Betcoin.ag scam!

[fi0fi0]

Why Betcoin.ag to apply double standards?
To people who have won - accuse of abuse and take away a prize, and at people who have lost and also accused of abuse that don't return a deposit but only the account balance?
If cancel all rates, to all players - then return ALL their deposits!!

Many sportsbooks (and gambling sites where are you play not with other players but against "house") do business in this way: if you losing money, it is okay, even if you are suspected in some sort of abuse actions. But if you are a winner you become the worst enemy. It is unfair but it is how work this industry.

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[fi0fi0]

So, is anyone else who wrote here was able to withdraw money from betcoin.ag?

[kryk98]

So, is anyone else who wrote here was able to withdraw money from betcoin.ag?

Yes, they returned my deposit and all the winning money was taken away
So play with them - if you win then it does not mean that you will get your winnings.

[Maltroxic]

Sorry to hear about the scam, hopefully, some sort of resolution is made. This stuff is rampant lately...

[dz1adzi2k]

I was also returned only the balance of the funds without a refund of the full deposit. Betcoin you are scammers, it turns out if a person has won more than paid - he is given only a deposit. If the other player who violated your rules - the amount on the account less than the deposit - you return only the balance. Betcoin will not allow himself to be offended. This is extremely disrespectful to all those who have been accused of your part! With this approach, you do not see high reputation and ratings, you behave more than offensively!

[Betcoin.AG]

I was also returned only the balance of the funds without a refund of the full deposit. Betcoin you are scammers, it turns out if a person has won more than paid - he is given only a deposit. If the other player who violated your rules - the amount on the account less than the deposit - you return only the balance. Betcoin will not allow himself to be offended. This is extremely disrespectful to all those who have been accused of your part! With this approach, you do not see high reputation and ratings, you behave more than offensively!

Thousands of players receive their winnings quickly from Betcoin every day. Many of them have commented on this thread. The players who violate our terms of service to try and cheat the system will absolutely have their winnings confiscated and if they come back, they will have their entire account balance seized. This is limited to a group of about 50 players, who are all from the same region that signed up at the same time, stopped betting at the same time and wagered the same amount on the same events. This was a clear case of abuse and was easily weeded out by our security staff. Legitimate wins on Betcoin are receiving their payouts faster than ever.

[fi0fi0]

I was also returned only the balance of the funds without a refund of the full deposit. Betcoin you are scammers, it turns out if a person has won more than paid - he is given only a deposit. If the other player who violated your rules - the amount on the account less than the deposit - you return only the balance. Betcoin will not allow himself to be offended. This is extremely disrespectful to all those who have been accused of your part! With this approach, you do not see high reputation and ratings, you behave more than offensively!

Thousands of players receive their winnings quickly from Betcoin every day. Many of them have commented on this thread.

Sorry, but there are only a few players who posted here comments. Where is other thousands? And If you are so worried about your honesty, why don't you give the players a full refund of the deposit? If you think their loss is fair, then why do you think their win is unfair? Double standards. If you think that the player has violated your rules (and has lost money), then you do not return anything to him and do not interfere with his game. But as soon as he begins to win and tries to withdraw money - you declare him an offender and take his money.

[kryk98]

One of these days I read that Betcoin.ag continues to select the winnings from people, motivating by the fact that the deposit has been withdrawn earlier and the entire balance won will be confiscated. With this approach, they can not restore their reputation.

[Aikidoka]

You seem to be a blind person. Never trust someone with your money before you get to know them clearly. I do not even trust my friends, and I always suspect my family. This world is a cruel place and only monsters rule. If you do not make your research about these gambling websites, you will be scammed again and again. Added to that, you should never rush when you want to play. Take it easy, buddy. You sound a hasty person.

[fi0fi0]

One of these days I read that Betcoin.ag continues to select the winnings from people, motivating by the fact that the deposit has been withdrawn earlier and the entire balance won will be confiscated. With this approach, they can not restore their reputation.

As I hear there are a few bookies who works with crypto who makes the same shit. Maybe it is "normal" for shady sportsbook sites.

[fi0fi0]

I do not even trust my friends, and I always suspect my family.

It's too paranoid, in my opinion 

[Betcoin.AG]

These abusive players have come back and attempted to wager at Betcoin as recently as 3 days ago. If Betcoin is a "scam", why would they still be attempting to wager with us?

Our security experts were able to detect this abuse very quickly and if it were not for privacy rules, we could publish the information we have and anyone could easily tell these accounts from the normal legitimate accounts. We are more than happy to provide the information we have to an independent 3rd party reviewer and are 100% confident they would spot the abuse as well.

In addition, Betcoin has been more than reasonable, by allowing these players to withdraw their original deposit amount, when our terms clearly state that all funds can be seized. Going forward, we will not be so lenient and have warned these specific players that the entire balance will be seized if they return.

There has never been a single instance or accusation of Betcoin denying payout on a legitimate wager. We have had more players comment on this thread saying this in favor of us, than players accusing us of wrong-doing. That's because the players we have caught in this investigation is a small group of players with many accounts. This has been proven without a doubt by our security team.  

Betcoin has always been fair with its players and as a part of that, we must do our part to eliminate the players that cheat the system. This investigation has been a clear-cut example of abuse. If there were legitimate players not getting paid, it would be all over the forums. Instead, this is a small group of players from the same region trying to bring us bad publicity because they got caught trying to take advantage of us.

[fi0fi0]

These abusive players have come back and attempted to wager at Betcoin as recently as 3 days ago. If Betcoin is a "scam", why would they still be attempting to wager with us?

It is good question. Why do you not asked directly these players? Maybe they just do not know about your scam? Or they not abusive players? Who knows.

In addition, Betcoin has been more than reasonable, by allowing these players to withdraw their original deposit amount, when our terms clearly state that all funds can be seized. Going forward, we will not be so lenient and have warned these specific players that the entire balance will be seized if they return.

Returning to the question of dishonest game. Why do not you then return players a deposit when they losing to you? Or concept of justice and moral principles for you are not so important as profit? Perhaps you can tell us what exactly did these players do wrong? Did they exploiut of techical issues at your site in some way? Or they just made bets and won and lose money?

[dz1adzi2k]

something stopped working completely site, betcoin are you still alive?

[fi0fi0]

something stopped working completely site, betcoin are you still alive?

It seems they just decided to block a all of users from a few countries (and did it in silence, without warning). This is so "honest" (sarcasm). And they call themselves a serious fair sportsbooks. I think we should actively disseminate such information wherever possible. This is not a serious company, but some kind of misunderstanding in the world of gambling.

[kryk98]

Yes, it's impossible to open Betcoin's website all day.
I thought they had technical problems and it turns out that there are no problems, they just closed the access to the site and emailed no notifications. I understand that they are going to collect deposits from people, that's exactly an insult and fraud.

[Betcoin.AG]

Please review the announcement below.  Of course, any deposit or outstanding balance will be handled promptly.  Additionally, we continue to find it ironic that you claim Betcoin.ag to be a scam yet continue to want to play at Betcoin.ag.  If Betcoin.ag were truly a scam, you would not want to play there everyday.  Fortunately most people can see this as well.  Thank you for helping Betcoin.ag improve!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616139.msg39680872#msg39680872

[kryk98]

Additionally, we continue to find it ironic that you claim Betcoin.ag to be a scam yet continue to want to play at Betcoin.ag.  

I do not play with you, after Betcoin.ag has taken my winnings and closed the account. And even more so after such impudence, there is not the slightest desire to bet you, which I recommend to other players not to do.

[fi0fi0]

Please review the announcement below.  Of course, any deposit or outstanding balance will be handled promptly.  Additionally, we continue to find it ironic that you claim Betcoin.ag to be a scam yet continue to want to play at Betcoin.ag.  If Betcoin.ag were truly a scam, you would not want to play there everyday.  Fortunately most people can see this as well.  Thank you for helping Betcoin.ag improve!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1616139.msg39680872#msg39680872

As for me I do not want to play at your site anymore. But as I said before I'll monitor the situation to know how you manage all of this. Let us look at current situation: you block users from a few countries without any announce at your site. Want to know how to do it in right way? Take an example from other sites: they issue a special message to visitors from countries where they do not accept players. But you just shut down access and did everything as if the site is just temporarily not working.

Anyway, I still waiting for "many happy betcoin players" here. Where are they?

[mOgliE]

Betcoin.ag has been known for being... Shady in the last years.

Not completely scamming people from what I know but clearly being on the grey line tons of times.
I've played quite long at the poker game and can't say that it felt weird though.