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August 31, 2011, 10:45:51 PM
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My first post yes. Been reading the forums for ages. But I feel it neccessary to state one simple demand to mtgox and the current situation about bruce wagner. Please stop sponsoring this proven con man (and most likely affiliated with mybitcoin.com - tod williams tom williams). I desire an official statement from mtgox that they are in no way associated with this asshole. If that is not possible to produce then one question is left, why? The reason for this post is Bruce Wagners latest bitcoin show where he states that he is in tokyo to visit mtgox. Make it official that this guy is in no way on the good side with bitcoins biggest trading site.

And please no posts that this is a newbs forum, first post so no choice on my part. I had to make this post to relieve my worries about the continuation of being affiliated with this scammer.

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August 31, 2011, 10:54:27 PM
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You are saying what is on a lot of peoples minds I'm sure.

I just hope everyone is checking facts themselves is all.

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August 31, 2011, 11:11:18 PM
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I just hope everyone just takes enough time to carefully examine the facts on hand and comes to a rational decision-sometimes it can be too easy to arrive at a conclusion, act on it, and then be unable to change course.
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August 31, 2011, 11:18:33 PM
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Interpretation is not really on a factually consistent case possible. Sorry.

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August 31, 2011, 11:29:21 PM
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Interpretation is not really on a factually consistent case possible. Sorry.

I understand that he has a questionable business history with respect to Bold Funding.  But isn't it possible that his commitment to bitcoin is sincere? I'd like to think what we're here for is largely about making money, but doing it in a way that is sustainable. I'm not sure if a guy who made $300,000 in the mortgage debacle would be so stupid as to turn this into another pump and dump scheme.

So while the jury is still out on his connection to mybitcoin, and whether or not he's cheating users out of their money, he shouldn't be prematurely castigated.
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August 31, 2011, 11:43:35 PM
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Interpretation is not really on a factually consistent case possible. Sorry.

I understand that he has a questionable business history with respect to Bold Funding.  But isn't it possible that his commitment to bitcoin is sincere? I'd like to think what we're here for is largely about making money, but doing it in a way that is sustainable. I'm not sure if a guy who made $300,000 in the mortgage debacle would be so stupid as to turn this into another pump and dump scheme.

So while the jury is still out on his connection to mybitcoin, and whether or not he's cheating users out of their money, he shouldn't be prematurely castigated.

I don't think it's a good idea to trust a convicted scammer when he is acting so suspicious.
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August 31, 2011, 11:47:29 PM
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Please read buttcoin.org - lots more out there. But it should be sufficient for you to not give this shady character another chance at representing bitcoin in any way.

"But isn't it possible that his commitment to bitcoin is sincere?" No. He is here only to scam because that is what scammers do. They scam. How hard can that be to comprehend? That is all he know. He is a weak greedy and pathetic individual. End of story. Yes we are here to make money because we believe in the protocol of bitcoin. Not in abusing it due to individuals bad judgement.

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September 01, 2011, 01:52:39 AM
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It would probably take me hours to read all the Bruce Wagner threads on this forum but I will make one point

ex-conman != conman

I don't know all the facts, but calling an ex-conman a conman may not be really fair.

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September 01, 2011, 01:58:52 AM
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It would probably take me hours to read all the Bruce Wagner threads on this forum but I will make one point

ex-conman != conman

I don't know all the facts, but calling an ex-conman a conman may not be really fair.


Exactly, but I'm glad this forum and some users have made sure that anyone still doing business with him does it with eyes wide open.  I would hate to go into business with shady without any knowledge of his past.  At least this drama has helped clear the air about his past.
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September 01, 2011, 02:03:56 AM
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It would probably take me hours to read all the Bruce Wagner threads on this forum but I will make one point

ex-conman != conman

I don't know all the facts, but calling an ex-conman a conman may not be really fair.


Took me a few minutes. Please make an effort before replying.

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September 01, 2011, 02:10:09 AM
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I've talked to Bruce and watched his show several times, and he is a really nice guy.... From my personal experience, it seems unlikely that he is the conman everyone is claiming him to be. He has a very open and honest character... Not at all 'shady' IMO.

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September 01, 2011, 02:18:56 AM
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It would probably take me hours to read all the Bruce Wagner threads on this forum but I will make one point

ex-conman != conman

I don't know all the facts, but calling an ex-conman a conman may not be really fair.


Took me a few minutes. Please make an effort before replying.

Are you for real? There are at least 10 threads with 6+ pages = 1200 posts of Bruce Wagner drama.

I'm not a speed reader like you, sorry.

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September 01, 2011, 02:24:05 AM
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yes Im for real. Try to let go of your ideas and read the data that is out and availalble.

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September 01, 2011, 02:25:02 AM
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I've talked to Bruce and watched his show several times, and he is a really nice guy.... From my personal experience, it seems unlikely that he is the conman everyone is claiming him to be. He has a very open and honest character... Not at all 'shady' IMO.

The guy gets a $300k judgement on him from the state of Illinois, authors a treatise on picking up "boys" in global sex tourism hotspot, and you don't even raise ONE eyebrow? Like, not even a little? Come on, that's just a little shady.

Not enough to burn the guy at the stake, but I would definitely need a little more than a handshake before signing any deals.
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September 01, 2011, 02:40:02 AM
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yes Im for real. Try to let go of your ideas and read the data that is out and availalble.

Lol okay I will try to let go of my ideas and read the data (1200 posts) that is out and available in 'a few minutes'.

Neat trick.

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September 01, 2011, 03:05:23 AM
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a decentralized currency thats going to be brought down by one man? I think I go talk to my mama about this
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September 01, 2011, 03:07:04 AM
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a decentralized currency thats going to be brought down by one man? I think I go talk to my mamasan about this

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September 01, 2011, 05:07:46 AM
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September 01, 2011, 06:22:04 AM
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I've talked to Bruce and watched his show several times, and he is a really nice guy.... From my personal experience, it seems unlikely that he is the conman everyone is claiming him to be. He has a very open and honest character... Not at all 'shady' IMO.
I can honestly say that I know very little about this guy, but what I can say is this; con-men make their living by getting people to trust them, then violating that trust.  If you do something for a living, you tend to be good at it, or you are a very thin, malnourished sort that lives under a bridge.  I am certainly not tossing him under the bus just yet, but on the other hand, if he IS a con-man, he will probably seem very trust-worthy right up, until he walks away with all your money.
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September 01, 2011, 07:19:41 AM
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This thread also ignores the fact that Bruce has been nothing but honest in his business dealings with the bitcoin community so far.

When you get down to it, everyone has a past; some people have cleaner pasts than others.   Also people grow and learn from life experiences.

For myself, I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt.  If Bruce continues to be honest with his bitcoin dealings I see no why things that happened many years ago should stop valid honest business now.

It seems like that many people on this forum have been on a witch hunt and once they have found any dirt (if it is really dirt), have claimed that this must be the end of a good reputation.  When in-fact these 'revelations' have no direct importance to the good dealing that have happened over the last 10 months.

One off NP-Hard.
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