Obligatory I'm not dead or running post

[johnmatrix]

Maybe he lost the key to the coins.. anyway if that happened . He will gain more if he pays from his pocket than if he dissapears

[QuestionAuthority]

So any word from John the Dong yet?

[freedomno1]

So any word from John the Dong yet?

Nope been afk since he made this post a while back

[peter0021]

They said always use an escrow and you will be fine. But what if the escrow is the scammer.  

[hilariousandco]

They said always use an escrow and you will be fine. But what if the escrow is the scammer.  

I don't think escrow is ever claimed as foolproof, but I guarantee there would've been far more money scammed had people not used one.

[ReBoRn]

They said always use an escrow and you will be fine. But what if the escrow is the scammer.  

I don't think escrow is ever claimed as foolproof, but I guarantee there would've been far more money scammed had people not used one.

you are right but now more money is gone through this most legit escrow service provider we call John K 

[SaltySpitoon]

Held BTC for the forum.

Active and very trustworthy global moderator of this forum.

Again, "Trust" is just a great tool for crooks, and I've been suggesting much better ways to handle it, so this can't be considered as trolling.
theymos did give 2 thumbs up to JK, and they are still there.

Anyone joining today might fall for it, because of this completely broken trust system.

Having Trust in people you can't kick in the junk if they betray your trust is a flawed system. The trust system is just a feedback system, it isn't an absolute deciding factor in who you are safe dealing with. If you listened to the hundreds of people who gave John positive feedback for his prior work with them, its not the system's fault, and its not the people who gave him feedback's fault. Its his fault for whatever it is he is doing. People try to assign blame whenever something bad happens, but the only person to blame in this situation is John K.

[augustocroppo]

Excellent, just for future reference, is your junk available for kicking? do you publish your gov id and address? I noticed you are offering escrow services. Thanks

Where he is offering escrow service?

[tysat]

Excellent, just for future reference, is your junk available for kicking? do you publish your gov id and address? I noticed you are offering escrow services. Thanks

Where he is offering escrow service?

First line of his sig

[faiza1990]

Excellent, just for future reference, is your junk available for kicking? do you publish your gov id and address? I noticed you are offering escrow services. Thanks

Where he is offering escrow service?

You can check his signature he is offering escrow service and its long time he is doing this

[QuestionAuthority]

Excellent, just for future reference, is your junk available for kicking? do you publish your gov id and address? I noticed you are offering escrow services. Thanks

Where he is offering escrow service?

You can check his signature he is offering escrow service and its long time he is doing this

Not as long as John.

[SaltySpitoon]

Excellent, just for future reference, is your junk available for kicking? do you publish your gov id and address? I noticed you are offering escrow services. Thanks

Nope I do not, nor would I advise escrowing 100 BTC through my services. The only real trust is mathmatical logic, it has little to do with past performance. If I stand to make 1 BTC in the next month by operating legitimately, chances are I wont steal 1 BTC from someone as I'd be hurting myself financially in the long run. One's trust has a value, if you can calculate what someone's trust is worth, you can come up with how much you can reasonably safely risk with them.

I'm not trying to blame people for using John K. he was indeed the most trusted escrow agent around, handling far more BTC in a month than most people will ever see in a lifetime, my point was that trusting anyone that you can't hold personally responsible for their errors is a flawed system, myself included. Feedback here should be held in the same esteem as someone's Ebay ratings. Personally, I don't think he would run off with 100 BTC, because he could have easily run off with far more. However he may have also been holding other people's coins which could change his decision to run. That or he legitimately could be incredibly busy, I don't know.

[QuestionAuthority]

Excellent, just for future reference, is your junk available for kicking? do you publish your gov id and address? I noticed you are offering escrow services. Thanks

Nope I do not, nor would I advise escrowing 100 BTC through my services. The only real trust is mathmatical logic, it has little to do with past performance. If I stand to make 1 BTC in the next month by operating legitimately, chances are I wont steal 1 BTC from someone as I'd be hurting myself financially in the long run. One's trust has a value, if you can calculate what someone's trust is worth, you can come up with how much you can reasonably safely risk with them.

I'm not trying to blame people for using John K. he was indeed the most trusted escrow agent around, handling far more BTC in a month than most people will ever see in a lifetime, my point was that trusting anyone that you can't hold personally responsible for their errors is a flawed system, myself included. Feedback here should be held in the same esteem as someone's Ebay ratings. Personally, I don't think he would run off with 100 BTC, because he could have easily run off with far more. However he may have also been holding other people's coins which could change his decision to run. That or he legitimately could be incredibly busy, I don't know.

I think you would be a good escrow replacement for John. You're not the sharpest tool in the shed (you like altcoins too much  ) but you're honest. You know John could be in trouble too. He may come back with a great story to tell.

[RoxxR]

Why aren't we using things like Counterparty, which allows zero-trust escrow (as far as I can tell) and has even hired 2 core devs (Peter Todd and I forgot the second name) to conduct an in-depth security review of its code and protocol?

[augustocroppo]

OK, thank you for the responses. I have signatures disabled, so I was not aware that he was offering escrow service. This explain why SaltySpitoon and Theymos did not allow me to use the important announcements section to offer escrow service. Now I am sure that Theymos conspired with John K to establish a false sense of trust among the forum users. Once John K came out of scene, SaltySpitoon came in. Both are now conspiring together to deter the competition. Every piece of the puzzle is starting to fit together. Anyone reading SaltySpitoon post history will discover that he is always defending Theymos actions. It is also interesting to note that SaltySpitoon was promoted from staff directly to global moderator without any merit. This indicate that Theymos put him in a important position to instigate (again) a false sense of trust among the forum users. Keep in mind that John K was also a global moderator and that was essential to people trust him. So at this point it is obvious that SaltySpitoon has replaced John K.

[augustocroppo]

Nope I do not, nor would I advise escrowing 100 BTC through my services. The only real trust is mathmatical logic, it has little to do with past performance.

I advise anyone looking for an escrow service to avoid agents which are not willing to identify themselves.

[SaltySpitoon]

OK, thank you for the responses. I have signatures disabled, so I was not aware that he was offering escrow service. This explain why SaltySpitoon and Theymos did not allow me to use the important announcements section to offer escrow service. Now I am sure that Theymos conspired with John K to establish a false sense of trust among the forum users. Once John K came out of scene, SaltySpitoon came in. Both are now conspiring together to deter the competition. Every piece of the puzzle is starting to fit together. Anyone reading SaltySpitoon post history will discover that he is always defending Theymos actions. It is also interesting to note that SaltySpitoon was promoted from staff directly to global moderator without any merit. This indicate that Theymos put him in a important position to instigate (again) a false sense of trust among the forum users. Keep in mind that John K was also a global moderator and that was essential to people trust him. So at this point it is obvious that SaltySpitoon has replaced John K.

No, you weren't allowed to use it for the reason that Theymos said, Important announcements are available to Staff/VIP/Donators to post in, but it is for things that are generally significant to Bitcoin as a whole, IE MTGox shutting down, or QT updates and the likes, its not for anyone to advertise their own businesses. I have not replaced John K, nor do I wish to. I wont accept large escrow amounts that I couldn't pay off if something happened to the coins, as I dont want to risk my reputation on any sort of error that I could make.

I defend Theymos because I like the guy and trust his judgements, however if you haven't noticed I have been critical in his new forum decisions. One of the reasons that I like Theymos, is he doesn't care if people question him (including staff) he like myself is open to any argument, and doesn't hold grudges when people question him or go against whatever plans he has. I'm an incredibly neutral person on most things, which is why I got the job as the Alt Coin moderator in the first place about a year and a half ago (November 2012), because I could fairly deal with the squabbling between coins that I may have had some sort of bias towards. I was promoted to Global Mod a bit after a year of working in the busiest section on BTCTalk, maintaining a generally positive history of handling situations responsibly, and fixing my mistakes responsibly. John K was a global moderator far before myself, and was promoted to Administrator before I became a global mod.

I don't do anywhere near the volume of escrow deals as John K, and the main reason people use my service is because I tend to be available for a large part of the day, and actively communicate with the people I'm working with to make sure everything is transparent for all parties. I gained what starting reputation I had by trading metals and buying/selling various other things on the forum. I started doing escrow for my friends before I became a moderator, and I am a large advocate of the escrow system (check most of my sales threads or threads where I buy things, I ask to use the service of another escrow agent) and I'm not dilusional by the sheer fact that my reputation has a calulated value that people shouldn't feel comfortable having me hold as well, and it is well below 100 BTC.

Nope I do not, nor would I advise escrowing 100 BTC through my services. The only real trust is mathmatical logic, it has little to do with past performance.

I advise anyone looking for an escrow service to avoid agents which are not willing to identify themselves.

Agreed.

[augustocroppo]

Bla bla bla

Yawn...

 

You lost any moral ground to argue with me. I had some respect for you before, but now I am sure you are in bed with Theymos. Your constant excuses and justifications is why people like Theymos is not held accountable for their actions.

[SaltySpitoon]

Bla bla bla

Yawn...

 

You lost any moral ground to argue with me. I had some respect for you before, but now I am sure you are in bed with Theymos. Your constant excuses and justifications is why people like Theymos is not held accountable for their actions.

See, I don't have to defend myself, because I don't especially care what you think, but when someone asks you a question about your decision making, and you can't answer it, thats when you know you need to change your own decision making process. I answered all of your points, so I am affirmed in my process.  

ie, I should have had to earn your respect in some way or another. Next time, don't automatically give me any, I haven't done the same for you.

Thank you.

*edit* also, if you would like to continue to discuss, I'd be happy to. But I feel we are derailing this thread, so we can start a new thread, or communicate via pm. Although, it won't be a very good discussion if either you or I don't read each other's responses.

[CoinDiver]

I guess he's now dead or running?