Request For Help From P&S Regulars/P&S Meta Thread

[tvbcof]

Tried to make a self moderated thread before and it seems to not be allowed on here anymore, was that just a fluke or is there a new rule here?

It would be a welcome new rule if it is one. ...

I’m curious if you mean in terms of just this sub or btalk as a whole. ...

I didn't think about it much.  Given your fairly good points, my answer would be just this sub, or if there are any other kinda deliberately off-topic and which people who think they are 'clever' can try to promote a particular brand of propaganda.

Maybe on some of the 'announce subs it also makes sense for there to be no self-moderation since the announce thread often becomes a rather valuable source of community feedback on the real-world operation of a particular effort.  It would suck for a scammer to get away with scams longer because he moderated out complaints.  But then anyone could start and [service ann]-UNMOD thread for the general community to discuss a service I suppose.  Maybe it happens.  I kinda almost exclusively scan/troll the politics+society one these days for general non-BTC related entertainment since I don't indulge in any other form of social media

[squatz1]

Could we talk about the amount of spam the CryptoTalk sig campaign is causing on this board? Most of the people posting here from their campaign are just spamming random BS.

We have enough useless spam here, we don't need this.....

[squatz1]

I'd like to ask for a 'SERIOUS' politics and society discussion section on here, where we'd only be allowing comments that add true value to the conversation and things along those lines.

I'm tired of this board being a bullshit cesspool of FAR OFF conspiracies, attacks on Jews/ other ethnic groups, attacks on the ILLUMINATI, and so on and so forth.

Can we have a real fucking section where we have policy debates, debates about what the president / any political person has done without erupting into personal attacks and retarded statements from sources with little to no value. (Yes that means I don't want to see some stupid fucking blog spam or youtube video with no value)

I'd like to know if I have any interest / support of something like this.

[suchmoon]

I'm tired of this board being a bullshit cesspool of FAR OFF conspiracies, attacks on Jews/ other ethnic groups, attacks on the ILLUMINATI, and so on and so forth.

Can we have a real fucking section where we have policy debates, debates about what the president / any political person has done without erupting into personal attacks and retarded statements from sources with little to no value. (Yes that means I don't want to see some stupid fucking blog spam or youtube video with no value)

I actually suggested half-jokingly in some other thread that we should create a conspiracy sub-board for P&S. There is a bit of a problem with that though. Who gets to decide what is a conspiracy?

Perhaps it needs to go the other way. Maybe P&S needs to be left as is and the more serious discussions need to move into their namesake board.

As for off-topic garbage (cryptotalk or illuminati or whatever) polluting otherwise normal threads - the solution is still the same as usual: report to moderator. This would be needed regardless of any new boards or new rules we might come up with.

[TwitchySeal]

I actually suggested half-jokingly in some other thread that we should create a conspiracy sub-board for P&S. There is a bit of a problem with that though. Who gets to decide what is a conspiracy?

Perhaps it needs to go the other way. Maybe P&S needs to be left as is and the more serious discussions need to move into their namesake board.

This is a good idea.  A "No Personal Attacks" rule would eliminate most of the nonsense.  Maybe get rid of signatures also.

[squatz1]

I'm tired of this board being a bullshit cesspool of FAR OFF conspiracies, attacks on Jews/ other ethnic groups, attacks on the ILLUMINATI, and so on and so forth.

Can we have a real fucking section where we have policy debates, debates about what the president / any political person has done without erupting into personal attacks and retarded statements from sources with little to no value. (Yes that means I don't want to see some stupid fucking blog spam or youtube video with no value)

I actually suggested half-jokingly in some other thread that we should create a conspiracy sub-board for P&S. There is a bit of a problem with that though. Who gets to decide what is a conspiracy?

Perhaps it needs to go the other way. Maybe P&S needs to be left as is and the more serious discussions need to move into their namesake board.

As for off-topic garbage (cryptotalk or illuminati or whatever) polluting otherwise normal threads - the solution is still the same as usual: report to moderator. This would be needed regardless of any new boards or new rules we might come up with.

I guess I'm going to be going on a crusade in the next few days regarding garbage spam posts from people (sig campaign or not)

I mean even in my idea, there are issues of what do different people determine 'serious' -- though I would assume that most think that it's fair to stop posting on the 4000 page posts on here. Things like "WHY IM AN ATHESIST" WITH 4000000000 REPLIES and so on and so forth.

I would like to see a lot of the garbage go to one area, and the more serious disccusions staying here. We'd have to work to define what 'serious' means though.

Even if we had some broad rules like no personal attacks, etc. That would do something.

I actually suggested half-jokingly in some other thread that we should create a conspiracy sub-board for P&S. There is a bit of a problem with that though. Who gets to decide what is a conspiracy?

Perhaps it needs to go the other way. Maybe P&S needs to be left as is and the more serious discussions need to move into their namesake board.

This is a good idea.  A "No Personal Attacks" rule would eliminate most of the nonsense.  Maybe get rid of signatures also.

I mean -- I'm pretty biased when it comes to the no signatures part. Though I dont see much of an issue with a QUALITY poster posting with a signature. If they are rewarded for their work then so be it.

But ya know, a tad biased on the matter cause below.....

[TwitchySeal]

I'm tired of this board being a bullshit cesspool of FAR OFF conspiracies, attacks on Jews/ other ethnic groups, attacks on the ILLUMINATI, and so on and so forth.

Can we have a real fucking section where we have policy debates, debates about what the president / any political person has done without erupting into personal attacks and retarded statements from sources with little to no value. (Yes that means I don't want to see some stupid fucking blog spam or youtube video with no value)

I actually suggested half-jokingly in some other thread that we should create a conspiracy sub-board for P&S. There is a bit of a problem with that though. Who gets to decide what is a conspiracy?

Perhaps it needs to go the other way. Maybe P&S needs to be left as is and the more serious discussions need to move into their namesake board.

As for off-topic garbage (cryptotalk or illuminati or whatever) polluting otherwise normal threads - the solution is still the same as usual: report to moderator. This would be needed regardless of any new boards or new rules we might come up with.

I guess I'm going to be going on a crusade in the next few days regarding garbage spam posts from people (sig campaign or not)

I mean even in my idea, there are issues of what do different people determine 'serious' -- though I would assume that most think that it's fair to stop posting on the 4000 page posts on here. Things like "WHY IM AN ATHESIST" WITH 4000000000 REPLIES and so on and so forth.

I would like to see a lot of the garbage go to one area, and the more serious disccusions staying here. We'd have to work to define what 'serious' means though.

Even if we had some broad rules like no personal attacks, etc. That would do something.

I actually suggested half-jokingly in some other thread that we should create a conspiracy sub-board for P&S. There is a bit of a problem with that though. Who gets to decide what is a conspiracy?

Perhaps it needs to go the other way. Maybe P&S needs to be left as is and the more serious discussions need to move into their namesake board.

This is a good idea.  A "No Personal Attacks" rule would eliminate most of the nonsense.  Maybe get rid of signatures also.

I mean -- I'm pretty biased when it comes to the no signatures part. Though I dont see much of an issue with a QUALITY poster posting with a signature. If they are rewarded for their work then so be it.

But ya know, a tad biased on the matter cause below.....

I meant just turn them off so they don't appear.  You could still post in the forum, just wouldn't get paid for them.  Like the serious discussion forum.

[squatz1]

Ah, I mean that is pretty fair.

I just like getting paid for posting what I love! So yeah.

I don't see an issue allowing sigs if people aren't just abusing it for $$$$ -- I think there are some campaigns that are pretty solid (even some people in cryptotalk who post here are OKAY)

[tvbcof]

I actually suggested half-jokingly in some other thread that we should create a conspiracy sub-board for P&S. There is a bit of a problem with that though. Who gets to decide what is a conspiracy?

That's a trivial problem.  Anything not agreeable to the mainstream media is a 'conspiracy theory'.  Anything they report as the truth is not.

Now shut up, get your booster vaccinations on schedule, and pay your carbon taxes to save the earth.

Perhaps it needs to go the other way. Maybe P&S needs to be left as is and the more serious discussions need to move into their namesake board.

This is a good idea.  A "No Personal Attacks" rule would eliminate most of the nonsense.  Maybe get rid of signatures also.

Ah, fuck off snowflake

Seriously, that's such a nebulous concept that it is certain to cause no end of grief.  Completely unnecessary as well.  Just disengage and ignore if you something bothers you.  Seriously!

Humans are just being humans here.  One of the problems with our society is that people are trying to impose norms which are not normal and inject other sources of tension like 'impossible equality' into society.  My belief is that it is often a very deliberate strategy to destabilize society promoted by fairly clever people who know exactly what they are doing.  Most people just accept the explaination that 'they' are just bringing 'peace'.  Nothing could be farther form the truth.

[TwitchySeal]

I actually suggested half-jokingly in some other thread that we should create a conspiracy sub-board for P&S. There is a bit of a problem with that though. Who gets to decide what is a conspiracy?

That's a trivial problem.  Anything not agreeable to the mainstream media is a 'conspiracy theory'.  Anything they report as the truth is not.

Now shut up, get your booster vaccinations on schedule, and pay your carbon taxes to save the earth.

Perhaps it needs to go the other way. Maybe P&S needs to be left as is and the more serious discussions need to move into their namesake board.

This is a good idea.  A "No Personal Attacks" rule would eliminate most of the nonsense.  Maybe get rid of signatures also.

Ah, fuck off snowflake

Seriously, that's such a nebulous concept that it is certain to cause no end of grief.  Completely unnecessary as well.  Just disengage and ignore if you something bothers you.  Seriously!

Humans are just being humans here.  One of the problems with our society is that people are trying to impose norms which are not normal and inject other sources of tension like 'impossible equality' into society.  My belief is that it is often a very deliberate strategy to destabilize society promoted by fairly clever people who know exactly what they are doing.  Most people just accept the explaination that 'they' are just bringing 'peace'.  Nothing could be farther form the truth.

Personal attacks are just off topic rants without substance that make threads harder to keep up with.

[Flying Hellfish]

I'd like to ask for a 'SERIOUS' politics and society discussion section on here, where we'd only be allowing comments that add true value to the conversation and things along those lines.

I'm tired of this board being a bullshit cesspool of FAR OFF conspiracies, attacks on Jews/ other ethnic groups, attacks on the ILLUMINATI, and so on and so forth.

theymos has stated before one of the primary goals of the forum is to be "as free as possible".  This comes with some pro's and con's.  One of the cons is that everyone from the pinko, communist, socialist, libtard cucks to the xenophobic, alt right, incel, conspiritard twats have the same right to spew their garbage as anyone else.  Rest easy though bro, it's a dark little shit filled corner of the interwebz and has no bearing on reality!

Can we have a real fucking section where we have policy debates, debates about what the president / any political person has done without erupting into personal attacks and retarded statements from sources with little to no value. (Yes that means I don't want to see some stupid fucking blog spam or youtube video with no value)

As Suchmoon suggested perhaps try Serious Discussion for more "serious" conversations.  It isn't up to me or any mod to arbitrate the "value of a source" you're going to have to vet the value of those sources (and the poster IMO) own your own.

Adding more rules that are subject to a mod's review/control is just going to give the vocal minority more shit to cry about, trust me they have enough to cry about and a victim complex already and do so incessantly.

[PrimeNumber7]

I'm tired of this board being a bullshit cesspool of FAR OFF conspiracies, attacks on Jews/ other ethnic groups, attacks on the ILLUMINATI, and so on and so forth.

I want everyone to have the right to post what they believe, and to post their stance on issues. This is true even if I am condemning the viewpoint.

I personally do not respond to the extreme extremist posts, illuminati posts, and posts that attack specific religions. I encourage others to do the same, and I predict they will eventually leave the P&S sub.

If policies were to be changed for the P&S sub, I would suggest using Twitter's Hateful Conduct Policy, in particular:

You may not promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease.

We prohibit content that makes violent threats against an identifiable target. Violent threats are declarative statements of intent to inflict injuries that would result in serious and lasting bodily harm, where an individual could die or be significantly injured, e.g., “I will kill you”.

I believe this is already in effect

We prohibit targeting individuals with repeated slurs, tropes or other content that intends to dehumanize, degrade or reinforce negative or harmful stereotypes about a protected category.

[squatz1]

I'd like to ask for a 'SERIOUS' politics and society discussion section on here, where we'd only be allowing comments that add true value to the conversation and things along those lines.

I'm tired of this board being a bullshit cesspool of FAR OFF conspiracies, attacks on Jews/ other ethnic groups, attacks on the ILLUMINATI, and so on and so forth.

theymos has stated before one of the primary goals of the forum is to be "as free as possible".  This comes with some pro's and con's.  One of the cons is that everyone from the pinko, communist, socialist, libtard cucks to the xenophobic, alt right, incel, conspiritard twats have the same right to spew their garbage as anyone else.  Rest easy though bro, it's a dark little shit filled corner of the interwebz and has no bearing on reality!

Can we have a real fucking section where we have policy debates, debates about what the president / any political person has done without erupting into personal attacks and retarded statements from sources with little to no value. (Yes that means I don't want to see some stupid fucking blog spam or youtube video with no value)

As Suchmoon suggested perhaps try Serious Discussion for more "serious" conversations.  It isn't up to me or any mod to arbitrate the "value of a source" you're going to have to vet the value of those sources (and the poster IMO) own your own.

Adding more rules that are subject to a mod's review/control is just going to give the vocal minority more shit to cry about, trust me they have enough to cry about and a victim complex already and do so incessantly.

Or just make a serious discussion for P&S in particular. Wouldn't that be something that could be approved?

[Flying Hellfish]

Or just make a serious discussion for P&S in particular. Wouldn't that be something that could be approved?

Anything theymos wants/agrees can be approved, I don't think having a super moderated sub is going to entice quality debate on policy, ideology etc etc like you think.

Honestly you have tools given to you to avoid anyone you don't want to interact with, feel free to make any topic you want a self modded thread, you are then perfectly free to have any kind of serious discussion you feel like dealing with.

If you're vision of serious discussion is what the sub wants your self modded topics will be the life of the sub!

You can also ignore ANYONE you want.

You have tools to avoid trolls and choices on what to post.  Is it perfect, FUCK NO but it's better than the alternative which is having a full on right or left echo chamber of retarded ideas which is what it will become or will be accused of being.

BTW me being allowed to call anyone I want a cunt is a big part of the appeal of this forum (for me personally)!

[suchmoon]

Honestly you have tools given to you to avoid anyone you don't want to interact with, feel free to make any topic you want a self modded thread, you are then perfectly free to have any kind of serious discussion you feel like dealing with.

This. Just make sure to lay the rules out in the OP so that everyone is fully informed what is allowed in the thread and what isn't. Some nutjob trolls also moonlight as wannabe intertubes lawyers so if you're not feeding them a well-balanced diet of pseudo-legalese then for every deleted post they'll create a thread to complain about it. Actually they'll probably complain anyway, just ignore it. Bottom line, I'd like to see more clean self-modded threads in P&S, whiners be damned.

[sirazimuth]

.......Some nutjob trolls also moonlight as wannabe intertubes lawyers so if you're not feeding them a well-balanced diet of pseudo-legalese then for every deleted post they'll create a thread to complain about it. Actually they'll probably complain anyway....

Nutjobs on the P&S boards??!! Creating threads to whine about deleted posts even???!
Well gee, I just can’t imagine who on earth you could be talking about....

[suchmoon]

Nutjobs on the P&S boards??!! Creating threads to whine about deleted posts even???!
Well gee, I just can’t imagine who on earth you could be talking about....

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[Vod]

You may not promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease.

This cannot be implemented - how will someone defend against accusations by claiming I am "stroking out"?

[eddie13]

You may not promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease.

This cannot be implemented - how will someone defend against accusations by claiming I am "stroking out"?

What!!

So I can’t say things suck as spik, kike, retard, nigger, mudslime, chink, christcuck, cracker, bug people, gook, cockroaches, pajeet, poo in loos, bongs, burgers, Muhammad was a pedo, you will never be a real woman, dialate, sodomites will go to hell, etc.??

They are too weak to handle criticism here?

Sounds like a shit website..

[Spendulus]

You may not promote violence against or directly attack or threaten other people on the basis of race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, gender, gender identity, religious affiliation, age, disability, or serious disease.

This cannot be implemented - how will someone defend against accusations by claiming I am "stroking out"?

What!!

So I can’t say things suck as spik, kike, retard, nigger, mudslime, chink, christcuck, cracker, bug people, gook, cockroaches, pajeet, poo in loos, bongs, burgers, Muhammad was a pedo, you will never be a real woman, dialate, sodomites will go to hell, etc.??

They are too weak to handle criticism here?

Sounds like a shit website..

Of course, some saw this coming and bugged out.