BTC Guild - Pay-per-Share Pool

[ShadesOfMarble]

7% PPS?  That's a little ridiculous....

If you want a free PPS pool I suggest arsbitcoin.

Ars is SMPPS not PPS.

[tysat]

Hmm well arsbitcoin's not exactly free either.
They also keep the transaction fees.

That's not really a huge deal right now as hardly any blocks have > 0.1 BTC for their total transaction fee.  I will start to care about that more when the fees are totaling over 1 BTC per block on average (2% extra on the block).

[eleuthria]

SMPPS is not the same as PPS.  If an SMPPS pool experiences a string of bad luck, you end up up waiting for backpay.  If a straight PPS pool has bad luck, I have to cover the payouts out of my pocket.  PPS is truly zero variance aside from your individual miners luck with diff-1 shares.  SMPPS is only zero variance as long as the pool has had enough good luck streaks to offset a bad luck streak.

[tysat]

SMPPS is not the same as PPS.  If an SMPPS pool experiences a string of bad luck, you end up up waiting for backpay.  If a straight PPS pool has bad luck, I have to cover the payouts out of my pocket.  PPS is truly zero variance aside from your individual miners luck with diff-1 shares.  SMPPS is only zero variance as long as the pool has had enough good luck streaks to offset a bad luck streak.

They're not the same, but at any decent sized pool they're close enough.  Assuming the pool isn't going to disappear overnight, then what's it matter waiting a day or two more to be paid for your work?

[flower1024]

hi,

do you have any plans for merged mining?

if you want to discuss it i opened a thread a here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=44546.0

[c_k]

7% PPS?  That's a little ridiculous....

If you want a free PPS pool I suggest arsbitcoin.

Hmm well arsbitcoin's not exactly free either.
They also keep the transaction fees.

Few pools pay their users the transaction fees.
I know Ozcoin ( https://ozco.in/ ) does - (yes they are a free pool by the correct definition of the word) not sure who else does.

https://rfcpool.com/ gives miners block fees too

[Olly_K]

any chance of API funcitonality so I can use my iphone app with this ?

[eleuthria]

API should be sometime today.  I've been too busy at my regular job to get any work done on the pool during the day, and I took my first weekend off after a few months of constantly working .

[Olly_K]

excellent, as long as I know it's coming

keep up the good work

[eleuthria]

API is now up for PPS Guild, you can find your key and a link to the API on your My Account page.  Last share time is being returned as the number of seconds, rather than the HH:MM:SS format BTC Guild's API used, since its easier to manipulate.

If there's any other stats you want, just ask and I'll see what I can do.

[Olly_K]

Thanks !!

I noticed that my API key is the same as my Proportional account.

The app I'm using is called BTCGuild View 1.1 - It does state they are not affiliated with BTCGuild...however, the app seems to be picking up my workers in my proportional account, which are all zero now as I've moved them to the PPS account.

I dont think there's anything you can do to fix that ?

EDIT: just tried it with another app called BTCmon and its the same thing

[eleuthria]

I have not inspected or used any of the API apps, but I would suspect they don't work the same with PPS Guild since the API has added/removed a lot of information related to the workers and account.  PPS Guild has a bit more detail in the API for workers, and the user section is also quite a bit different due to the lack of confirmed/unconfirmed rewards.

I'll see if I can make a secondary API that follows the format I used on BTC Guild, but it won't have the same detail as the full API.

As for picking up your proportional account's workers, there is absolutely no way that can happen unless your API tools are screwing up.  They are completely different databases and have no link between each other.  The URL is different than the BTC Guild API (http://pps.btcguild.com/api.php instead of http://www.btcguild.com/api.php).

[Olly_K]

just checked and confirmed and they are definitely the same......I created a new account for PPS but used the same username.

I have screenshots of my PPS and Prop account pages showing the same API key, but I don't want to post it on the forum.

My API Keys are definitely the same, when I access the api.php pages, all I need to change is the http://pps.btcguild.com/api.php URL bit to http://pps.btcguild.com/api.php and I get a different set of stats......

any thoughts ?

[eleuthria]

The API key itself will be the same if your username is the same.  However, you won't see the stats from one pool on the other pool's API URL, which is what you described ("however, the app seems to be picking up my workers in my proportional account, which are all zero now as I've moved them to the PPS account.").

[Olly_K]

thanks for the reply. I think its the app's fault as they only point to the prop URL.

hopefully they'll update them, if not I'll just build my own !!!

[Olly_K]

I think the server's crashed All of my miners and pool speed is zero

[Olly_K]

yeah, I noticed it going up so I'm not panicking too much

[eleuthria]

Just woke up and noticed the issue.  The shares table was setup to use a MEDIUMINT, autoincrementing for counting share IDs.  It overflowed last night, and stopped logging new shares in that table.  However, the shares get logged in two places, once in the shares table which is only used for determining speed and debugging share rejects.  The other table is what gets used to determine payouts (it counts your share submissions per difficulty).  That other table was still functioning perfectly.

Everything is back to normal now, and your miner speeds should be counting back up .