[SOLD] KNCMiner Saturn 320 GH/s - Immediate Shipping

[elasticband]

Sorry but I don't know last news about John K.
I'm of the opinion that no escrow is better and faster

sebasitian JU, he is germany based, so same time zone as you and I

I am based in NL.

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[degosa]

I received offers for 6 BTC someone offers more?

For the Escrow:
I would prefer not to use the escrow because I'm the only one that is not protected by this process.
The buyer can cheat both me and the Escrow saying that there is something broken in the Saturn, keep my good one and send me back one that had already broken.
Or mine with my Saturn for a few days and after send it back with any excuse.

The right process for me:
The buyer can be access remotely to the Saturn so you can view that everything works perfectly.
After the buyer checked, send me the BTC and I send the Saturn.

[elasticband]

I received offers for 6 BTC someone offers more?

For the Escrow:
I would prefer not to use the escrow because I'm the only one that is not protected by this process.
The buyer can cheat both me and the Escrow saying that there is something broken in the Saturn, keep my good one and send me back one that had already broken.
Or mine with my Saturn for a few days and after send it back with any excuse.

This is not true at all.

Sorry but without typical escrow for a deal like this by bids are not valid, and i am sure anyone else who bid asking for escorow would say the same.

without escrow my bid would be about half as it is a pure gamble

[mpattison]

I received offers for 6 BTC someone offers more?

For the Escrow:
I would prefer not to use the escrow because I'm the only one that is not protected by this process.
The buyer can cheat both me and the Escrow saying that there is something broken in the Saturn, keep my good one and send me back one that had already broken.
Or mine with my Saturn for a few days and after send it back with any excuse.

The right process for me:
The buyer can be access remotely to the Saturn so you can view that everything works perfectly.
After the buyer checked, send me the BTC and I send the Saturn.

This is so taboo to speak of around here.
The drawbacks of escrowing.

This forum is very hostile towards anyone who even questions the authenticity of escrowing.  The burden of negotiating and transacting in good faith falls squarely on the shoulders of sellers.  The fact is, I was nearly scammed of my 2 Jupiters less than 3 weeks ago from a "verified" escrow service.

A trade-swap with faulty hardware, like you pointed out, certainly does scare me.  This can be addressed by indicating privately to the escrow something that makes your device unique though.

Ultimately, it's a risk for the seller to sell using escrow, as opposed a risk to the buyer, without escrow.

Lots of sellers are scammers, lots of buyers are scammers.

The nature of the crypto-currency market.

Good luck with your sale.

[crashoveride54902]

Yep my offer withdrawn

[TehoM]

I received offers for 6 BTC someone offers more?

For the Escrow:
I would prefer not to use the escrow because I'm the only one that is not protected by this process.
The buyer can cheat both me and the Escrow saying that there is something broken in the Saturn, keep my good one and send me back one that had already broken.
Or mine with my Saturn for a few days and after send it back with any excuse.

The right process for me:
The buyer can be access remotely to the Saturn so you can view that everything works perfectly.
After the buyer checked, send me the BTC and I send the Saturn.

This is so taboo to speak of around here.
The drawbacks of escrowing.

This forum is very hostile towards anyone who even questions the authenticity of escrowing.  The burden of negotiating and transacting in good faith falls squarely on the shoulders of sellers.  The fact is, I was nearly scammed of my 2 Jupiters less than 3 weeks ago from a "verified" escrow service.

A trade-swap with faulty hardware, like you pointed out, certainly does scare me.  This can be addressed by indicating privately to the escrow something that makes your device unique though.

Ultimately, it's a risk for the seller to sell using escrow, as opposed a risk to the buyer, without escrow.

Lots of sellers are scammers, lots of buyers are scammers.

The nature of the crypto-currency market.

Good luck with your sale.

escrow bad

[kmacri]

Projects didn't nearly "swipe 500 BTC".  He did.

[clubminer]

what's payment method for buy it?  

[degosa]

The Saturn was sold to matt4054.
The delivery was made in person with pickups.
We will confirm when he will return to Switzerland that I am not a scammer as you thought.

[nitehawk]

so he flew from zurich just to buy your miner?

[degosa]

Yes, it came with the car.
He is a nice and great man.

[matt4054]

I confirm that I bought the KnC Saturn in hand from degosa. He was very nice and friendly, I'm pretty sure he's a trustworthy person to deal with, should he make any futures sales.

Yes, I did the long trip by car, and it cost me probably more than DHL Express, but I am in control of the whole buying process. Besides the shipping cost, I saved about $500 with a trick that I can't explain here (obvious is obvious for those who read between the lines).

Italy is a nice country to travel by car. The Tutor speed control system is amazing but strangely, the average speed on the left lane stays quite high Very nice sights and food, too bad I was too sleep deprived to enjoy it. Maybe next time...

So the deal went smoothly and I'm happy hashing with the unit. End of this story.

[jbah01]

Would not be so sure about the OP's trustworthyness..
I CALL HIM A LIAR!

The story: I sold OP a KNC preorder-spot (a nice low 3X order), he never paid, nor responded to email/pm thereafter.
He got a day 1 preorder as stated here:

@skat23

- Order #6404 (mi è stato cambiato più volte)
- Day 1
- 11/06 (Pagamento in ritardo per problemi con PayPal)

PM history tells the story:

Ok, i want 3x preorder and i offer you 0.5BTC + 10% of mining revenue for the first ten day of mining, but you send mail to kncminer, change order to me and i pay you.

This is my thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=231056.0

Write the agreement public, i haven't problem.

Hey,

I could tell you now and then do not keep the agreement but I'm not that kind of person.

I want to do things right and respect the agreements but your ask to sell preorder is too high.

This is my offer:
now 0.5BTC and 20% of mining for the first ten days = 0.5BTC + 3.6BTC according to your calculations

Total 4.1BTC if the difficulty does not increase more than expected.

At this value of change BTC/USD i'm offering about 500$ for preorder but keep in mind that in 4 months 3.6BTC could be worth $800.

If you agree I'll send you my data, so you can ask to change the preorder KNCMiner

Hey,
no no 0.02 USD I'll kill myself  

My email address is XXXXXXXXX(edit: Blanked email) , i've already an account on kncminer.com with this email address.
When preorder is changed on my name send PM, i verify and pay

Best regards,
Nicolas

I'm waiting for a confirmation from kncminer.
Why use still hide the numbers of order and pre-order if you made the transfer request?
What are the real numbers?

Only 30 minutes to deadline and KNCMiner don't respond  

I doesn't pay for Saturn because Customer Service yesterday doesn't reply me with confirm the preorder number  

--> Said he didn't pay, whilst later on the italian forum stating the exact opposite. --> LIAR!

--> So.. Mr did not order his saturn as 'no confirmation was given by KNC'. Believed him that far.  Turns out he lied, still he got 'my' day 1 saturn and ignores my messages!
I'd rather call him untrustworthy and a liar if he can get away with it. Don't deal with this guy unless face to face, he will scam if he can!

OP, if this is a misunderstanding feel free to contact me to keep your end of the bargain and I will rectify here.

[U1TRA_L0RD]

I received offers for 6 BTC someone offers more?

For the Escrow:
I would prefer not to use the escrow because I'm the only one that is not protected by this process.
The buyer can cheat both me and the Escrow saying that there is something broken in the Saturn, keep my good one and send me back one that had already broken.
Or mine with my Saturn for a few days and after send it back with any excuse.

This is not true at all.

Sorry but without typical escrow for a deal like this by bids are not valid, and i am sure anyone else who bid asking for escorow would say the same.

without escrow my bid would be about half as it is a pure gamble

Especially with a jr.

[degosa]

@jbah01
I continue to reiterate as I have said privately that i've bought an account of one friend which had paid a Saturn preorder, has shared his preorder after payment because he had financial problems.
As you know, i could not use your pre-order because has been changed after the closure of pre-orders.

Remember the reply of the KNCMiner Customer Service, this email has been sent to you:

Hi,
 
The transfer has been made. However, the 7 days payment window is now closed.
 
Thanks
Emilia
 
Med vänlig hälsning  |  Best regards
Emilia Cole 
Kncminer
www.kncminer.com
Office: +46 8559 253 20

Think what you want, this is the truth.

Do not contact me anymore, and no more afford to say that I am a scammer.

I sold Saturn to Matt in person and we all loved it, I'm an honest person and I'm not going to waste time with someone like you.