Time to abandon bitcointalk.org ?

[joulesbeef]

With free speech, you get a mess.

When you give people power to block the trolls, it will always move beyond the trolls to the point that speech isnt really free, and people start to remove things simple cause they dont like what they are saying.

I guess this is all over the bruce crap, click ignore.

And I seriously doubt to many businesses are going to hang out in the forums and we have bigger hurdles than trolls in our forums

[Cryptoman]

It's waste, and regressive is normally used to describe those who are for rolling back and 'regressing' to an earlier or more primitive time, such as that when we had no labor laws or regulations.

I'd label anyone who is promoting the same tired, old, centralized, political, one-size-fits-all solutions to humanity's problems as regressive.  A "progressive" ought to be someone searching for peaceful, decentralized, peer-to-peer ways to organize and assist humanity.  That may be your point of view, so this is not meant as a criticism. 

[Colargol]

They are more regressive than anything else. They sit around and waist of TON of time talking about completely useless shit.

Far from progressive in my book...

Not meaning to be nasty but this just made me think of a couple quotes/definitions:

Puritan: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be having a good time.

Barbarian: one who thinks that the ways of his tribe should be the ways of all other tribes.

Thanks to H. L. Mencken and G. B. Shaw.

Of course there is also the more trite, "One man's trash is another man's treasure." 

 

[Piper67]

It's waste, and regressive is normally used to describe those who are for rolling back and 'regressing' to an earlier or more primitive time, such as that when we had no labor laws or regulations.

I'd label anyone who is promoting the same tired, old, centralized, political, one-size-fits-all solutions to humanity's problems as regressive.  A "progressive" ought to be someone searching for peaceful, decentralized, peer-to-peer ways to organize and assist humanity.  That may be your point of view, so this is not meant as a criticism. 

Hmmm... humanity has many problems. I think some of them are better addressed in a centralised way, and some in a decentralised one. There is something to be said for centres of learning, for example.

The problem isn't necessarily with the notion of centralisation, but with the idea of a central authority. Complete decentralisation? We had that, about 100,000 years ago. It worked, but not so well.

Maybe a model with many centres, but essentially decentralised? A universe where any one point is the centre, and equidistant from the edges.

Ack, we need a philosophy sub-forum.

[MajorMiner]

Just wanted to get some other opinions here. Seems like this forum has been overrun by a few users who post continuously in a need to astroturf. Its also turned into a ground where it is free for hate speech and spreading false rumors. Worse of all, it seems to have been effective and the false information is spreading to other websites. So, has this forum outlived its value, and is it time for the honest bitcoin community to take up new grounds?

I think they should just rename the site to SolidCoinAstroturf...Or whatever the alternate currency scam of the day is... I am new here but I find the amount of disinformation alarming. The good news is there are still tons of amazingly cool people who are selflessly contributing REAL knowledge. As long as thats in place, I am here.

[Cryptoman]

The problem isn't necessarily with the notion of centralisation, but with the idea of a central authority. Complete decentralisation? We had that, about 100,000 years ago. It worked, but not so well.

Everyone on the planet was not connected by the internet 100,000 years ago.  It could work now.  However, I agree with your assessment that centralized authority is the main problem.  Humanity is much too diverse now for that to work any longer.

[FlipPro]

Honestly, to me as a business owner, if I were coming in at this point in the game now? I'm more put off by the hardline libertarian "Taxation is theft! Fuck off parasite!" than I am a few douchebags trolling.

At the beggining of Bitcoin the forum was much more libertarian, and the mood was a lot better. People had more respect for each other, conversations were less agressive. People were happy in the forum. Even socialist and libertarians were speaking and discussing rationally. It wasnt a problem at all. Since the "progressive kids" started pouring in with their stupid attitude and their programmed ignorance the whole thing started going down.

I wouldn't go as far as giving the SA members such a serious title of progressives. Sure they are by majority a largely liberal forum, but to say that they have any specific ideology is an insult to all ideology's in current existence.

They are more regressive than anything else. They sit around and waist of TON of time talking about completely useless shit.

Far from progressive in my book...

It's waste, and regressive is normally used to describe those who are for rolling back and 'regressing' to an earlier or more primitive time, such as that when we had no labor laws or regulations.

If you think we are advocates for that, you should probably go read SA for a bit

Thanks for the spell check, and I am sorry all I have seen from you guys is childish trolling. I have lurked all over your forum, and did find some good postings, but ironically these had the lowest amount of hits/reply's. All the stupid shit you guys had going on was steady at the top.

[osmosis]

I recommend the bitcoin sub-reddit- http://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin

theymos is the mod there, so you can expect the same lax policy as here.

Also Eternal September has hit this forum.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

I was going to say... the reddit bitcoin subforum is probably the only discussion site that is worse then here.

[Ben Walsh (beamer)]

In addition to the Ignore "button", it would be highly beneficial to have an indication that a post has been edited after posting.

Beyond that, it would be fantastic if each version of the post was also available.

Also, to address some of the other concerns - a mandatory "justification" for why a particular post or topic was removed by a moderator would be useful to.

[osmosis]

Don't tell me you haven't yet realised what will really happen to bitcoin if "the masses" would ever start using it, right?

I personally have doubts it'll ever reach a sizable market, or grow to anything other than a minor niche in the payments industry. I don't think it will overtake Visa or the USD. I don't think the deflation will be that big of a deal really, and if it is - well then Bitcoin will make a fantastic social experiment.

Honestly though, unless we can do something about all the shit that's going on, I honestly don't think we'll ever make it to that point. Bitcoin is not a deflationary currency right now, and it will not be a deflationary currency for about 24 more years. The gradual slide in value is showing that the current rate of inflation is outpacing the demand for the currency. Two decades is a long time to expect the project to live, and I really do believe that if the project keeps growing (a huge if, IMHO), then in those two decades we'll solve the problems of lost coins in some way or another.

Obviously the supply is outpacing demand right now, hence the price move down. Its called a redistribution phase. I have no idea where you are pulling that 24 years figure from.

[Piper67]

Don't tell me you haven't yet realised what will really happen to bitcoin if "the masses" would ever start using it, right?

I personally have doubts it'll ever reach a sizable market, or grow to anything other than a minor niche in the payments industry. I don't think it will overtake Visa or the USD. I don't think the deflation will be that big of a deal really, and if it is - well then Bitcoin will make a fantastic social experiment.

Honestly though, unless we can do something about all the shit that's going on, I honestly don't think we'll ever make it to that point. Bitcoin is not a deflationary currency right now, and it will not be a deflationary currency for about 24 more years. The gradual slide in value is showing that the current rate of inflation is outpacing the demand for the currency. Two decades is a long time to expect the project to live, and I really do believe that if the project keeps growing (a huge if, IMHO), then in those two decades we'll solve the problems of lost coins in some way or another.

Obviously the supply is outpacing demand right now, hence the price move down. Its called a redistribution phase. I have no idea where you are pulling that 24 years figure from.

Yup, supply will drop by half in a little over a year, then by half again four years later. The 24 years came from the same part of his body that supplies the gas he's full of.

[elggawf]

Obviously the supply is outpacing demand right now, hence the price move down. Its called a redistribution phase. I have no idea where you are pulling that 24 years figure from.

I read somewhere that it was about 25 years ago, a year ago. Apparently it's more like 29 years (either way, a really long time of inflation, given the attention span of the internet):

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQ#How_long_will_it_take_to_generate_all_the_coins.3F

Yup, supply will drop by half in a little over a year, then by half again four years later. The 24 years came from the same part of his body that supplies the gas he's full of.

"Hurrrrrrrrr"

[bitrebel]

There are a few folks here now from the SomethingSmellsAweful forums. They are a bunch of cops, narcs, feds, and losers. Ignore them all.

[osmosis]

Obviously the supply is outpacing demand right now, hence the price move down. Its called a redistribution phase. I have no idea where you are pulling that 24 years figure from.

I read somewhere that it was about 25 years ago, a year ago. Apparently it's more like 29 years (either way, a really long time of inflation, given the attention span of the internet):

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQ#How_long_will_it_take_to_generate_all_the_coins.3F

Yup, supply will drop by half in a little over a year, then by half again four years later. The 24 years came from the same part of his body that supplies the gas he's full of.

"Hurrrrrrrrr"

Okay, gotcha. But that just means there will be new coins entering the system for the next 24 years. We all already knew that! Thats bitcoin basics. Look at it this way... 7 million coins in circulation currently. If the number of people using bitcoin doubles...there is still only about 7 million coins available, the price would need to roughly double to meet the demand.  Only 7500 new coins are created daily, and it will drop to only 3750 new coins per day within a year. Limited supply available, get them while you can.

[Piper67]

Obviously the supply is outpacing demand right now, hence the price move down. Its called a redistribution phase. I have no idea where you are pulling that 24 years figure from.

I read somewhere that it was about 25 years ago, a year ago. Apparently it's more like 29 years (either way, a really long time of inflation, given the attention span of the internet):

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/FAQ#How_long_will_it_take_to_generate_all_the_coins.3F

Yup, supply will drop by half in a little over a year, then by half again four years later. The 24 years came from the same part of his body that supplies the gas he's full of.

"Hurrrrrrrrr"

Okay, gotcha. But that just means there will be new coins entering the system for the next 24 years. We all already knew that! Thats bitcoin basics. Look at it this way... 7 million coins in circulation currently. If the number of people using bitcoin doubles...there is still only about 7 million coins available, the price would need to roughly double to meet the demand.  Only 7500 new coins are created daily, and it will drop to only 3750 new coins per day within a year. Limited supply available, get them while you can.

Actually, the curve of new coin production is asymptotic. It will be constantly reaching closer to zero, without ever actually getting there. There could be a coin produced 245 years from now. It will never reach 21 million.

For practical purposes, the supply will be halved every four years. Right now it's marginally inflationary with respect to the growth rate of the BTC economy. If everything stays exactly where it is today, it will become more inflationary in the next few months, then suddenly drop to being marginally deflationary in early 2013. This is predictable and built into the code.

Elggawf either doesn't know, or chooses not to know 

[smoothie]

Stop yelling fire, because even if there is a fire we'd rather just let it burn things!"

Yup, maybe, hopefully, it will burn you and your friends while you are here.

I would love to see some goons on fire! 

It's called SELECTIVE-READING. You should try it.

[elggawf]

Elggawf either doesn't know, or chooses not to know  

Oh yeah, it couldn't just be that I was responding to the claim of "when there's no more coins everyone will lose them and the system can't keep working because no one will spend" with "well we've got at least a couple decades to find out if that's even true, it's not true now, as Bitcoin is currently inflationary and will be for quite some time".

No, you're right. I'm a clueless, gas-filled moron. Jesus christ you retards are so caught up in the "us versus them" thing that I've lost count of the friendly-fire incidents where Bitcoiners are outcasted like "trolls".

[osmosis]

Elggawf either doesn't know, or chooses not to know  

Oh yeah, it couldn't just be that I was responding to the claim of "when there's no more coins everyone will lose them and the system can't keep working because no one will spend" with "well we've got at least a couple decades to find out if that's even true, it's not true now, as Bitcoin is currently inflationary and will be for quite some time".

No, you're right. I'm a clueless, gas-filled moron. Jesus christ you retards are so caught up in the "us versus them" thing that I've lost count of the friendly-fire incidents where Bitcoiners are outcasted like "trolls".

You are still saying the same thing though. You think that bitcoins are inflationary. The price went from $1 to $10 ..thats deflationary. Whenever more people are using bitcoins, and demand is increasing, because of limited supply it will be a deflationary environment.

[FAtlas]

You are still saying the same thing though. You think that bitcoins are inflationary. The price went from $1 to $10 ..thats deflationary. Whenever more people are using bitcoins, and demand is increasing, because of limited supply it will be a deflationary environment.

Then it went from $10 to $30, before going to $15, and then starting a long drawn-out slide to under $10.  It can only be deflationary when more people are interested in buying in than are interested in cashing out, driving up the price.  That hasn't been the trend for a while now.  Predicting what it 'will be' with something that has shown this much volatility is pointless.

[osmosis]

Heh, I finally noticed the ignore button on the left. 

Wow! Nice! Im going to start using that.