Demand for sig managers

[theymos]

Recently, a few different people emailed me asking about how forum advertising works, including sig advertising. I tell them about the inhouse forum ads, of course, but I get the sense that they are very interested in running sig-ad campaigns. However, they are not familiar enough with the forum to actually do this themselves, and many seem to not even be willing to jump through the hoop of creating a forum account and figuring out how to hire a sig-ad campaign manager in the normal bitcointalk.org way.

Therefore, I recommend:
 - More people should post in Services advertising their willingness to be a sig-ad campaign manager. Post an email address so that advertisers don't need a forum account in order to contact you, and try to provide some concrete stats (clicks, etc.) of your past campaigns.
 - Someone should compile a list of responsible, anti-spam sig managers along with their email addresses and some explanatory info. If a good one is created, I'll link to it on the adinfo page and point advertisers to it when they contact me directly about this.

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[digaran]

Done. thanks.  

My sig campaign managing service.

EDIT: good that they can't see my negative trust, better to stay that way. don't register accounts here guys just email us.

[shahzadafzal]

EDIT: good that they can't see my negative trust, better to stay that way. don't register accounts here guys just email us.

Man your negative trust is so unfortunate!!!
I’m rather new here but I see you got great sense of humor... your sarcasm skills are too damn high... lower it a bit so people can digest.

Sorry members this for off topic reply!!!
Btw I think these “managed signature campaigns”  should have same critire of selection like we have for ads. So whoever going to manage it please consider this.

Ads may not link directly to any NSFW page. No ICOs[1], banks, funds, or anything else that a person can be said to "invest" in;

[vit05]

I think the problem with this request is that many may wish to use altcoins / tokens as a payment method. And in the services section only Bitcoin can be used. Is there any possibility of having a separate section where services that accept altcoin payments are posted, but only altcoins that are already traded on some exchange?

BTW, This AD INfo page has a lot of interest information. I did not know about this.

According to NIST and ECRYPT II, the cryptographic algorithms used in Bitcoin are expected to be strong until at least 2030. (After that, it will not be too difficult to transition to different algorithms.)

Maybe it should also appear that there is NO official website, although the most used and accept is the Bitcoin.org and the Bitcoin.com promotes an altcoin.

[Lauda]

Post an email address so that advertisers don't need a forum account in order to contact you, and try to provide some concrete stats (clicks, etc.) of your past campaigns.

Problem: There isn't a good way to measure impact. Even if you use a specialized referrer in the sig.; someone might check out the service after seeing a signature without directly clicking on it.
 

- Someone should compile a list of responsible, anti-spam sig managers along with their email addresses and some explanatory info.

I recommended something like thing a while ago to someone, but it hasn't seen the light of day yet. One of the problems with this is that a lot of people encounter very old/outdated lists of this, and semi-spammers link to these on demand as well.

Btw I think these “managed signature campaigns”  should have same critire of selection like we have for ads. So whoever going to manage it please consider this.

Ads may not link directly to any NSFW page. No ICOs[1], banks, funds, or anything else that a person can be said to "invest" in;

That won't work these days. The majority of the 'entities' that need managers right now, need them for ICOs (or similar).

I think the problem with this request is that many may wish to use altcoins / tokens as a payment method. And in the services section only Bitcoin can be used.

Wrong. You can post your thread in the services section, offering a service without specifying acceptable payment methods. You are confusing services that pay out in a certain coin/token with campaign management services.
I believe that there are more than enough managers right now specially after a few new ones made their services visible (e.g. actmyname). The problem might be a visibility one. The services section gets spammed a lot of nonsense.
@theymos would you be willing to sticky such a list in the service discussion section (no first-come-first-served, sorted alphabetically for fairness)?

[InvoKing]

Someone active and trusted enough needs to create and keep "Overview of signature ads managers" up to date, which contains a list of managers (sorted alphabetically as lauda stated) + their previous works + their emails + link to their proper topic +/- their ratings (1-5 stars or novice-expert).
The managers then should post their application there + a link to their proper topics.

Edit :

I recommended something like thing a while ago to someone, but it hasn't seen the light of day yet. One of the problems with this is that a lot of people encounter very old/outdated lists of this, and semi-spammers link to these on demand as well.

Hope he will finish it soon.
I gave a quick solution above imo.

Edit 2 :
And QS has spoken too, good..

[Lauda]

Someone active and trusted enough needs to create and keep "Overview of signature ads managers" up to date, which contains a list of managers (sorted alphabetically as lauda stated) + their previous works + their emails +/- their ratings (1-5 stars or novice-expert).

Someone, somewhere in some basement is working on this now. Give it some time.

[pugman]

- Someone should compile a list of responsible, anti-spam sig managers along with their email addresses and some explanatory info. If a good one is created, I'll link to it on the adinfo page and point advertisers to it when they contact me directly about this.

I can make one. But only thing is that not all managers have a thread with their past works..
People can PM me their info and I'll get to the thread. Or post here(?). But will these also include bounty campaign managers or only signature campaign(ones with bitcoin payments) only? And twitter and other campaigns info too?

[Lauda]

I can make one. But only thing is that not all managers have a thread with their past works..

They don't need to. I'll leave those cells empty.

But will these also include bounty campaign managers or only signature campaign(ones with bitcoin payments) only? And twitter and other campaigns info too?

One should not be confused with the other. Either 1 thread two lists, or 2 threads with 1 list each.

[pugman]

I have started making a thread,and it shall be up and ready by tomorrow[1].So what I would need for people to PM me is : Their email or other means of contact,their past works,their method of payment,their fee,number of participants they can handle,whether they can handle bounties or only bitcoin campaigns,and if they can handle other campaigns too.I'll let the community to be the judge if they are anti-spam managers or not.[1]If people co-operate enough to send me their details.

[Lauda]

So what I would need for people to PM me is: ... their fee -snip-

Doesn't look like you know what you are getting yourself in to.

I'll let the community to be the judge if they are anti-spam managers or not.

Quite a bad idea. You should list anti-spam managers, not every random baboon offering their "service" for $25/week while enrolling tens of their own accounts.

[pugman]

Doesn't look like you know what you are getting yourself in to.

I thought about it,the only reason I listed the fee part is that the transparency,some people would like to know how much in general these campaigns cost. I would not force them to disclose anything.

Quite a bad idea. You should list anti-spam managers, not every random baboon offering their "service" for $25/week while enrolling tens of their own accounts.

Don't worry about that,I am not going to list everybody. I have seen good and bad managers. I'll look around for more.

[Lauda]

I thought about it,the only reason I listed the fee part is that the transparency,some people would like to know how much in general these campaigns cost. I would not force them to disclose anything.

Not listing prices publicly =/= not being transparent. If you were certain about this field, you'd notice that none of the "top or middle tier" managers list prices publicly. It's mostly the garbage low-priced ones that do.

Don't worry about that,I am not going to list everybody. I have seen good and bad managers. I'll look around for more.

We shall see.

[actmyname]

I have started making a thread,and it shall be up and ready by tomorrow[1].So what I would need for people to PM me is : Their email or other means of contact,their past works,their method of payment,their fee,number of participants they can handle,whether they can handle bounties or only bitcoin campaigns,and if they can handle other campaigns too.I'll let the community to be the judge if they are anti-spam managers or not.[1]If people co-operate enough to send me their details.

I have a draft of an old CM thread (WIP). If you want to use anything from there, then I'd be happy to PM it to you. Keep in mind that the formatting is a little off and I had to do some "invisible magic" to get it to work properly.

* though this is old, there are references and max. escrowed amounts on some of the campaign managers.

[RocketSingh]

Therefore, I recommend:
 - More people should post in Services advertising their willingness to be a sig-ad campaign manager. Post an email address so that advertisers don't need a forum account in order to contact you, and try to provide some concrete stats (clicks, etc.) of your past campaigns.
 - Someone should compile a list of responsible, anti-spam sig managers along with their email addresses and some explanatory info. If a good one is created, I'll link to it on the adinfo page and point advertisers to it when they contact me directly about this.

IMHO, this is NOT a good idea. Scammers will dupe unsuspecting advertisers through email communication outside of BitcoinTalk and this forum will be held responsible for the scam.

[Lauda]

Therefore, I recommend:
 - More people should post in Services advertising their willingness to be a sig-ad campaign manager. Post an email address so that advertisers don't need a forum account in order to contact you, and try to provide some concrete stats (clicks, etc.) of your past campaigns.
 - Someone should compile a list of responsible, anti-spam sig managers along with their email addresses and some explanatory info. If a good one is created, I'll link to it on the adinfo page and point advertisers to it when they contact me directly about this.

IMHO, this is NOT a good idea. Scammers will dupe unsuspecting advertisers through email communication outside of BitcoinTalk and this forum will be held responsible for the scam.

Posting email online doesn't make the service it was posted on liable for any successful phishing.

[RocketSingh]

Therefore, I recommend:
 - More people should post in Services advertising their willingness to be a sig-ad campaign manager. Post an email address so that advertisers don't need a forum account in order to contact you, and try to provide some concrete stats (clicks, etc.) of your past campaigns.
 - Someone should compile a list of responsible, anti-spam sig managers along with their email addresses and some explanatory info. If a good one is created, I'll link to it on the adinfo page and point advertisers to it when they contact me directly about this.

IMHO, this is NOT a good idea. Scammers will dupe unsuspecting advertisers through email communication outside of BitcoinTalk and this forum will be held responsible for the scam.

Posting email online doesn't make the service it was posted on liable for any successful phishing.

There is a reason why DefaultTrust exist on BitcoinTalk and why scammers only scream when they are marked by DT members (No, I'm not on DT). Forum can be held liable for each and every scam that takes place over here, unless forum maintains a way to tag scammers in before. Hence, when the forum allows a communication channel to be opened outside of the forum for forum advertising, it can not deny responsibility of a possible scam.

[Lauda]

Hence, when the forum allows a communication channel to be opened outside of the forum for forum advertising, it can not deny responsibility of a possible scam.

What are you even babbling about? Outside communication channels have been used (Telegram, Slack, Mattermost, Discord) for this for a very long time. Stop shitposting.

[digaran]

There is a reason why DefaultTrust exist on BitcoinTalk and why scammers only scream when they are marked by DT members (No, I'm not on DT). Forum can be held liable for each and every scam that takes place over here, unless forum maintains a way to tag scammers in before. Hence, when the forum allows a communication channel to be opened outside of the forum for forum advertising, it can not deny responsibility of a possible scam.

That could be true if DT members were tagging real scammers only. they are not, therefore negative trust means absolutely jack. DT is used as a weapon and or tool to manipulate people. IMO that is the bad thing for this forum, allowing a selected few to dictate their own terms to others.

[funsponge]

I predict by tomorrow we will see multiple threads doing exactly this as they know it will generate them a little bit of merit. Really it should be made by a trustworthy person because if we use the list as a landing page or advertisement then this will be the main source of finding sig managers and if the OP gets backhanders to remove certain people or add someone then it could be bad.

 

[bitart]

Quite a bad idea. You should list anti-spam managers, not every random baboon offering their "service" for $25/week while enrolling tens of their own accounts.

Don't worry about that,I am not going to list everybody. I have seen good and bad managers. I'll look around for more.

Is it possible to become a manager (an anti-spam one) here, without any reference, starting from scratch? I know all the managers have started their job sometime somewhere similarly, so I'd like to know what are the requirements to be listed on the official manager list?
I'm thinking about trying to run a small campaing, just for the experience, and to see how much time does it take to handle a campaign. I won't enroll spammers, that's for sure....

[Quickseller]

Someone active and trusted enough needs to create and keep "Overview of signature ads managers" up to date, which contains a list of managers (sorted alphabetically as lauda stated) + their previous works + their emails +/- their ratings (1-5 stars or novice-expert).

Someone, somewhere in some basement is working on this now. Give it some time.

I find this post very ironic based on subsequent posts in this thread. In a hilarious way  

I suggest that a new sub be created to announce campaign management services that anyone can post in. Maybe a warning can be posted for potential customers to check for prior experience when evaluating if someone should be hired. This will prevent a small group of people (or more likely a single person) from making arbitrary decisions (and to prevent corruption) as to who gets what will essentially be a forum endorsement or something very close to it, and would allow the market to decide which managers get hired.

[funsponge]

Quite a bad idea. You should list anti-spam managers, not every random baboon offering their "service" for $25/week while enrolling tens of their own accounts.

Don't worry about that,I am not going to list everybody. I have seen good and bad managers. I'll look around for more.

Is it possible to become a manager (an anti-spam one) here, without any reference, starting from scratch? I know all the managers have started their job sometime somewhere similarly, so I'd like to know what are the requirements to be listed on the official manager list?
I'm thinking about trying to run a small campaing, just for the experience, and to see how much time does it take to handle a campaign. I won't enroll spammers, that's for sure....

Technically everyone of the current signature managers started from scratch without any references. You might find it more difficult now that there are people with experience out there which you'll find a lot of the people looking for these services will request.

It's a over saturated market and everyone now wants to become a signature manager. You will only succeed if you are willing to put in the work and be an exceptional manager.

[pugman]

Am still waiting for a few managers to respond back to my PMs so that the thread can be up and ready by tomorrow atleast.  

[digaran]

Am still waiting for a few managers to respond back to my PMs so that the thread can be up and ready by tomorrow atleast.  

Did you PM only the cartel members? how about me?

[HabBear]

It's a over saturated market and everyone now wants to become a signature manager. You will only succeed if you are willing to put in the work and be an exceptional manager.

This is fine, as long as there isn't intimidation by the established players against the new entrants. Competition is good for consumers.

The way to get create some flow in the provider market is to independently rate each signature campaign manager's performance. A great metric to use, that aligns with some of Theymos' objectives, is to evaluate how effective these campaign managers are in minimizing or punishing spam posters.

What shouldn't happen is any sort of intimidation or fake neg trust giving activity from the major campaign manager to the new hopefuls. This activity is rampant in the escrow market, offer escrow services and you'll be harassed by the existing players. If we can keep that from happening to campaign managers the over saturated market will sort itself out the right way.

[hilariousetc]

Recently, a few different people emailed me asking about how forum advertising works, including sig advertising. I tell them about the inhouse forum ads, of course, but I get the sense that they are very interested in running sig-ad campaigns.

I wouldn't be so sure. I get messages occasionally asking about sig campaigns and half of the time I can't tell whether they're just another clueless spammer that has heard you can earn money here but has no idea what they're doing, a person who wants me to run their campaign for them, or just how they go about running a campaign themselves. Engaging with them is usually fruitless and a waste of time and I still end up none the wiser in what they actually want from me.

Am still waiting for a few managers to respond back to my PMs so that the thread can be up and ready by tomorrow atleast.  

You can include me, but aren't there already several lists comprising of sig managers? How is this list going to be compiled or ordered? What is the criteria for being on it? Do you have to be trusted or have previously ran campaigns? Are you going to list anyone who wants to be a manager? If not, how do new users get on it? Are you going to list managers like sylon who's campaigns are continually abused by farmers and bots and he pays anyone to make any old crap including the 200 Russian farmers who regurgitate the same nonsense on each of their accounts?

[Lauda]

You can include me, but aren't there already several lists comprising of sig managers?

Outdated and/or include other services in them

How is this list going to be compiled or ordered? What is the criteria for being on it? Do you have to be trusted or have previously ran campaigns? Are you going to list anyone who wants to be a manager? If not, how do new users get on it? Are you going to list managers like sylon who's campaigns are continually abused by farmers and bots and he pays anyone to make any old crap including the 200 Russian farmers who regurgitate the same nonsense on each of their accounts?

You're making it a tad difficult for mister pug, I like it. 

[mdayonliner]

How is this list going to be compiled or ordered? What is the criteria for being on it? Do you have to be trusted or have previously ran campaigns? Are you going to list anyone who wants to be a manager? If not, how do new users get on it? Are you going to list managers like sylon who's campaigns are continually abused by farmers and bots and he pays anyone to make any old crap including the 200 Russian farmers who regurgitate the same nonsense on each of their accounts?

You're making it a tad difficult for mister pug, I like it.  

Let's hope pugman has the best idea and s/he will come out with a list which will impress the most (knowing no one can satisfy everyone). I like this dissection too from hilariousetc  

[pugman]

You can include me, but aren't there already several lists comprising of sig managers? 

I already have,waiting for your PM. Check your main account.

How is this list going to be compiled or ordered? What is the criteria for being on it? Do you have to be trusted or have previously ran campaigns? 

The list has a lot of details,its certainly big,and the criteria includes a lot of factors and anti-spam management,experience play a part of it. There are mnay more factors too.

Are you going to list anyone who wants to be a manager? If not, how do new users get on it?

No. New users get on it,by doing it the hard way. The same way how old campaign managers got opportunities to manage campaigns,not because of the list but because of their skill.

Are you going to list managers like sylon who's campaigns are continually abused by farmers and bots and he pays anyone to make any old crap including the 200 Russian farmers who regurgitate the same nonsense on each of their accounts?

No.The list is medium-big I guess,15-19 people are there so far,my selection has been very picky and it shall be out once all of them send a confirmation.

[OgNasty]

Am still waiting for a few managers to respond back to my PMs so that the thread can be up and ready by tomorrow atleast.  

You didn’t PM me. 

[AverageGlabella]

The list is medium-big I guess,15-19 people are there so far,my selection has been very picky and it shall be out once all of them send a confirmation.

Doesn't sound picky enough.

[digaran]

Am still waiting for a few managers to respond back to my PMs so that the thread can be up and ready by tomorrow atleast.  

You didn’t PM me. 

I think you are rich enough. let us new comers earn some money too. 

[Cobalt9317]

Am still waiting for a few managers to respond back to my PMs so that the thread can be up and ready by tomorrow atleast. 

I want to see that thread so I can always check on it if the person running a signature campaign already establish themselves not a new member spouting jargon about sig adz.

I think you are rich enough. let us new comers earn some money too. 

I feel bad and I have no concrete idea why. 

[hilariousetc]

You can include me, but aren't there already several lists comprising of sig managers? 

I already have,waiting for your PM. Check your main account.

How is this list going to be compiled or ordered? What is the criteria for being on it? Do you have to be trusted or have previously ran campaigns? 

The list has a lot of details,its certainly big,and the criteria includes a lot of factors and anti-spam management,experience play a part of it. There are mnay more factors too.

Are you going to list anyone who wants to be a manager? If not, how do new users get on it?

No. New users get on it,by doing it the hard way. The same way how old campaign managers got opportunities to manage campaigns,not because of the list but because of their skill.

Are you going to list managers like sylon who's campaigns are continually abused by farmers and bots and he pays anyone to make any old crap including the 200 Russian farmers who regurgitate the same nonsense on each of their accounts?

No.The list is medium-big I guess,15-19 people are there so far,my selection has been very picky and it shall be out once all of them send a confirmation.

But on what criteria and who gets to decide which manager is 'anti-spam' or 'competent', or has enough 'experience'? What happens if managers like Darkstar don't meet the criteria because they haven't run many campaigns (even though in my opinion he is probably running the best campaign right now in terms of spam management and reputation)? Who gets to say managers like Sylon won't be involved and what is the criteria for not including him? I'm sure sylon and many others will argue they should be on there and him being terrible as a campaign manager is just my opinion. In what order are they going to be listed? Most trusted? Person who has ran the most campaigns? All these just lead to more questions and issues and this is the trouble with centralised lists. A list with 20 campaign managers will probably include ones far worse than sylon as well (or even worse, turn out to be scammers).

[mdayonliner]

But on what criteria and who gets to decide which manager is 'anti-spam' or 'competent', or has enough 'experience'? What happens if managers like Darkstar don't meet the criteria because they haven't run many campaigns (even though in my opinion he is probably running the best campaign right now in terms of spam management and reputation)? Who gets to say managers like Sylon won't be involved and what is the criteria for not including him? I'm sure sylon and many others will argue they should be on there and him being terrible as a campaign manager is just my opinion. In what order are they going to be listed? Most trusted? Person who has ran the most campaigns? All these just lead to more questions and issues and this is the trouble with centralised lists. A list with 20 campaign managers will probably include ones far worse than sylon as well (or even worse, turn out to be scammers).

I think you have a valid point here. A centralized list will create a lot of issues like:
#A cold war in between the not listed service providers with the person maintaining the list. There will be some service providers who will have valid reason to be added in the list. Who will justify issues like this?
#Service providers in the lists will start computing with each others which will result in lowering the payouts for projects. i.e: all these freelancer bidding sites
#Sure this will (lower payout) also impact on compromising the service quality.

There could be more... But actually we don't know about the possible outcomes until we try. So, lets see how it goes first.

update: That's a coincidence @hilariousetc. After posting this, I just noticed you sent me a merit on my other post. The timing will definitely make digaran to say that I am your slave although I ignore his/her comments.

[pugman]

But on what criteria and who gets to decide which manager is 'anti-spam' or 'competent', or has enough 'experience'? 

All-in-one I guess. The managers who I have included have some of the best selection,are reputable enough,have done a lot of trades,have been on this forum for a while and also know how to handle situations if they go south.

What happens if managers like Darkstar don't meet the criteria because they haven't run many campaigns (even though in my opinion he is probably running the best campaign right now in terms of spam management and reputation)?

DarkStar_ met my criteria and he is on my list. I have included one person who has not managed a single signature campaign yet but is managing a twitter campaign right now,and he is on the list because he met my criteria. There is another person on my list who has managed one proper signature  campaign and has managed a rent-a-sig campaign.

Who gets to say managers like Sylon won't be involved and what is the criteria for not including him? I'm sure sylon and many others will argue they should be on there and him being terrible as a campaign manager is just my opinion. 

He is not on the list because his campaigns are usually abused by bounty hunters and he was not the right fit for my list. I didn't involve most(99%) of the bounty managers.

In what order are they going to be listed? Most trusted? Person who has ran the most campaigns?

Alphabetical.

All these just lead to more questions and issues and this is the trouble with centralised lists. A list with 20 campaign managers will probably include ones far worse than sylon as well (or even worse, turn out to be scammers).

You're on the list. You be the judge if you're worse than sylon or not. To those of you who I didn't send a PM to or didn't involve them in a list,you'll get onto once you start doing your damn job. There might be a slight chance that I might have missed a good campaign manager. If you do well in the future campaigns,I will add you. So do what you have to do.Thread shall be up by tonight,only two more managers need to send their details. And I short-listed a few of them,so the current count down is 15 managers.

[krishnaverma]

I have a question for you Admin. Why don't you send those people interested in advertising here to the advertising packages offered by this forum ? You sending them to an affiliate manager (however reputed he is) can cause unnecessary troubles.

[Intrepid-Ventures]

Bitcoin signature campaigns are great for creating backlinks to website, it doesn't surprise anyone that the demand for signature managers are increasing considering the amount of manual labour required.

[pugman]

Thread is up and ready: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4412712.0 Hope that people like it.

[theymos]

Thread is up and ready: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4412712.0 Hope that people like it.

Thanks, I linked it in the adinfo page.