5 lists for merit earners: Initial merit drop to the next recognized rank

[puzzling_rvat]

I think this man (tvplus006  - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1311641) has to be a part of your list. He is doing is really useful and really hard work everyday, without holidays.

I guess your list is a Hall of fame! These men are so useful for forum, really good Members.

[Jet Cash]

I think this man (tvplus006  - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1311641) has to be a part of your list. He is doing is really useful and really hard work everyday, without holidays.

Almost all of his posting is to do with bounty and other stuff that is clogging up the forum. I think it's time he took a long holidy. Fortunately nearly all of his posts are on boards that I ignore.

[mdayonliner]

I think this man (tvplus006  - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1311641) has to be a part of your list. He is doing is really useful and really hard work everyday, without holidays.

Almost all of his posting is to do with bounty and other stuff that is clogging up the forum. I think it's time he took a long holidy. Fortunately nearly all of his posts are on boards that I ignore.

I had the same feeling like Jet Cash for this user tvplus006, after seeing the merit buttons on the table associated with his new 🔥 THE TABLE OF NEW BOUNTIES  🚀☀️ topic. It's kind of off forum merit asking IMO however it's clear the user has determination and is putting a lot of efforts on maintaining that topic.

[DdmrDdmr]

<...>

mdayonliner, as a complement to your list, I believe the following 19 people have become Full Members starting from 0 (some you have already listed):

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user_id    name                     posts       activity    merit       rank              DateCreated                   MeritReceived  
1582324    DdmrDdmr                 452         140         351         Full Member       2018-01-04 14:28:20.000       351     
1560793    sncc                     339         168         315         Full Member       2018-01-01 16:24:19.000       315     
1554927    bitmover                 724         126         204         Full Member       2017-12-31 11:09:51.000       204     
1424178    mole0815                 825         182         139         Full Member       2017-12-12 14:59:25.000       139     
1499733    ToTheMoon_XOM9IK         1338        168         127         Full Member       2017-12-22 21:08:10.000       127     
1764764    esmanthra                729         140         119         Full Member       2018-01-28 04:08:27.000       117     
1381008    LastJedi                 280         182         122         Full Member       2017-12-05 02:10:06.000       112     
1762404    Alex_Sr                  244         140         111         Full Member       2018-01-27 14:06:44.000       111     
1432468    mdayonliner              907         182         109         Full Member       2017-12-14 09:18:19.000       109     
1728877    lemonrabid               1099        140         106         Full Member       2018-01-22 07:22:36.000       106     
1580039    asche                    788         154         106         Full Member       2018-01-04 08:00:55.000       106     
1437751    udivkx                   251         168         105         Full Member       2017-12-15 08:18:56.000       105     
1393407    JaoBadjap                548         182         105         Full Member       2017-12-07 12:25:44.000       105     
1410806    Avatar2030               486         182         104         Full Member       2017-12-10 12:18:50.000       104     
1410604    Incognito01              445         182         103         Full Member       2017-12-10 11:24:16.000       103     
1428236    Ekaterinat               479         182         101         Full Member       2017-12-13 09:50:02.000       101     
1617346    YulyNov                  547         154         101         Full Member       2018-01-07 17:39:27.000       101     
1462029    Urbinklin                184         168         100         Full Member       2017-12-18 12:41:36.000       100     
1380108    Early_Waffle             381         182         100         Full Member       2017-12-04 19:50:41.000       100     

There are also at least 590 users that have ranked-up to Members using the Merit System. I've only focused on users created from the 27/11/2017 onwards, since they started off from a rank with no associated Merit (thus some names from your list are missing in mine).

I would have liked to derive the complete user list, but unfortunately, this cannot be answered completely due to the lack of a snapshot created just when the Merit System kicked-off  (i.e. User, rank, activity, airdrop, etc.).

There are bound to exists more cases, at all rank levels, but it's quite a gruesome task to try to find out exactly who they are without making plenty of mistakes, due to the lack of the above stated information.

[mdayonliner]

<...>

mdayonliner, as a complement to your list, I believe the following 19 people have become Full Members starting from 0 (some you have already listed):

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user_id    name                     posts       activity    merit       rank              DateCreated                   MeritReceived  
1582324    DdmrDdmr                 452         140         351         Full Member       2018-01-04 14:28:20.000       351     
1560793    sncc                     339         168         315         Full Member       2018-01-01 16:24:19.000       315     
1554927    bitmover                 724         126         204         Full Member       2017-12-31 11:09:51.000       204     
1424178    mole0815                 825         182         139         Full Member       2017-12-12 14:59:25.000       139     
1499733    ToTheMoon_XOM9IK         1338        168         127         Full Member       2017-12-22 21:08:10.000       127     
1764764    esmanthra                729         140         119         Full Member       2018-01-28 04:08:27.000       117     
1381008    LastJedi                 280         182         122         Full Member       2017-12-05 02:10:06.000       112     
1762404    Alex_Sr                  244         140         111         Full Member       2018-01-27 14:06:44.000       111     
1432468    mdayonliner              907         182         109         Full Member       2017-12-14 09:18:19.000       109     
1728877    lemonrabid               1099        140         106         Full Member       2018-01-22 07:22:36.000       106     
1580039    asche                    788         154         106         Full Member       2018-01-04 08:00:55.000       106     
1437751    udivkx                   251         168         105         Full Member       2017-12-15 08:18:56.000       105     
1393407    JaoBadjap                548         182         105         Full Member       2017-12-07 12:25:44.000       105     
1410806    Avatar2030               486         182         104         Full Member       2017-12-10 12:18:50.000       104     
1410604    Incognito01              445         182         103         Full Member       2017-12-10 11:24:16.000       103     
1428236    Ekaterinat               479         182         101         Full Member       2017-12-13 09:50:02.000       101     
1617346    YulyNov                  547         154         101         Full Member       2018-01-07 17:39:27.000       101     
1462029    Urbinklin                184         168         100         Full Member       2017-12-18 12:41:36.000       100     
1380108    Early_Waffle             381         182         100         Full Member       2017-12-04 19:50:41.000       100     

There are also at least 590 users that have ranked-up to Members using the Merit System. I've only focused on users created from the 27/11/2017 onwards, since they started off from a rank with no associated Merit (thus some names from your list are missing in mine).

I would have liked to derive the complete user list, but unfortunately, this cannot be answered completely due to the lack of a snapshot created just when the Merit System kicked-off  (i.e. User, rank, activity, airdrop, etc.).

There are bound to exists more cases, at all rank levels, but it's quite a gruesome task to try to find out exactly who they are without making plenty of mistakes, due to the lack of the above stated information.

Thanks mate, you rock! I will soon update the list. Thanks for your input again. Much appreciated.

[petyang12]

If merit is that exciting to you for you to make a post about getting 100(to earn more, no doubt), maybe you shouldn't have received any.

Merit is a reward for good posting, but it shouldn't be the sole focus of your time here, which seems to be the case.

You are right indeed but mdayonliner did not focus on merit alone. I did see mdayonliner's post help other people in this forum. Mdayonliner did contribute to this forum that is why he earn merits. Most members agree to mdayonliner's post and then give merit not because all did find mday's post helpful.

[DdmrDdmr]

<...> I will soon update the list. <...>

I forgot to point out that 5 of the listed cases are tagged by DT for some reason or other ... 26,31% of them. Dammit, just when we wanted to bring some good news around ...

[coinlocket$]

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user_id    name                     posts       activity    merit       rank              DateCreated                   MeritReceived  
1582324    DdmrDdmr                 452         140         351         Full Member       2018-01-04 14:28:20.000       351     
1560793    sncc                     339         168         315         Full Member       2018-01-01 16:24:19.000       315     
1554927    bitmover                 724         126         204         Full Member       2017-12-31 11:09:51.000       204     
1424178    mole0815                 825         182         139         Full Member       2017-12-12 14:59:25.000       139     
1499733    ToTheMoon_XOM9IK         1338        168         127         Full Member       2017-12-22 21:08:10.000       127     
1764764    esmanthra                729         140         119         Full Member       2018-01-28 04:08:27.000       117     
1381008    LastJedi                 280         182         122         Full Member       2017-12-05 02:10:06.000       112     
1762404    Alex_Sr                  244         140         111         Full Member       2018-01-27 14:06:44.000       111     
1432468    mdayonliner              907         182         109         Full Member       2017-12-14 09:18:19.000       109     
1728877    lemonrabid               1099        140         106         Full Member       2018-01-22 07:22:36.000       106     
1580039    asche                    788         154         106         Full Member       2018-01-04 08:00:55.000       106     
1437751    udivkx                   251         168         105         Full Member       2017-12-15 08:18:56.000       105     
1393407    JaoBadjap               548         182         105         Full Member       2017-12-07 12:25:44.000       105     
1410806    Avatar2030               486         182         104         Full Member       2017-12-10 12:18:50.000       104     
1410604    Incognito01              445         182         103         Full Member       2017-12-10 11:24:16.000       103     
1428236    Ekaterinat               479         182         101         Full Member       2017-12-13 09:50:02.000       101     
1617346    YulyNov                  547         154         101         Full Member       2018-01-07 17:39:27.000       101     
1462029    Urbinklin                184         168         100         Full Member       2017-12-18 12:41:36.000       100     
1380108    Early_Waffle             381         182         100         Full Member       2017-12-04 19:50:41.000       100     

19 People
5 Already tagged as merit abusing

Urbinklin  
udivkx  
asche
LastJedi    
ToTheMoon_XOM9IK

And 1 or 2 that can be tagged easly
JaoBadjap      <- easy
Early_Waffle   <- harder

For almost 40% of abusers!  

[sheenshane]

Congrats to OP, working hard on the forum and now he has a full member rank, his motivation to have some merit that makes easy to rank up. I agreed that what pharma said he has a good post that deserving to have smerit.
Just a short time you are now a full member mate job well done, I saluted at you.

I hope you are the one who becomes an inspiration to newbie members here start with zero merit and now officially full member rank.

[LoyceV]

For almost 40% of abusers!  

I can only say that means the system works. Abusers get caught, legit users are scarce. But that was to be expected.

I'm especially suspicious if people got exactly 100 or 250 merit in a few bit chunks, and then stopped receiving anything. That most likely means they traded to fill their exact needs.

I would have liked to derive the complete user list, but unfortunately, this cannot be answered completely due to the lack of a snapshot created just when the Merit System kicked-off  (i.e. User, rank, activity, airdrop, etc.).

There are bound to exists more cases, at all rank levels, but it's quite a gruesome task to try to find out exactly who they are without making plenty of mistakes, due to the lack of the above stated information.

It's still on my TODO: combining theymos' data dump and the current merit amounts in each profile is enough to determine the Merit airdrop for each user, which is enough to deduce their "starting" rank.
I've been postponing this for too long, I hope to find some time tomorrow. I'm very curious to see stats on who ranked up.
Once I get it all figured out, I'll include it in my weekly updates.

[coinlocket$]

I can only say that means the system works. Abusers get caught, legit users are scarce. But that was to be expected.

I'm especially suspicious if people got exactly 100 or 250 merit in a few bit chunks, and then stopped receiving anything. That most likely means they traded to fill their exact needs.

Yes is working great but we (as forum in this cause, you DT members) need to be more strict to punish abusers.
Also maybe we need to add/change some sources? This month we have less sMerit distribuited than sMerit generated.

[LoyceV]

Yes is working great  but we (or better, you DT members) need to be more strict to punish abusers.

I remember this:

Merit sales, transfers to aliases, back-and-forth trading, etc. are not much of an issue. All illegitimate merit will decay, and will account for a tiny and very expensive fraction of the total merit economy. It's basically a rounding error; fight it where convenient, but waste no sleep over it.

I've been on DT2 for 2 months now, and only tag red on accounts that I believe deserve it without a doubt. So far I haven't tagged merit abusers, and I'm not planning on changing that. I do like how the 5 merit abusers received red trust from 5 different DT-members. That seems better than all of it coming from the same person.

[mdayonliner]

I forgot to point out that 5 of the listed cases are tagged by DT for some reason or other ... 26,31% of them. Dammit, just when we wanted to bring some good news around ...

19 People
5 Already tagged as merit abusing

Urbinklin  
udivkx  
asche
LastJedi    
ToTheMoon_XOM9IK

And 1 or 2 that can be tagged easly
JaoBadjap      <- easy
Early_Waffle   <- harder

For almost 40% of abusers!  

Well guys, I will say it's more!!!
Unfortunately it 15/24 are questionable (!!!) Check yourself.

It's a big question (?) how these members are misusing merits.

Yes is working great but we (as forum in this cause, you DT members) need to be more strict to punish abusers.

Wish they would. These merit abusers has their own excuses and lately I noticed IT WORKS. I feel in need of shifting my energy to something else.

[xtraelv]

I forgot to point out that 5 of the listed cases are tagged by DT for some reason or other ... 26,31% of them. Dammit, just when we wanted to bring some good news around ...

19 People
5 Already tagged as merit abusing

Urbinklin  
udivkx  
asche
LastJedi    
ToTheMoon_XOM9IK

And 1 or 2 that can be tagged easly
JaoBadjap      <- easy
Early_Waffle   <- harder

For almost 40% of abusers!  

Well guys, I will say it's more!!!
Unfortunately it 15/24 are questionable (!!!) Check yourself.

It's a big question (?) how these members are misusing merits.

Yes is working great but we (as forum in this cause, you DT members) need to be more strict to punish abusers.

Wish they would. These merit abusers has their own excuses and lately I noticed IT WORKS. I feel in need of shifting my energy to something else.

Probably more. Does copy and paste of copyrighted material deserve a merit ? How much is required for it to be plagiarism ?
I'm not making accusations - I'm asking a genuine question.
There are genuine reasons to copy and paste and it is unpleasant to have to click a link to go to an article but there are also copyright to be considered.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3229077.msg33604305#msg33604305
Each part of the post contains a substantial part of the text from the source.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3227373.msg33573324#msg33573324
http://www.interaksyon.com/bsp-requires-banks-to-set-up-e-payment-channels/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3490334.msg36141910#msg36141910
http://www.statdomain.org/wiki/index.php/Silk_Road

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3240404.msg33745494#msg33745494
https://bitpinas.com/cryptocurrency/cryptocurrency-wallet-philippines/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3239899.msg33740647#msg33740647
https://news.bitcoin.com/trading-cryptocurrencies-like-a-boss-takes-time-and-research/

[shahzadafzal]

Probably more. Does copy and paste of copyrighted material deserve a merit ? How much is required for it to be plagiarism ?
I'm not making accusations - I'm asking a genuine question.
--snip--

He is clearly citing the source so plagiarism is overruled, and for his efforts bringing up something to the community deserve merit (not everybody reading news)

Source
Be Positive

[xtraelv]

Probably more. Does copy and paste of copyrighted material deserve a merit ? How much is required for it to be plagiarism ?
I'm not making accusations - I'm asking a genuine question.
--snip--

He is clearly citing the source so plagiarism is overruled, and for his efforts bringing up something to the community deserve merit (not everybody reading news)

Source
Be Positive

So plagiarism would be the wrong word. Copyright infringement ? I agree it is newsworthy and clicking links is a pain.

Yes is working great  but we (or better, you DT members) need to be more strict to punish abusers.

I remember this:

Merit sales, transfers to aliases, back-and-forth trading, etc. are not much of an issue. All illegitimate merit will decay, and will account for a tiny and very expensive fraction of the total merit economy. It's basically a rounding error; fight it where convenient, but waste no sleep over it.

I've been on DT2 for 2 months now, and only tag red on accounts that I believe deserve it without a doubt. So far I haven't tagged merit abusers, and I'm not planning on changing that. I do like how the 5 merit abusers received red trust from 5 different DT-members. That seems better than all of it coming from the same person.

I agree that the system overall works. Anyone rising rapidly would require some of the merits from DT2 members and smerit sources to level up quickly. There are not enough merits floating around to do it without obvious systematic abuse.

There is a risk that too much tagging for spam or merit will make the real $ scammers look more legitimate.

[Alex_Sr]

This is an on going list. Feel free to post the details of new members who achieved 100 or 100+ merits from 0.

Member(u=)	Specialty1	isQuestionable?2	DT Red Tag
Alex_Sr(u=1762404)		YES

¹_{In my opinion, if you have better idea about the individuals specialty please let me know.}
²_{The members merit gains are questionable. Not someone to take encouragement. I will request the community to investigate and suggest me to remove YES if my input is wrong.} 

Don't want to repeat what has already been discussed in another topic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2896910.msg32771539#msg32771539

USER PROFILE : Alex_Sr   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1762404
MERIT SUMMARY : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=1762404

NOTES: Almost all his merits have received from xandry. How come?

And almost all points for deleted threads, so he was either spamming and each of his posts got later merited by xandry, or he was posting and deleting everything after getting merited so it's impossible to find out what he was merited for and argue whether the post deserved it or not. Either way it looks like abuse.
This is also interesting https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=382413
Maybe xandry could tell us why almost all posts that he's meriting get deleted.

The moderator xandry gives merit for helping in moderating the forum. Russian section of the forum is very big sizes. And we promptly report the posts or threads violate the forum rules. For that sometimes he get merit.
P.S. Sorry for my English.

P.S. Statistics of my reports are available to administrators

mdayonliner, do you have any more questions?

Maybe you don't trust the forum administrator which is appointed xandry staff of the Russian section of the forum?

[DdmrDdmr]

On the whole, the Merit System seems to be working as a double-edged sword:

- On the one side, less people are ranking-up (and I’m not just talking about the younger members), and at a slower pace too. Those that do rank-up, put quite a bit of effort into it, so from the Forum’s content perspective that is something favourable.
- On the other side, numbers are pretty low, and even worse if we dissect the profiles of ranked-up members and determine that a large amount are DT tagged or suspicious to say the least.

Talking about suspicious cases of merit abuse and plagiarism, as can be seen on this thread and multiple around, we can encounter endless loop situations where by one is detected as suspicious and reported multiple times overtime for the same facts, even if the case is cleared or, at least, not proven wrongful without a shade of doubt.
Here again, we have the double edged-sword:

-   If they are not re-reported, they may be left aside as unresolved and thus remain exempt.
-   If they are re-reported it’s easier for them to be looked into, but innocent cases could incur in the endless loop situation.

Since there is no "global ledger" with the cases and their status of resolution, and a protocol that is guided by it’s use, endless loop situations will occur. But because there are no crystalline rules on how to proceed, so will the abuse continue as a means to bypass the difficulties of getting merited.

So plagiarism would be the wrong word. Copyright infringement ? I agree it is newsworthy and clicking links is a pain.

As shahzadafzal stated, the posts your quote always reference the article source, so there is no real issue here. Most of the news sections do the same, or even sections like "the wall observer" where it is often done in a graphical manner. Informative posts that cite the source should be that, informative, and could lead to getting good debates in motion.

[Welsh]

On the whole, the Merit System seems to be working as a double-edged sword:

- On the one side, less people are ranking-up (and I’m not just talking about the younger members), and at a slower pace too. Those that do rank-up, put quite a bit of effort into it, so from the Forum’s content perspective that is something favourable.
- On the other side, numbers are pretty low, and even worse if we dissect the profiles of ranked-up members and determine that a large amount are DT tagged or suspicious to say the least.

Content has got much better since the introduction of the merit system, however regarding users ranking up slower; That's working as intended, although it might be true that only exceptional members are going to rank up multiple times we should see an improvement in this when there's a few hundred merit sources.  

Since there is no "global ledger" with the cases and their status of resolution, and a protocol that is guided by it’s use, endless loop situations will occur. But because there are no crystalline rules on how to proceed, so will the abuse continue as a means to bypass the difficulties of getting merited.

Low amounts of merit being traded between alts isn't a problem as they'll likely run out of sMerit before they rank up any of their accounts. If they are trading a large amount between their accounts then this should be fairly easy to recognize. The users that feel they need to trade merit between themselves aren't likely to put in the effort to get external merit either.

[mdayonliner]

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xtraelv, use search option and find related topics about your concern. If my memory serves me right then we already have a topic where we talked about plagiarism and citing. Don't ask question here and there which makes you sounding stupid. Please back off!

These people proved themselves to the community, they care about the community. They are not shamelessly using bitcoinTalk and its resources to promote some shitty/shady exchange.

You have problem with me not with others. Deal with me! Let them enjoy on what they are good at.

I will give you a week from now to until 31 May, 7 days from now (Countdown)

You still have following time left.


PS: I see you removed the original tag and tagged me with a new one without even waiting for my feedback where I gave you 7 days of time to finish your investigation. Seems like you have done with your investigation but too coward to wait for my response? Or it's a Moral hazard from your side?
update1:
Good to see that you are working to improve yourself: Most iconic bitcointalk threads. archive
But again, if my memory serves me right then there is already a similar topic. Your the search option.

update2:
Legendary profiles of bitcointalk.  <=== Thought to save your time.