smart miners are still buying equipment when a good deal presents itself while at the same time these guys post comment after comment statistic after statistic about how much you'll lose mining with a one track mind...

[empoweoqwj]

Dont Listen to these guys.  There are 20 SHA256 coins you can mine, and 5 or 6 of them are usually more profitable to mine than Bitcoin itself.  That's what all these ROI police officers don't understand.  Week by week why the smart miners are still buying equipment when a good deal presents itself while at the same time these guys post comment after comment statistic after statistic about how much you'll lose mining with a one track mind...

That's what we kept saying. Don't mine bitcoin. Try reading the thread next time.

[phazon307]

That was my plan initially mine BTC for a little bit then start mining the other alt coins. I am not just planning on mining BTC I would probably just run it tell those new monsters come out and make the difficulty impossible and then switch to an alt. I keep telling people to get on Betacoin but nobody listens until it's to late.

[metroickha]

Because I think it is not really profitable to buy miners for bitcoins, I invested mining other coins.

A friend of mine did something much more profitable. He bought one BTC and started trading.
He bought for 600 euro and then sold for 650 euro. Then bought at 630 euro and sold at 645 euro.
Redo this trick a month long. He made 4,3 BTC out of 1 BTC. He was able to make about 80 euro every day.
If he continues like this, next month he could have 16 BTC.

[phazon307]

Yes that is a good idea but where do you trade this at? Who does he go through where does he buy btc from then get cash from same place? I planned on doing this as well.

[metroickha]

I am not sure probably bitstamp or mtgox. I use bitonic (the Netherlands). However it has a payment delay of one day. So if you have 6 coins, you should trade 3 maximum per day. If you do well enough you gain 80 euros a day. For me this is more than enough.

[phazon307]

Yea that's like having a full time Job.

[jermwerty]

...CH a veteran miner with miners in hand and actual data on BTC ROI is telling you on all the machines he bought he would have had more BTC in hand by buying and holding than mining, and if you want more real maths historical data has shown buying and holding has been significantly more profitable for 99.9% of miners than buying a miner and mining.

While nothing you said is incorrect as I too have been bitten by bad miner investments - the real killer CH referrs to has been preorders where you lock in a BTC/$ ratio early then get a miner much much later than promised ...

Sucks to spend over 100BTC on a BFL only for it to arrive nearly a year later and only mine a small fraction of that.  But if we would have all known the prices would go up by a few thousand % of course we would all have behaved very differently.

Buying in-hand miners that can ROI maybe 40days out (or less sometimes with altcoins as pointed out) is a much better idea, and if you can resell it (*cough* eBay) before it becomes too devalued it can provide a nice little extra profit.  But basically this comes down to:  importing/reselling can be more profitable than holding gear past its useful life, but then you are relying a greater fool to buy it down the road and accepting a lot of risk (paypal cracking down on BTC, freezing accounts, etc)...

[empoweoqwj]

I am not sure probably bitstamp or mtgox. I use bitonic (the Netherlands). However it has a payment delay of one day. So if you have 6 coins, you should trade 3 maximum per day. If you do well enough you gain 80 euros a day. For me this is more than enough.

Don't use gox. Sucks as almost everything. Can't get your money out. Very high transaction fees. Use other eXchange

[MANofthePEOPLE]

I am not sure probably bitstamp or mtgox. I use bitonic (the Netherlands). However it has a payment delay of one day. So if you have 6 coins, you should trade 3 maximum per day. If you do well enough you gain 80 euros a day. For me this is more than enough.

Don't use gox. Sucks as almost everything. Can't get your money out. Very high transaction fees. Use other eXchange

I see people saying this all the time but I wonder how much truth there is to it? With that volume surely everyone can't have problems with withdrawing. Regarding the fee's the seem to be the same on bitstamp?

[phazon307]

Paypal is cracking down on BTC are they retarded. That only leaves the opportunity for someone else to come along and create a paypal type system to sell and receive BTC. An ebay style way to sell all altcoins where people can bid on them then pay with a system. Offer refunds if people don't pay. I thought of it first so don't still my idea without funding my wallet . That would be cool as heck though if there was a system like that. That would protect both buyers and sellers of BTC it would have to be honest and fair. This way all those who are not scam artists will win

[empoweoqwj]

I am not sure probably bitstamp or mtgox. I use bitonic (the Netherlands). However it has a payment delay of one day. So if you have 6 coins, you should trade 3 maximum per day. If you do well enough you gain 80 euros a day. For me this is more than enough.

Don't use gox. Sucks as almost everything. Can't get your money out. Very high transaction fees. Use other eXchange

I see people saying this all the time but I wonder how much truth there is to it? With that volume surely everyone can't have problems with withdrawing. Regarding the fee's the seem to be the same on bitstamp?

If people say it all the time its quite likely to be true isn't it? Or do you think there is a massive conspiracy against gox?

[MANofthePEOPLE]

I am not sure probably bitstamp or mtgox. I use bitonic (the Netherlands). However it has a payment delay of one day. So if you have 6 coins, you should trade 3 maximum per day. If you do well enough you gain 80 euros a day. For me this is more than enough.

Don't use gox. Sucks as almost everything. Can't get your money out. Very high transaction fees. Use other eXchange

I see people saying this all the time but I wonder how much truth there is to it? With that volume surely everyone can't have problems with withdrawing. Regarding the fee's the seem to be the same on bitstamp?

If people say it all the time its quite likely to be true isn't it? Or do you think there is a massive conspiracy against gox?

Well I have been on forums long enough to know how things go. Have you been affected by it? The poster I quoted?

I'm not trying to defend mtgox, as a matter of fact I am gonna get verified on stamp or btc-e and trade there instead. It was a genuine question.

[empoweoqwj]

I am not sure probably bitstamp or mtgox. I use bitonic (the Netherlands). However it has a payment delay of one day. So if you have 6 coins, you should trade 3 maximum per day. If you do well enough you gain 80 euros a day. For me this is more than enough.

Don't use gox. Sucks as almost everything. Can't get your money out. Very high transaction fees. Use other eXchange

I see people saying this all the time but I wonder how much truth there is to it? With that volume surely everyone can't have problems with withdrawing. Regarding the fee's the seem to be the same on bitstamp?

If people say it all the time its quite likely to be true isn't it? Or do you think there is a massive conspiracy against gox?

Well I have been on forums long enough to know how things go. Have you been affected by it? The poster I quoted?

I'm not trying to defend mtgox, as a matter of fact I am gonna get verified on stamp or btc-e and trade there instead. It was a genuine question.

Have I been affected by gox's inability to withdraw fiat? Sure. That's why I've abandoned using them. That and they charge 0.60% commission which is pretty massive now.

[phazon307]

I am trying to use BITStamp bit I am trying to get my documents right for them perhaps when I have some extra time.

[empoweoqwj]

I am trying to use BITStamp bit I am trying to get my documents right for them perhaps when I have some extra time.

Yes it can take some time because they do the document stuff properly. That's a good sign, a sign of professionalism.