NXT discussion: allocate funds for following projects from unclaimed coins

[Anon136]

Yes, we should add more to the list if needs be.  I think we should give QBTC 100k now for Nxtcrytp site and to keep everything up and running.  Passion when Nxtvote is fully operational.  l8orre when the asset exchange is released (should be soon).

What features do you want for NXTvote? It is already fully operational.

Is it possible to make free voting? Even it Soviet Union it was free to vote

even if we ignore the spam problem, free voting is its self less desirable than voting which entails a cost. the cost insures that people are not voting arbitrarily. it insures that they actually care about what they are voting about and so have probably done atleast SOME amount of cursory research on the topic before taking a position so strong that they are willing to pay to voice it.

If someone would like to spam the network he could use the max sized AM for ex.
I am okay with paying the fee for the voting creation (to prevent the spam), but paying for the participation in voting? I already do pay the transaction fee for the voting, why should i pay even more? Oh and the Passion_ltc could vote for free at any stake size since he will get his money back anyway.
If you are interested in raising the costs of the voting - then you could do the favor for the forgers and you could calculate voting power based on transaction fee.

Ok so its difficult to make any claims about what the ideal amount is that voters should be charged in order to get the best outcomes. I have no idea what the right amount is. Maybe the 1 nxt tx fee is perfect, maybe its more than it ought to be, maybe its less than it ought to be.  Inorder to find out that would require some sort of market discovery process which would be difficult if not imposable in this context. The point is just that when voting entails no cost people tend to vote based on aesthetic considerations. When voting entails a cost than they tend to be less likely to vote based on aesthetic considerations and more likely to vote based on conviction. Of course there is no guarantee that they will be right just because they have conviction. But there is a strong correlation between conviction and having done atleast SOME amount of research on the topic.

This lecture deals with some of these topics and is very well worth an hour of anyone life who isnt already familiar with these arguments. It very well may be one of the most important videos you ever watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVCSfaWF2bA

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[Passion_ltc]

Yes, we should add more to the list if needs be.  I think we should give QBTC 100k now for Nxtcrytp site and to keep everything up and running.  Passion when Nxtvote is fully operational.  l8orre when the asset exchange is released (should be soon).

What features do you want for NXTvote? It is already fully operational.

Is it possible to make free voting? Even it Soviet Union it was free to vote

even if we ignore the spam problem, free voting is its self less desirable than voting which entails a cost. the cost insures that people are not voting arbitrarily. it insures that they actually care about what they are voting about and so have probably done atleast SOME amount of cursory research on the topic before taking a position so strong that they are willing to pay to voice it.

If someone would like to spam the network he could use the max sized AM for ex.
I am okay with paying the fee for the voting creation (to prevent the spam), but paying for the participation in voting? I already do pay the transaction fee for the voting, why should i pay even more? Oh and the Passion_ltc could vote for free at any stake size since he will get his money back anyway.
If you are interested in raising the costs of the voting - then you could do the favor for the forgers and you could calculate voting power based on transaction fee.

Ok so its difficult to make any claims about what the ideal amount is that voters should be charged in order to get the best outcomes. I have no idea what the right amount is. Maybe the 1 nxt tx fee is perfect, maybe its more than it ought to be, maybe its less than it ought to be.  Inorder to find out that would require some sort of market discovery process which would be difficult if not imposable in this context. The point is just that when voting entails no cost people tend to vote based on aesthetic considerations. When voting entails a cost than they tend to be less likely to vote based on aesthetic considerations and more likely to vote based on conviction. Of course there is no guarantee that they will be right just because they have conviction. But there is a strong correlation between conviction and having done atleast SOME amount of research on the topic.

This lecture deals with some of these topics and is very well worth an hour of anyone life who isnt already familiar with these arguments. It very well may be one of the most important videos you ever watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVCSfaWF2bA

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It is possible to make it free to vote. But then A) everything gets more complicated and B) more spam.

It would be nice to have more options when voting.  Have you considered using authorization tokens?  Would make it possible to do account-based and stake-based voting.  For example, the user of account 1492674458095041639 would generate the following authorization token for website tipnxt.com/vote345 :

Code:

3iiso4mjifm0048bpftfb0pvgcs2snpqodqa9129sebb8u18de4ne1pa9qla63o0j0vukrr1bl139oeoq2ifa23ob7fkllh2k96kc93vbblg29of2h1dd57k2221u52pldjuck49qnppr5vusomdejpj5h66j2j2

You can then decode the token using the API (or /admin.html in NRS) with the token and website: tipnxt.com/vote345 to get JSON.

Code:

{
    "timestamp": 7047543,
    "valid": true,
    "account": "1492674458095041639"
}

For your consideration.

Yea I already worked with the token system and know how it works.

This would be a possibility to implement different voting options. Currently the site is not used at all. Please respond if you are DEEPLY interested into this kind of voting. I have many other projects running and can't waste time on something nobody is using.

[CoinTropolis_JustaBitTime]

Charity Project

Please add (not sure if this would be considered a project, however, it is essential for the next wave of marketing):

Nxt Charity – Songs of Love
Goal: $10k in Nxt (approx. 170k)

Charity Details:

http://www.songsoflove.org/

“The Songs of Love Foundation is a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing personalized songs for children and teens currently facing tough medical, physical or emotional challenges, free of charge.”
The Songs of Love Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization

Escrow:
Marketing lead Salsacz will hold the funds in escrow at this address:

Added Bonus:
If we raise $10k or more, we’ll be official sponsors for the Songs of Love Charity LA Benefit located here:
https://www.songsoflove.org/LA/

Look at that lineup, live performances by Grammy nominated artists such as Blue Cantrell.  Helping kids while getting a massive amount of press coverage is just a golden opportunity for our community. Imagine the press coverage we’ll get before the (emailing our 200+ media contacts), during and after event. The right thing to do is a win/win for everyone.

Action:

Salsa will hold coins in escrow and then transfer them to the charity.

CoinTropolis is starting the party off with 10k Nxt.

Additional:
We’re already developing press releases and building strategies around this event.

[msin]

Charity Project

Please add (not sure if this would be considered a project, however, it is essential for the next wave of marketing):

Nxt Charity – Songs of Love
Goal: $10k in Nxt (approx. 170k)

Charity Details:

http://www.songsoflove.org/

“The Songs of Love Foundation is a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing personalized songs for children and teens currently facing tough medical, physical or emotional challenges, free of charge.”
The Songs of Love Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization

Escrow:
Marketing lead Salsacz will hold the funds in escrow at this address:

Added Bonus:
If we raise $10k or more, we’ll be official sponsors for the Songs of Love Charity LA Benefit located here:
https://www.songsoflove.org/LA/

Look at that lineup, live performances by Grammy nominated artists such as Blue Cantrell.  Helping kids while getting a massive amount of press coverage is just a golden opportunity for our community. Imagine the press coverage we’ll get before the (emailing our 200+ media contacts), during and after event. The right thing to do is a win/win for everyone.

Action:

Salsa will hold coins in escrow and then transfer them to the charity.

CoinTropolis is starting the party off with 10k Nxt.

Additional:
We’re already developing press releases and building strategies around this event.

I think its a great cause, but I don't see this as being very relevant to our target market whatsoever.  Its a charity cause, which I think is good, but I don't see it bringing any new people to Nxt. I've never heard of Songs of Love or Blue Cantrell.  I'm not trying to be negative, but I don't see the relevance, especially for $10k.  Plus on their main site they have a bunch of crypto's listed, so it doesn't seem like a very unique opportunity.

[CoinTropolis_JustaBitTime]

Charity Project

Please add (not sure if this would be considered a project, however, it is essential for the next wave of marketing):

Nxt Charity – Songs of Love
Goal: $10k in Nxt (approx. 170k)

Charity Details:

http://www.songsoflove.org/

“The Songs of Love Foundation is a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing personalized songs for children and teens currently facing tough medical, physical or emotional challenges, free of charge.”
The Songs of Love Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization

Escrow:
Marketing lead Salsacz will hold the funds in escrow at this address:

Added Bonus:
If we raise $10k or more, we’ll be official sponsors for the Songs of Love Charity LA Benefit located here:
https://www.songsoflove.org/LA/

Look at that lineup, live performances by Grammy nominated artists such as Blue Cantrell.  Helping kids while getting a massive amount of press coverage is just a golden opportunity for our community. Imagine the press coverage we’ll get before the (emailing our 200+ media contacts), during and after event. The right thing to do is a win/win for everyone.

Action:

Salsa will hold coins in escrow and then transfer them to the charity.

CoinTropolis is starting the party off with 10k Nxt.

Additional:
We’re already developing press releases and building strategies around this event.

I think its a great cause, but I don't see this as being very relevant to our target market whatsoever.  Its a charity cause, which I think is good, but I don't see it bringing any new people to Nxt. I've never heard of Songs of Love or Blue Cantrell.  I'm not trying to be negative, but I don't see the relevance, especially for $10k.  Plus on their main site they have a bunch of crypto's listed, so it doesn't seem like a very unique opportunity.

I'd be happy to address it since this is one of my specializations. If you want to break mainstream news, you need to give writers a story. In our own Nxt bubble, it's easy to get frustrated about the lack of coverage we get when we send out news... but to be honest, that's just not how the world works. Dogecoin understands this intimately with their recent charity drives and news.  I've made the phone calls (my experience can be tracked through both Feathercoin and Peercoin) and it's always the same thing... they want something big to write about.

There's a reason professional poker focused so much on charity events as it fought to become more mainstream. The goodwill generated from events like this make life much easier for PR teams.  If this community decides to pass on it, that's fine.. but it's a mistake from an ROI perspective. It's not about the event, it's about everything around it.

As for Blue Cantrell, well, that's entirely different point. While I appreciate (and live) geek culture, mainstream news that covers mainstream audiences is exactly who I would like to target.

Check my history with Sunny King with Peercoin, I know what I'm talking about in this realm. Either way, I appreciate the consideration.

[msin]

Charity Project

Please add (not sure if this would be considered a project, however, it is essential for the next wave of marketing):

Nxt Charity – Songs of Love
Goal: $10k in Nxt (approx. 170k)

Charity Details:

http://www.songsoflove.org/

“The Songs of Love Foundation is a nonprofit organization dedicated to providing personalized songs for children and teens currently facing tough medical, physical or emotional challenges, free of charge.”
The Songs of Love Foundation is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization

Escrow:
Marketing lead Salsacz will hold the funds in escrow at this address:

Added Bonus:
If we raise $10k or more, we’ll be official sponsors for the Songs of Love Charity LA Benefit located here:
https://www.songsoflove.org/LA/

Look at that lineup, live performances by Grammy nominated artists such as Blue Cantrell.  Helping kids while getting a massive amount of press coverage is just a golden opportunity for our community. Imagine the press coverage we’ll get before the (emailing our 200+ media contacts), during and after event. The right thing to do is a win/win for everyone.

Action:

Salsa will hold coins in escrow and then transfer them to the charity.

CoinTropolis is starting the party off with 10k Nxt.

Additional:
We’re already developing press releases and building strategies around this event.

I think its a great cause, but I don't see this as being very relevant to our target market whatsoever.  Its a charity cause, which I think is good, but I don't see it bringing any new people to Nxt. I've never heard of Songs of Love or Blue Cantrell.  I'm not trying to be negative, but I don't see the relevance, especially for $10k.  Plus on their main site they have a bunch of crypto's listed, so it doesn't seem like a very unique opportunity.

I'd be happy to address it since this is one of my specializations. If you want to break mainstream news, you need to give writers a story. In our own Nxt bubble, it's easy to get frustrated about the lack of coverage we get when we send out news... but to be honest, that's just not how the world works. Dogecoin understands this intimately with their recent charity drives and news.  I've made the phone calls (my experience can be tracked through both Feathercoin and Peercoin) and it's always the same thing... they want something big to write about.

There's a reason professional poker focused so much on charity events as it fought to become more mainstream. The goodwill generated from events like this make life much easier for PR teams.  If this community decides to pass on it, that's fine.. but it's a mistake from an ROI perspective. It's not about the event, it's about everything around it.

As for Blue Cantrell, well, that's entirely different point. While I appreciate (and live) geek culture, mainstream news that covers mainstream audiences is exactly who I would like to target.

Check my history with Sunny King with Peercoin, I know what I'm talking about in this realm. Either way, I appreciate the consideration.

I still don't get it, maybe its just me but I see no results from this.  I mean the website lists "hobocoin" as a donation option, this isn't a creative or unique opportunity to spread the word.  We don't need this kind of marketing at this point, and your response didn't address my first post at all.

[Damelon]

I think its a great cause, but I don't see this as being very relevant to our target market whatsoever.  Its a charity cause, which I think is good, but I don't see it bringing any new people to Nxt. I've never heard of Songs of Love or Blue Cantrell.  I'm not trying to be negative, but I don't see the relevance, especially for $10k.  Plus on their main site they have a bunch of crypto's listed, so it doesn't seem like a very unique opportunity.

I still don't get it, maybe its just me but I see no results from this.  I mean the website lists "hobocoin" as a donation option, this isn't a creative or unique opportunity to spread the word.  We don't need this kind of marketing at this point, and your response didn't address my first post at all.

I'd like to explain why I chose to back this, which may answer the question.

It's basically a way into the mainstream media.
This has several advantages, even though it may not be our target audience yet.

Mainstream media have a wider audience than the crypto community. I myself came to crypto not by specialised media, but mainstream. It wouldn't have come on my radar as easily without them, even though it fitted my profile, so to say.

People who "can use" Nxt, but are afraid to step into something like BCT forum, because it can be daunting, can see there are likeminded people on there and decide to make the step. The more people reached, the greater the chances of that. Sometimes even a small article on the right site can accomplish that goal.

This charity run is meant to help us get that kind of coverage, apart from just helping these kids get some support.

Songs for Love is good for this, as they also WANT to be paid in crypto. In short, they show the "normal" world that cryptos are valid. This is also good for the perception of cryptos in general, which will help later adoption.

I myself have no idea who Blue Cantrell is. I don't need to know even. I can see there is potential here for us, just in the numbers. At least, that is my take.

Hope that explains why I think this can be a very good thing, and why I support this as a good marketing tool, as well as a nice charity

[Damelon]

Hi people,

My developer is ready to start on the creation of payment modules for Nxt for all major open source platforms, starting with WP, because that will help quick adoption.

Basically the system consists of two parts: a module for the client and a module for servers. The client module takes care of giving payment details to the customer and sending out queries to a dedicated server that answers these queries.

The merchant can set several parameters like minimum number of confirmations before he considers a transaction "valid", amount of time that he will accept payment etc.

NO secret information is sent: the customer will pay via his own client.

The dedicated server is responsible for answering queries about the payments. Merchants can either choose to set up their own server (run a node) or use the services of a 3rd party server (paid or otherwise, depends on the node).

All software will be open source from the start.

I would like to know if a bounty is outstanding for this or if anyone is willing to offer a bounty for this. At this moment ETA would be end of the month for the first version to be used with WP.

i have ran the information that my developer sent already by wesleyh, to be sure it is good. 

[ChuckOne]

Ok so its difficult to make any claims about what the ideal amount is that voters should be charged in order to get the best outcomes. I have no idea what the right amount is. Maybe the 1 nxt tx fee is perfect, maybe its more than it ought to be, maybe its less than it ought to be.  Inorder to find out that would require some sort of market discovery process which would be difficult if not imposable in this context. The point is just that when voting entails no cost people tend to vote based on aesthetic considerations. When voting entails a cost than they tend to be less likely to vote based on aesthetic considerations and more likely to vote based on conviction. Of course there is no guarantee that they will be right just because they have conviction. But there is a strong correlation between conviction and having done atleast SOME amount of research on the topic.

This lecture deals with some of these topics and is very well worth an hour of anyone life who isnt already familiar with these arguments. It very well may be one of the most important videos you ever watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVCSfaWF2bA

Psychologically, even the smallest amount is far more than ZERO.

It is like a threshold to be overstepped.

[wesleyh]

Working 24/7 on my nxt client http://nxtra.org/nxt-client

Will be packed as an app for all platforms soon too.

[Anon136]

Ok so its difficult to make any claims about what the ideal amount is that voters should be charged in order to get the best outcomes. I have no idea what the right amount is. Maybe the 1 nxt tx fee is perfect, maybe its more than it ought to be, maybe its less than it ought to be.  Inorder to find out that would require some sort of market discovery process which would be difficult if not imposable in this context. The point is just that when voting entails no cost people tend to vote based on aesthetic considerations. When voting entails a cost than they tend to be less likely to vote based on aesthetic considerations and more likely to vote based on conviction. Of course there is no guarantee that they will be right just because they have conviction. But there is a strong correlation between conviction and having done atleast SOME amount of research on the topic.

This lecture deals with some of these topics and is very well worth an hour of anyone life who isnt already familiar with these arguments. It very well may be one of the most important videos you ever watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVCSfaWF2bA

Psychologically, even the smallest amount is far more than ZERO.

It is like a threshold to be overstepped.

yea i tend to think that the fee should be pretty low. If its too high than you open it up to more possibility for manipulation by rent seekers. so imagine that we are voting on whether nxt in the community fund should be spent on marketing. if the fee is really high than we would have low participation it could make it profitable for those who would be on the receiving end of this contract to spend less on buying these votes than they would receive in the payout.

1 nxt is probably higher than is actually desirable if you do not take into consideration the costs of blockchain bloat.

[l8orre]

Hey good Morning!

I'd like to file my project nxtFreeRider for the 'tech projects' roster.

I believe that nxtFreeRider will make a valuable and distinct contribution to the nxt clients ecosystem.

Features/Attributes:

- python3/PyQt4:  fully open source, code inspection extremely easy rapid development/modification possible by anybody,
- script language: no binary that must either be trusted or compiled from source
- developer tool: includes api access window for testing, new api calls can be added very fast
- using QThreadpool, query threads can be used for NRS backend load testing
- Focus on Asset Exchange     
- python provides scipy: scipy has become the single most powerful and versatile scientific computation environment available
- can be used as a tool to analyse node behaviour and counteract malicious attacks on the network.

The availability of scipy provides a unique feature that no other client has - I have the impression that this aspect is a bit underrated so far.

Best,
l8orre

[abuelau]

Hello,

First fully online NXT wallet

I am about to launch the first Online NXT Wallet: https://wallet.mynxt.info and would like to apply for the infrastructure fund.

It's an online wallet similar to blockchain.info. This will enable anyone to very easily get into NXT without having to download clients, install java, connect to ports, etc.

- It's very easy to use
- It's secure: the wallet key is AES256 encrypted multiple times, passwords are hashed and everything is done via SSL.
- Works on PC, Mac, tablets, phones
- Completely free

[bitcoinpaul]

Hello,

First fully online NXT wallet

I am about to launch the first Online NXT Wallet: https://wallet.mynxt.info and would like to apply for the infrastructure fund.

It's an online wallet similar to blockchain.info. This will enable anyone to very easily get into NXT without having to download clients, install java, connect to ports, etc.

- It's very easy to use
- It's secure: the wallet key is AES256 encrypted multiple times, passwords are hashed and everything is done via SSL.
- Works on PC, Mac, tablets, phones
- Completely free

HUGE!!!