[survey] What are the ideal properties of a quantum RNG?

[NanoAkron]

Take the 3 million raw I/Q samples per second of background radio and send the data through about 10000 XORed SHA hashes to get 512 bits a second. Random.

This is digital random.

It is analog random that is proposed in this topic; its work is based on such phenomena as nuclear resonance serving as  a source of quantum entropy.

Please correct me if I was mistaken.

And why is this an advantage? (i.e. why would I invest in this) - I want Altoidnerd to explain his 'value proposition' - what makes his solution unique and valuable in the current market.

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[Altoidnerd]

This sounds like a lot of chemical jibberjabber for something that can be done with webcam noise or lava lamps.

One solution I would have is to take a software defined radio such as http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/hands-on/a-40-softwaredefined-radio

Take the 3 million raw I/Q samples per second of background radio and send the data through about 10000 XORed SHA hashes to get 512 bits a second. Random.

Noise is a signal which is irrelevant and comes from many or no source in particular.  It is very difficult to tease apart actual random noise from noise that is decisively NOT random.

Quantum transitons are random, and predictably so.  They are also louder than the noise, which the scientist knows little about.  In general, one does not know or care of the sources of noise.  S/N in NQR is good enough to disregard possibly non-random noise in favor of something that is guaranteed to behave randomly in a specified manner.

It's predictably random.  It behaves perfectly and cannot be mistaken for for other signal.  Noise however, could be a nearby radio station - this is not so random.

Knowledge > lack thereof = "noise"

Also BTW, chaotic systems are subject to sudden non-randomness as they fall into attractors.  There is no better RNG than a two level controlled quantum system.

[EmerCoin.org]

Take the 3 million raw I/Q samples per second of background radio and send the data through about 10000 XORed SHA hashes to get 512 bits a second. Random.

This is digital random.

It is analog random that is proposed in this topic; its work is based on such phenomena as nuclear resonance serving as  a source of quantum entropy.

Please correct me if I was mistaken.

And why is this an advantage? (i.e. why would I invest in this) - I want Altoidnerd to explain his 'value proposition' - what makes his solution unique and valuable in the current market.

It's likely that  there is no market of such devices currently

[Altoidnerd]

This sounds like a lot of chemical jibberjabber for something that can be done with webcam noise or lava lamps.

One solution I would have is to take a software defined radio such as http://spectrum.ieee.org/geek-life/hands-on/a-40-softwaredefined-radio

Take the 3 million raw I/Q samples per second of background radio and send the data through about 10000 XORed SHA hashes to get 512 bits a second. Random.

Good point - Altoidnerd, what does your solution offer that these don't?

Noise is not necessarily random at all.  So he is saying "take something that is not random and hash it."

My solution would offer random numbers.  And you can hash those if you feel like it.

This also is not open source and has generally none of the properties I described that are desireable. This solution may seem to work now but is not guaranteed to be random.  Prepared magnetic states are guaranteed to be random and it will work forever, regardless of the progress of cryptanalysis.

[EmerCoin.org]

What are the news from BTCMiami? 

[Altoidnerd]

I learned a LOT

Next post will have more details of how it works and what is needed.

[NanoAkron]

I learned a LOT

Next post will have more details of how it works and what is needed.

You don't have to reveal exactly how it works - that might be your core IP that needs protecting later on.

Just treat it like a black box at this stage and tell us what it can do, why that's useful, who needs it, how much it'll cost them, how much profit you'll make. That's what business people care about - not the details of the technology.

[EmerCoin.org]

I learned a LOT

Next post will have more details of how it works and what is needed.

You don't have to reveal exactly how it works - that might be your core IP that needs protecting later on.

Just treat it like a black box at this stage and tell us what it can do, why that's useful, who needs it, how much it'll cost them, how much profit you'll make. That's what business people care about - not the details of the technology.

This is an open source. The more details developers will learn the better for market. This is different from "a black box"  in that anyone with an electronics hobby can scrutinize it. This has been answered already:

RNG's today operate on thermal fluctuations and alternatively current "shot noise." These methods are in principle sources of quantum entropy.  However, they work on integrated circuits so nobody knows whats really going on inside of it.  One can perhaps test the legitimacy of the outputs, but I do not like the idea of ICs used in open source technology since they can always be backdoored - one must trust the IC manufacturer to use the IC.

This is different in that anyone with an electronics hobby can scrutinize it; these electronics presented are completely analog. One can also feel free to exchange the (sodium chlorate?) sample with their own if they believe I have doctored mine.  It's simple physics, rather than black-box electronics.

[Altoidnerd]

I learned a LOT

Next post will have more details of how it works and what is needed.

You don't have to reveal exactly how it works - that might be your core IP that needs protecting later on.

Just treat it like a black box at this stage and tell us what it can do, why that's useful, who needs it, how much it'll cost them, how much profit you'll make. That's what business people care about - not the details of the technology.

Will do.  Thank you.