Releasing of rank in yearly

[LoyceV]

Merit system doesn't encourage me at all. All I see is that the system doesn't work as it was intended. The number of spam messages haven't decreased so much. But to get a higher rank will take almost eternity now.

The Merit system works exactly the way it was intended: only people with good posts are allowed to rank up. Do you want proof? This thread is filled with people complaining about the fact that they can't rank up anymore. It's not the first topic in which low rank users without merit make all kinds of suggestions to go back to the way it was before the introduction of Merit.

Theymos admitted failure of merit system, too.

Can you link the post where he says that?

[Jet Cash]

Bitcoin Talk is a meritocracy

What is a meritocracy in the workplace? In a meritocracy, everyone has the right to express their opinions and are encouraged to share them openly and often. Those opinions are listened to and decisions are then made based on those that are deemed the best. It’s important to understand that a meritocracy is not a democracy. There is no “decision by consensus”; not everyone has a vote. This is the key distinction of the meritocracy. While everyone does have a voice, some are listened to more than others.

https://www.wired.com/insights/2014/10/meritocracy/

When you start to work for an organisation, you may begin by sweeping the floor, but you can't expect to become the managing director just because you have been there for 5 years. The organisation wouldn't flourish if most of its staff were managing directors.

[Bershie]

Bitcoin Talk is a meritocracy

What is a meritocracy in the workplace? In a meritocracy, everyone has the right to express their opinions and are encouraged to share them openly and often. Those opinions are listened to and decisions are then made based on those that are deemed the best. It’s important to understand that a meritocracy is not a democracy. There is no “decision by consensus”; not everyone has a vote. This is the key distinction of the meritocracy. While everyone does have a voice, some are listened to more than others.

https://www.wired.com/insights/2014/10/meritocracy/

When you start to work for an organisation, you may begin by sweeping the floor, but you can't expect to become the managing director just because you have been there for 5 years. The organisation wouldn't flourish if most of its staff were managing directors.

You're right, being here in this forum is a privilege not a right. Ergo, we should contribute to the system in order for it to survive.

Being a members it's our responsibilities to keep it safe from being abused but sadly only few know it's significance.

In the long run, we all gonna suffer the consequences of our foolishness.

[Strufmbae]

If OP, really has the heart to make the forum better and in quality then he would not complain and suggest any obvious suggestion of a lazy person. Merit is merit, be an admin and you'll change rules implemented. I have the freedom to speak and so do you.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

so while altcoin proponents now probably outnumber the Bitcoin maximalists, the merit distribution is disproportionately in favor of Bitcoin sympathizers...

That makes no sense whatsoever.  I'd also point out that most of the merit abuse occurs between alt accounts, and it's usually low-ranked members and not the good 'ol boys' club like you claim.  I've seen plenty of older members meriting lower-ranked ones, myself included.  Yes indeed I've merited Legendaries, but I happen to like their posts better in general and I have certainly tried to give merits to newer members.  That claim that merit passes between old-timer friends just doesn't pass the smell test.

As far as the OP goes, I'm not quite sure what he's suggesting--seems like a minimum time frame between ranks?  Whatever it is, it's probably not going to happen.  When Theymos implemented the merit system, I suspect he did so with the intention not to make any major changes to it for quite some time.  As I've stated before, we're all lucky he created it in the first place.  It took a lot happening on the forum to get him to do it.

[bitart]

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so while altcoin proponents now probably outnumber the Bitcoin maximalists, the merit distribution is disproportionately in favor of Bitcoin sympathizers...
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Well, this is a bitcoin forum, so it's not a surprise for me...

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As far as the OP goes, I'm not quite sure what he's suggesting--seems like a minimum time frame between ranks?  Whatever it is, it's probably not going to happen. 
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I hope it won't change. If a fixed or maximum time frame (even a year) will be introduced for the rank up process, the account farmers will farm a lot of account for a year and they will surely rank up to the next level, so this won't stop the spam here...

[wwzsocki]

You have to forget about merits and ranks. Just enjoy your time here spent on reading and educating yourself. Finally when you learn how to post correctly, quality content you will see merits slowly parking in your account. Especially if you create some useful content like guide or summary.

OP will never rank up when there is a lack of knowledge and writing skills. Merit system already reduced spam, account farming and encouraged members to be much more creative. I see much more quality answers and interesting discussions.

The merit system is good and works perfectly. Only people who always try to abuse the system should be blamed. Not merit system, not Theymos because he tries to grow this forum in a healthy way or members who were lucky to achieve higher ranks before merit system was introduced.

OP you have to accept this and move forward with your Bitcointalk account. If you can't then the best thing you can do is to search for another crypto related forum where you can still rank fast enough. There is plenty of them and few best ones even run bounty campaigns similar or even same as on BTT. I advise you to do it quickly because all crypto related forums are growing fast, especially with bounty listings. They will introduce additional requirements (like merits) very soon when user base grows significantly.

[mobilazy]

Just forget it and concentrate on getting merits. Merit system will stay because it doing good for the forum and stopped creating multiple accounts and farming them. People will still spam as this is requirements of signature campaigns (not spamming, but posting not less than N posts). Who cares that most of the members stopped ranking up? It's not hurting the forum anyhow, even if I (and 99% of others) stay as Member forever, I'll still stay in this forum posting every day.

[mdayonliner]

The Merit system is broken, very few people actually send merit to valuable posts, the vast majority of it gets circulated between old timers who know eachother personally on

the forum, and it doesn't help that most of these guys are on the Bitcoin related forums;

so while altcoin proponents now probably outnumber the Bitcoin maximalists, the merit distribution is disproportionately in favor of Bitcoin sympathizers...

You are wrong, perhaps looking on some data will change your mind. Merit is doing it's job just fine regardless a minor number of abusive members using it for their own interest. Every system has a System Loss which is completely ok.

[Emilyearl]

That would have been a good approach but I don't think that will be happening because the merit system seems to be working or so everyone says. And if the merit system is working, there won't be need for other alternatives to rank upgrading.

[2beAmillionaire]

Hy all
Sorry to say this over here if I have made a mistake. but have just reasoning if [Suspicious link removed] before upgrading to next rank. Usually from newbies to Jr.member should be normal upgrades and then from Jr.member to any other ranks should be 8months or 10months before upgrading them.

Here are my opinion what do you about this
Please I need your answers let keeps the ranks moving.

It is a good one idea,100% i agree with this! Those who have efforts while participating the bitcointalk forum for a long time period,they will have an assurance of ranking up even it will takes a long time.

[Tyrantt]

So I'm waiting for something to finish downloading, I thought to use this time to tell you that you're wrong. It's gonna be a good one tho.

What a nice suggestion! It keeps wondering me if I would ever made it to member in this forum let alone ranking to full member or senior member with the kind of upgrading system bitcointalk.org adopts. Where on earth would a member get 100 merits to become a full member when some higher ranked members are stingy of their merits.

It's not. With those posts, probably not. On this forum and no they're not.

The Merit system is broken, very few people actually send merit to valuable posts, the vast majority of it gets circulated between old timers who know eachother personally on
the forum, and it doesn't help that most of these guys are on the Bitcoin related forums;
so while altcoin proponents now probably outnumber the Bitcoin maximalists, the merit distribution is disproportionately in favor of Bitcoin sympathizers...

It's not, works 99% as intended. Give me usernames of those users. Because altcoin discussion (just as bitcoin discussion) is spam.

Yeah i agree that new merit system has prohibited new members to gain timely ranks, so it is an excellent and workable suggestion that if an account fails to earn required number of merit points in a year to advance to the next rank, he will be automatically promoted to next rank after one year of activity according to forum rules,
I hope forum administrators and moderators will have serious look over this suggestion and hopefully will implement it.

Because most have no posts to be merited on. No it's not and what's the purpose of merit then? They won't and they won't.

i want my rank to increase oo what should i do

Not write posts like that, mainly.

I support your view that accounts should be upgraded automatically for more than 6 months. This will not cause the abuse of false accounts. Many newbie have not been upgraded. This will hurt the enthusiasm of new people in the community, and it will be bad for the development of the forum.

It's nonsense. What? That's just make account farming available again. What? That's because most of them are in for the bounties or simply spam. If they are not ready to improve themselves, well... bad news for them.

Merit system doesn't encourage me at all. All I see is that the system doesn't work as it was intended. The number of spam messages haven't decreased so much. But to get a higher rank will take almost eternity now.

Yeah, I can see that. It works just as intended, you're just salty. "so much" still something, right? Probably will if you're not ready to improve and accept the fact that merit is here to stay.

It's rare to hear something like this from a mid-ranked member like you or are you just struggling to rank up like us, LOL. Btw, I totally agree with OP's idea. Theymos admitted failure of merit system, too. But it seems like he has not figured out a better way yet.

Oh c'mon, you've got merit so you know you can write good posts, even I have merited you before for helping me out. It's a bad idea btw. He did, really? This one's fine imo.

It is a good one idea,100% i agree with this! Those who have efforts while participating the bitcointalk forum for a long time period,they will have an assurance of ranking up even it will takes a long time.

You're here for one month. So what's stopping you?


REALITY CHECK: You're all just greedy and want everything right at this moment without any effort. None of you are as good as you think. Merit is working as intended. Improve and think about what you're posting. There are no shortcuts here, your posts just don't stand out at all and have no significance.

Also, I still have some sMerit left (keeping it for cases like these) to prove you a point. Reply here or send me a link of your post that you think deserves merit. And here's the catch: You either can't find one at all, it's not worth merit or it's actually worth some merit. Now, if there's anyone who gets merited from this post, that'll prove to you that it's possible to write quality posts and rank up.




sorry for the long post, everyone.

[Probinus]

Getting 10 merits to become a Member is so hard though you are posting quality posts. How much more getting 100 merits to become Full member?

Are you sure what you're posting are quality posts? I checked your last posts and 95% of them are on Spam mega threads. Don't get me wrong, I also post there (requirement for signature campaign of course), but if you stop posting there and post somewhere else where posts are actually being read, then you might have some slight chance of getting into member, and even Full Member if people think you're really helpful.

To ranked up with existing merit system is really just a dream nowadays. Happy for those early birds on this forum as it is advantage for them. I think merit sytem must be demolished and introduced new ranks in order to top ranked not be overtakes by new comers instead of freezing the ranking system.

Nope. If you really get the whole point of this Merit system then this is also an advantage for newbies. Why? Being a high-ranked member despite of getting caught in this merit system means that you're a well-established member. And if you're a well-established member, you'd be respected and be trusted by many.

Distribution of merits is actually unfair as others giving sMerits to their personally known account owner and to those having multiple account gives to themselves.

Uhm, another nope. Let's say these multiple account owner have been doing this. Eventually, they'll run out of sMerits to give and still resort to contributing to the forum for merits. Also, if you look at the merit stats, merit sources, high-ranks, and even some medium to low ranks are distributing their merit very well. Well deserve posts will eventually receive merits.

[jonemil24]

On my opinion, merit system was implemented to stop people from making a new account for:

1. Selling high ranking accounts.
2. Abusing signature campaign with different alts.
3. Stop making people think that they could go from zero to hero in due time with their sh*t posts.

For your suggestion, maybe I could add something:

1. Newbie to Full Member ranks will be a long duration of time ( I won't do any math here).
2. Only people with Full Member rank and higher must be dealing with merits in order to rank up. (EDITED)
3. If those above mentioned is impossible, why not make it possible for users with only one account?

TBH, merit system made me read some of the posts or threads here, and high quality posters must be valued somehow.

But don't lose hope, this thread is not yet stickied! - hope is lost!

[funsponge]

On my opinion, merit system was implemented to stop people from making a new account for:

1. Selling high ranking accounts.
2. Abusing signature campaign with different alts.
3. Stop making people think that they could go from zero to hero in due time with their sh*t posts.

For your suggestion, maybe I could add something:

1. Newbie to Full Member ranks will be a long duration of time ( I won't do any math here).
2. Only people with Full Member rank must be dealing with merits.
3. If those above mentioned is impossible, why not make it possible for users with only one account?

TBH, merit system made me read some of the posts or threads here, and high quality posters must be valued somehow.

But don't lose hope, this thread is not yet stickied!

It doesn't need to be stickied as it's already been put in other stickies. I'm not sure what you mean by full members should be the only one to deal with merits. I think the current system which allows anyone to send sMerit as long as they've received some themselves is a fair enough system.

[jonemil24]

I'm not sure what you mean by full members should be the only one to deal with merits.

Thanks for pointing it out! What I meant was - Only full members and higher must be affected by the new ranking system if it's only a single account user who doesn't use VPN or another IP, if it's only possible.

[hh4mmm]

This is the best idea so far, I think is the right they looks about merit stuff to see how they can upgrade someone.
Thank man

[nattykio]

It will still create spamm in the forum with people duplicating account ,and waiting for months to get upgrade. The merit system is the only way to check bad post and force members to strive harder for rank upgrade

Spamming is frowned at by the forum moderators and often leads to ban. So I do not think this idea is bad. It is very frustrating to realize that you can never rank up irrespective of what you post, as it is looking like now, because the powers that be prefer giving ranks to friends and associates and not for quality posts.

[chainguru12]

well to my greatest supprise about this merit of a thing, with what i m seeing best idea is what you just said about this yearly stuff. at least upgrade once in a year from Jr the rest Rank should be upgraded once they hit a in the forum without waiting for any merit this will multivate user to post and work harder than just merited once.

[sifonE]

hy all
sorry to interfair for this, although i m new here but i want say that merit is meant to given at the end of the year or some months interval that is mid year. that is a very good idea