An open proposal to CoinHunter

[johnj]

CoinHunter,

I'll be to the first to admit when I heard of SolidCoin with the 3m blocks, I was intrigued.  When the price hit .03 BTC within days and held around .01, that was impressive.  You certainly didn't have any problem flaunting and flexing at all the naysayers.  Perhaps even with good reason.

But as of yesterday, your credibility has gone down drastically.  You may think "Doesn't matter, bitcointalk is full of trolls" and that may be true.  But most new people are going to be introduced to SolidCoin by what they read here.... and as of now it isn't pretty.

So why don't you do everyone a favor:  We can consolidate all the SC drama into one thread and finally get it over with, and you get to save face with those just being introduce to cryptocurrencies.  I'd say the more humble you are, the better.  Most complaints have been about you and not your 'product' (that's how you treat it), but your project is hemmoraging credibility on one of the (i imagine) primary ways people are introduced to your project. Come lay out your decisions with Solidcoin, why they're good for the project, and get it out in the open.

[julz]

CoinHunter,

I'll be to the first to admit when I heard of SolidCoin with the 3m blocks, I was intrigued.  When the price hit .03 BTC within days and held around .01, that was impressive.  You certainly didn't have any problem flaunting and flexing at all the naysayers.  Perhaps even with good reason.

But as of yesterday, your credibility has gone down drastically.  You may think "Doesn't matter, bitcointalk is full of trolls" and that may be true.  But most new people are going to be introduced to SolidCoin by what they read here.... and as of now it isn't pretty.

So why don't you do everyone a favor:  We can consolidate all the SC drama into one thread and finally get it over with, and you get to save face with those just being introduce to cryptocurrencies.  I'd say the more humble you are, the better.  Most complaints have been about you and not your 'product' (that's how you treat it), but your project is hemmoraging credibility on one of the (i imagine) primary ways people are introduced to your project. Come lay out your decisions with Solidcoin, why they're good for the project, and get it out in the open.

Umm.. you're suggesting to the guy who just minutes ago wrote on his forum "I will humilate them"  to be more humble?  Good luck with that!

Here's what he just wrote at http://solidcointalk.org/topic/139-license-change/page__st__40

Firstly, I'm not THAT interested in the 0.01% of the world that care about "open source" and are most vocal about this small change. Most that are upset think, like you implied, that I have closed the source which is untrue.

If asking someone to use their code (and I've given 2 good reasons for it) is that big a step for some to make then all I can say is "tough titties". I have thus far allowed many people to use it and denied no one. So put things in perspective here. The license will likely change in the future once I'm done with the core changes I want in SolidCoin, allowing others to take over. For now, and given the horrendous treatment from Bitcoin developers I will humiliate them by making them ask for the changes and also to educate them on the dangers of not doing it properly.

[BitcoinPorn]

I think him and smoothie just need to fuck and get it over with.  That is going to be some passionate angry sex.

[ThomasV]

I disagree. The 'product' is doomed to fail. Not because Solidcoin is of poor quality, but because Bitcoin exists already. There is no room for two similar products, and network effects in favor of Bitcoin are too strong. At this point, any Bitcoin clone based on minor tweaks will be a speculative bubble, even if the minor tweaks make it look better.

Actually, it is a pity that Coinhunter is such an immature person, and that Solidcoin was so poorly designed, because these factors have accelerated the failure of this blockchain. But I do not think that they have caused it. The primary cause is that Bitcoin already exists.

We still have to witness the failure of a well-designed Bitcoin clone, created by a real community of intelligent and responsible programmers. I'm sure it will happen too.

[BitcoinPorn]

We still have to witness the failure of a well-designed Bitcoin clone, created by a real community of intelligent and responsible programmers. I'm sure it will happen too.

Interesting, I actually have similar thoughts to you regarding the coins, except for one big change, I think there will need to be a successful clone, and Bitcoin will still survive.   My thoughts go more into users of each coin itself, with a split and divide among the ideals behind the currencies to the point that some people will not want to use the same currency as another just based on what things those coins support.

I can see people not using Bitcoin based solely on things that it currently is able to aide people in as far as silk road, supporting terrorists, and the whole list of 'bad' things.

Where as the people who love the ease of use and the ability to use currency in different ways than thought of before, is going to draw those people to the next thing, 'the improved Bitcoin'

Both will survive though, as long as smoothie wants them to.

[aq]

CoinHunter,

I'll be to the first to admit when I heard of SolidCoin with the 3m blocks, I was intrigued.  When the price hit .03 BTC within days and held around .01, that was impressive.  You certainly didn't have any problem flaunting and flexing at all the naysayers.

That had nothing to do with solidcoin. There is an (apparently) endless stream of, lets face it, stupid peoples that try to buy coins of every new fork. We saw this happen on namecoin, ixcoin, i0coin and most recently on solidcoin. And of course a lot of miners jump instantly to each of those forked chains, because they know they can rip off those early buyers. Don't believe it? Just start some chain and you will see the same will happen.

[johnj]

That had nothing to do with solidcoin. There is an (apparently) endless stream of, lets face it, stupid peoples that try to buy coins of every new fork. We saw this happen on namecoin, ixcoin, i0coin and most recently on solidcoin. And of course a lot of miners jump instantly to each of those forked chains, because they know they can rip off those early buyers. Don't believe it? Just start some chain and you will see the same will happen.

Oh I agree that it was solely on hype. But it was still impressive hype.

[aq]

That had nothing to do with solidcoin. There is an (apparently) endless stream of, lets face it, stupid peoples that try to buy coins of every new fork. We saw this happen on namecoin, ixcoin, i0coin and most recently on solidcoin. And of course a lot of miners jump instantly to each of those forked chains, because they know they can rip off those early buyers. Don't believe it? Just start some chain and you will see the same will happen.

Oh I agree that it was solely on hype. But it was still impressive hype.

I think the ixcoin was the most impressive one, because even a blind deaf-mute could hear and see the scam.

[BitcoinPorn]

It was weird, I never looked that deeply into ixcoin and could tell it had scam on it, but I am still not catching SolidCoin as a scam, just horribly horribly handled is all.

[sd]

CoinHunter,
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You know you are talking to a mental case don't you? Don't bother, the voices tell him what to do not this forum.

[aq]

It was weird, I never looked that deeply into ixcoin and could tell it had scam on it, but I am still not catching SolidCoin as a scam, just horribly horribly handled is all.

At first solidcoin looks if it was a combination of https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41327.msg506664#msg506664 combined which changing fundamentals without understanding them.
On a second look, as ArtForz pointed out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=40772.msg501511#msg501511 it has a builtin mechanism that enables a big miner to mine on 1/3 of the difficulty and prevent others from even mining anything.
So yep, it is a scam.
And you posted right after ArtForz, so you know about this vulnerability. I am starting to suspect you are somehow tied to solidcoin, as you are constantly defending it, apparently against your knowledge.

[Chris Acheson]

It was weird, I never looked that deeply into ixcoin and could tell it had scam on it, but I am still not catching SolidCoin as a scam, just horribly horribly handled is all.

I've always gotten the impression that CoinHunter was doing this to stroke his ego, not to get rich.

[BitcoinPorn]

And you posted right after ArtForz, so you know about this vulnerability. I am starting to suspect you are somehow tied to solidcoin, as you are constantly defending it, apparently against your knowledge.

It is hard to read posts made with such hate behind them, seriously too.  ArtForz posts scream malicious intent, so pulling anything from his posts takes too much effort in wondering what his motivations behind the posts.

Anyways, am I constantly defending it though, really?     I have not given up on it, my knowledge thus far has seen it nearly being taken out of the hands of the creator for what seems to be decent enough reasons.    Either way, not everything is a conspiracy, grow up.   If you are doing proper stalking of my posts to make a weird accusation like that, you'll know I have less than 30 sc total, and it doesn't seem like that will be going up anytime soon with the outlook on the program.

I've always gotten the impression that CoinHunter was doing this to stroke his ego, not to get rich.

That is the way I am seeing it now.

[smoothie]

I think him and smoothie just need to fuck and get it over with.  That is going to be some passionate angry sex.

Wtf does this have to do with me?

[aq]

And you posted right after ArtForz, so you know about this vulnerability. I am starting to suspect you are somehow tied to solidcoin, as you are constantly defending it, apparently against your knowledge.

It is hard to read posts made with such hate behind them, seriously too.  ArtForz posts scream malicious intent, so pulling anything from his posts takes too much effort in wondering what his motivations behind the posts.

I don't think there is any hate involved. Solidcoin like Bitcoin is software, and software either works or not. So when bugs are found, one fixes them or just let the software die. You suggest that ArtForz telling coinhunter about a bug, means ArtForz is hating coinhunter? Grow up. ArtForz was just technical, explaining some bug/weakness, more or less emotionless. Businesses paying big money for people like ArtForz to find hidden bugs, so actually coinhunter should pay ArtFoz something, yet you still believe coinhunter is the poor victim? Go read http://www.incoherentphotography.com/uploads/2011.09.04-07.17.48.txt to see what kind of douchebag coinhunter/realsolid is. Actually I have to correct myself, there is a lot of hate involved on coinhunters side.

Anyways, am I constantly defending it though, really?     I have not given up on it, my knowledge thus far has seen it nearly being taken out of the hands of the creator for what seems to be decent enough reasons.    Either way, not everything is a conspiracy, grow up.   If you are doing proper stalking of my posts to make a weird accusation like that, you'll know I have less than 30 sc total, and it doesn't seem like that will be going up anytime soon with the outlook on the program.

That is what I am talking about. Any rational person would have already accepted that solidcoin was a junk product, yet still "praise" solidcoin. I know you wrote you have only 30 sc, so there is no rational reason why you should still stand firm behind solidcoin. I am not a friend of making conspiration theories out of thin air, so I asked you about your relation to coinhunter and his solidcoin fiasco.

[BitcoinPorn]

yet still "praise" solidcoin.

You are being a silly extremist now, feel free to hit 'ignore user' on me if you are pulling some Fox news style shit out of my posts... "praise" lol... oh God.  Half of what you get from whatever it is I am typing seems to be set with some kind of hatred bias toward any party.   CoinHunter, from what I see, is a dick, however his cock size is quite small compared to others.  In my opnion.  Whatever.  "Grow up"

[The Electric Monk]

There's been lots of hate going around on both sides.  If people could put their emotions aside for a bit there might more constructive conversations that would help both currencies more.  Chanting "BTC sux" and "SC is dead" over and over doesn't seem to be helping.  SC's in trouble and BTC is down to 7.40, makes you wonder if it's connected to the negativity around here...

[BitcoinPorn]

I think it is beyond obvious that CoinHunter isn't going to budge and in fact has managed to become a bigger dick than yesterday with his current post on the SC site forum.

This idiot actually believes that Bitparking and Ruxum had no effect whatsoever on Solidcoin and that Moonco.in's tenfold increase in volume was due to people adopting SC rather than dumping it at the only place left to do so LOL...

[smoothie]

I think it is beyond obvious that CoinHunter isn't going to budge and in fact has managed to become a bigger dick than yesterday with his current post on the SC site forum.

This idiot actually believes that Bitparking and Ruxum had no effect whatsoever on Solidcoin and that Moonco.in's tenfold increase in volume was due to people adopting SC rather than dumping it at the only place left to do so LOL...

+1 Yeah he did not even acknowledge the huge price drop. He keeps saying that he would like the big pools to stay away because the difficulty is dropping so the true supporters can mine SC.

[aq]

yet still "praise" solidcoin.

You are being a silly extremist now, feel free to hit 'ignore user' on me if you are pulling some Fox news style shit out of my posts... "praise" lol... oh God.  Half of what you get from whatever it is I am typing seems to be set with some kind of hatred bias toward any party.   CoinHunter, from what I see, is a dick, however his cock size is quite small compared to others.  In my opnion.  Whatever.  "Grow up"

I have to admit that I had fun writing "praise" I don't know why you see hate everywhere. Calling some crappy software crap is not hate, it is stating facts. I know from your podcasts that you are not an "early adopter" to call something a scam, see mybitcoin. Anyway, why are there no new episodes?