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May 22, 2018, 11:50:26 PM
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Wow.  This coin is stunning.  Nice work!   The contrast is amazing!

 
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May 23, 2018, 03:06:35 AM
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#21 please

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May 23, 2018, 11:04:41 AM
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Nice one ! I'll take #15 please
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May 23, 2018, 12:49:13 PM
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#21 please

got it down, thank you  Smiley

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May 23, 2018, 12:49:22 PM
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Nice one ! I'll take #15 please

thank you.  you got it!  Cool

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May 23, 2018, 02:16:37 PM
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Where are you shipping from ?

 
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May 23, 2018, 07:11:12 PM
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Where are you shipping from ?

St Augustine, Florida.

Note:  Shipping is included for both domestic and international shipments (we're eating the cost of it, basically).

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Its a hard pill to swallow paying 0.1BTC when all you did was trace/flip these two pictures and throw it on a coin with no original artistry of your own. I feel as though you and your team could have come up with something a little better and hopefully you continue with your series and incorporate bitcoin into the face of the coin.




At the very least I appreciate that the original artist's signatures are still on the drawup of the coin. I feel as though once the actual coin is minted that it may be one of the things that doesnt make it onto the actual silver coin. ( i hope it stays on but as we have seen with the bordering on the NattyMind Samsara coin sometimes the little intricate parts can not actually be done )

Demanding this sort of price point from a bitcoin collectibles community just because another proven coin creator also has a 5oz Silver coin series does not mean that yours is worth the same amount as his. If you go back to when team NattyMind brought out their first coin you can see that they almost/possibly did take a hit just to get their name out there.

This is your second piece in a row that is piggybacking off of another artist/product. Your 65crypto metal wall piece and now this.

This is not a hitpiece but you can see that a lot of the collectors on here are skeptical to reserve these, I think once an actual prototype or the first coins are struck with hologram revealed and applied you might see more interest.



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Its a hard pill to swallow paying 0.1BTC when all you did was trace/flip these two pictures and throw it on a coin with no original artistry of your own. I feel as though you and your team could have come up with something a little better and hopefully you continue with your series and incorporate bitcoin into the face of the coin.




At the very least I appreciate that the original artist's signatures are still on the drawup of the coin. I feel as though once the actual coin is minted that it may be one of the things that doesnt make it onto the actual silver coin. ( i hope it stays on but as we have seen with the bordering on the NattyMind Samsara coin sometimes the little intricate parts can not actually be done )

Demanding this sort of price point from a bitcoin collectibles community just because another proven coin creator also has a 5oz Silver coin series does not mean that yours is worth the same amount as his. If you go back to when team NattyMind brought out their first coin you can see that they almost/possibly did take a hit just to get their name out there.

This is your second piece in a row that is piggybacking off of another artist/product. Your 65crypto metal wall piece and now this.

This is not a hitpiece but you can see that a lot of the collectors on here are skeptical to reserve these, I think once an actual prototype or the first coins are struck with hologram revealed and applied you might see more interest.





No artistry?  We did a ton of research on Vedder to determine which pieces we wanted to use and why, exactly, we wanted to use them.  Even coming up with the idea of using Vedder's work is artistic in itself.  And determining the images to display, representing the meaning of corrupt government and the ability to revolt, inducing anarchy, is not artistic?  These are key components of Bitcoin.  And that itself has artistic power, I feel.  We created the slogans, as well.  Even just coming up with the concept of mirroring the two arts, in order to depict both stances, seems pretty artistic in my eyes.

We did discuss perhaps using our very own original art for our very first coin.  In fact, we are working on a new art piece, now, that has been in the works for a few weeks and will continue to be in the works for at least 2-3 more.  It features the past and the present.  On the left of the art features a city in ruins, the federal reserve eagle shattered on the ground, burned currency, etc etc.  On the right, a city in beauty - beautiful grass and trees, graceful birds, and futuristic buildings erected into the shapes of several popular cryptos.  We thought long and hard about offering that as our very first coin, along with the original art piece to go with an auction of the #1 coin.  But we thought it would be really neat to incorporate Vedder's work into a physical coin.  It has never been done before and we personally appreciate what Vedder portrayed.  We really liked his philosophical concepts and his presentation.  And we figured his work would be much appreciated on a coin. 

I'm not sure what you mean about the Top 65 coin piece.  How was that "piggybacking" off of another artist?  I created that art myself.  I took all of the logos, determined the marketcap at the moment of creation, and worked all of those in Illustrator before printing them onto our metal panels.  I didn't take anyone's artwork nor did I take anyone's idea.  If this is in regards to the fact that someone pointed out it looked like a book cover, then I'm sorry, but that was a mere coincidence.  In fact we only created the art because someone reached out to us with the idea and asked us if it's something we could possibly do.

Regarding price, I feel that the price is quite fair and warranted.

How do you know that we are not taking a loss, as well, on this project?

The coin is not simply a cost of minting.  There are a ton of costs that are going into this.  To name a few, the silver, as you mentioned, the charge for the actual coin striking, the charge for the coin's die, the charge for our designer to prepare the artwork, the charge to prepare the hologram artwork, the charge for the setup fees and creation of the physical hologram as well as the charge for the actual holograms themselves, the charge to have keys generated and engraved, the charge for shipping (for domestic, and international), the charge for receiving, preparing, and packaging, which covers all of our facility charges and faculty charges, as well, ... there's a ton that goes into the cost of this as well as many of our projects - many of which can easily be overlooked when you're not fully aware of the entire cost of said project.

Regarding hesitation - I did not anticipate this coin selling out in a day or two.  Many people, as you mentioned, will want to see the physical coin, first, and see its quality, before moving forward with any type of reservation.  And that's perfectly acceptable.  I look forward to presenting something of high-quality that the community can cherish and display proudly.


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But we thought it would be really neat to incorporate Vedder's work into a physical coin. It has never been done before and we personally appreciate what Vedder portrayed.  We really liked his philosophical concepts and his presentation. And we figured his work would be much appreciated on a coin.  
There has never been an artwork by Elihu Vedder on a coin before?



(Medal for Columbian Exposition, for the 400th Anniversary for the Landing of Columbus, October 21, 1892; Bronze with brown patina; 2-1/2 inches or 6.4 cm diameter)
Sounds an awful lot like a coin to me.
[Reference to the original drawing by Vedder at the National Gallery of Art in Washington, DC]

Another one with the same artwork was done the following year:



And those weren't only these two single/named pieces pictured above, they also had public sales of silver coins/medals with this artwork.

100 years later (in 1992), the United States Pavilion released a Commemorative bronze medal with the same design once again:



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If you are going to copy some piece about 95%ish. If you could copy a cool looking coin and hologram like the lealana pirate(ish) ship one I think that one was neat
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Regarding price, I feel that the price is quite fair and warranted.

How do you know that we are not taking a loss, as well, on this project?

The coin is not simply a cost of minting.  There are a ton of costs that are going into this.  To name a few, the silver, as you mentioned, the charge for the actual coin striking, the charge for the coin's die, the charge for our designer to prepare the artwork, the charge to prepare the hologram artwork, the charge for the setup fees and creation of the physical hologram as well as the charge for the actual holograms themselves, the charge to have keys generated and engraved, the charge for shipping (for domestic, and international), the charge for receiving, preparing, and packaging, which covers all of our facility charges and faculty charges, as well, ... there's a ton that goes into the cost of this as well as many of our projects - many of which can easily be overlooked when you're not fully aware of the entire cost of said project.

Regarding hesitation - I did not anticipate this coin selling out in a day or two.  Many people, as you mentioned, will want to see the physical coin, first, and see its quality, before moving forward with any type of reservation.  And that's perfectly acceptable.  I look forward to presenting something of high-quality that the community can cherish and display proudly.

Many of us know the inherent costs of minting a coin and all extras that go with it....

If you are loosing money on a 5oz silver coin while charging 0.1BTC for it, you are doing something extreeeeeeeemly wrong on your end.

There are many people here that can help out and make this a success for you..

Personally, I have no interest in the coin, as it has nothing to do directly with Bitcoin or Crypto... and that is why we are all here...

You can state that it has a meaning or certain words, etc.... but without that "BTC" or some other kind of crypto marking, I feel this piece will be passed over by many serious collectors...

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But we thought it would be really neat to incorporate Vedder's work into a physical coin. It has never been done before and we personally appreciate what Vedder portrayed.  We really liked his philosophical concepts and his presentation. And we figured his work would be much appreciated on a coin.  
There has never been an artwork by Elihu Vedder on a coin before?



(Medal for Columbian Exposition, for the 400th Anniversary for the Landing of Columbus, October 21, 1892; Bronze with brown patina; 2-1/2 inches or 6.4 cm diameter)
Sounds an awful lot like a coin to me.
[Reference to the original drawing by Vedder at the National Gallery of Art in Washington, DC]

Another one with the same artwork was done the following year:



And those weren't only these two single/named pieces pictured above, they also had public sales of silver coins/medals with this artwork.

100 years later (in 1992), the United States Pavilion released a Commemorative bronze medal with the same design once again:



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Hi Frank,

13, 33, 66

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Many of us know the inherent costs of minting a coin and all extras that go with it....

If you are loosing money on a 5oz silver coin while charging 0.1BTC for it, you are doing something extreeeeeeeemly wrong on your end.
To believe that the profitability margin isn't ridiculous would be ridiculous. Roll Eyes The coin looks nice, but that price warrants some more of the fine ol' silver.

But we thought it would be really neat to incorporate Vedder's work into a physical coin. It has never been done before and we personally appreciate what Vedder portrayed.  We really liked his philosophical concepts and his presentation. And we figured his work would be much appreciated on a coin.  
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The difference being..? You added a keypair and it becomes a Bitcoin coin?

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May 24, 2018, 08:23:04 AM
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Frank, I have purchased your works before and have missed out on many - but I finally feel I have to say something. you are on a money grab and it isnt cool at all.

This coin is not original and If I were natty I would feel a little ripped off, not only do you churn out artworks 10 to the dozen but now you are making coins, I can see you becoming the next F*D.

I will not be buying this or any other of your works moving forwards.

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May 24, 2018, 09:20:08 AM
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Unreserve #6 please
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May 24, 2018, 01:43:16 PM
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Frank, I have purchased your works before and have missed out on many - but I finally feel I have to say something. you are on a money grab and it isnt cool at all.

This coin is not original and If I were natty I would feel a little ripped off, not only do you churn out artworks 10 to the dozen but now you are making coins, I can see you becoming the next F*D.

I will not be buying this or any other of your works moving forwards.

We employee 10 artists.  So yes, we usually always have something new in the works.  That only makes sense for a group of artists who have been working in the art field for many years.

We decided to make this piece because we legitimately thought it was an awesome contribution to the crypto community.  

I don't see a problem with creating a variety of art pieces for a variety of different crypto pieces.  It's all been well received.  I'm not on a 'money grab', that was not our intention.  You have absolutely no idea what goes on behind the scenes of our business.  I don't think it's dignified for you to make assumptions.  

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Based on insufficient reservations within the first few days of release, we have decided to cancel this project.

Any project can and will receive both positive, and negative, reaction(s), unfortunately.  

If you have made a reservation, our apologies; please DO NOT send payment.  Anyone who has paid (which is only one person, Stacy), will be contacted and refunded immediately.


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May 24, 2018, 02:16:53 PM
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Based on insufficient reservations within the first few days of release, we have decided to cancel this project.

Any project can and will receive both positive, and negative, reaction(s), unfortunately.  

If you have made a reservation, our apologies; please DO NOT send payment.  Anyone who has paid (which is only one person, Stacy), will be contacted and refunded immediately.



So after "several, several months" of work you decide to cancel based on lack of reservations in only the first few days? Not to mention that you already had 18 reservations.

Doesn't seem like that much work went into this project if you'd cancel so quickly. Undecided














 

 

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