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IMPORTANT! Bitcointalk merged many post in one in this thread, in many places,
without any question or something to tell before...... I find it a little dangeruos. Many links would be not valid - I should check later everything!!!
I hope you will understand the situation. Sorry for wrong links, and for a such situation.
I think, we change our way to communicate to our followers. More information will be published later.




(( the Thread wasn't disturbed through Trolls - for a while sure.
   You can read the whole history up to this post (Why we need Charm, How will Vortexledger work without a "general" thing...) undisturbed, I checked:
   Please read it - up to the post above. It contains important informations - I think. ))

What we targeted?

 - through a P2P Network (Network of "Cells") backed crypto - Charm. 100 Charm = 1 Kiss ... Kiss ("Csók" vagy "puszi" in hungarian language) is a "natural" physically form of our asset Smiley We accepts it Cheesy already.
 - support of clear barter, a ledger (Vortexledger) without "general" equvalent - an economy - without moneysystem Cheesy  
      ((A 'No' Money with a 'No' DB for our 'No' Republica ... For 'No' Nuclear - of course. To reserve our Gaia for our children. More can you read through links in the third post.)).
 - Charm will be a "multi"-ledger asset.
 - Dorothyum - a "multi"-ledger DApp - an auctionshaus for everything.
 - The DApp's on our economy will produce a revenue in Charm (or in tokenized things (i.e. oil, water, working power, ...) later). We will share this revenue
      - to the owners of Charm,
      - to the Custodian's in Cell's, (( a woman can take i.e. a colored stone or diamond ring from a man, and she can earn with it! The man also! Smiley ))
      - to Owner's in Cell's, and
      - to some Funds, acting for Gaia.
      - maybe for support and development with some Kisses Smiley also ...
 - As first, we choiched Byteball Ledger because
      - it is GREEN!!! No wasting of computing power!!!!!!
      - the new form of the Ledger (it based on DAG!!!),
      - the new form of smart contracts (more better as solidity...),
      - and the possibility for chat bot's
 ...

What is workig already?

 - Charm already listed on the Byteball Ledger's Exchange bot!!! You can buy it freely.
 - We backs Charm already through an Emerald. We "tonenize" this Emerald at this time - later we tokenize everything, what will be offered and accepted...
 - our testserver - yum (Amsterdam) already running
 - our first servers - thyum (Amsterdam), dorothy (Sydney) and toto (Toronto) running also

The development plan, planned architecture, about milestones...: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg39128463#msg39128463
This post at this time the second post - in second post we trying to show some very important post.
A history about the second post's you can find on the third post with the resources, and with some other important information...

... and about the actual fair price of Charm ...

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About the Architecture of Dorothyum

Dorothyum is planned to be an open ledger independent dApp...
Charm, Kisses and Toto's will be freely movable between ledgers.
Our planned steps:









If somebody needs timeline and milestones - I can ask Merlin, but I know, what Merlin says for such questions:
"There is no time, Clown, only real changes will bring our current world to an another..."

Some information about the planned distribution of Charm:



We are reserving some Charm's for 2nd ICO, on different Ledger's, and for a Campaign...

3% reserved as Bounty...
1% for a Campaign Manager... (to be announced later)
1% for the Team of Campaign Manager

20% Charm for 2nd ICO on the Ethereum AND Ethereum Classic Ledger (Just to wait, up to Merlin doing some magic for a safe Ethereum smart contract... Maybe only 100 years... Merlin think it's enough, don't 1000 years needed as first planned.)
20% Charm for Exchange Bot on the Byteball Ledger (RUNNING!!!! You should pay 30% less, as the price on the Ethereum Ledger planned at this time, We offered through the BOT already the first orders with this price!)
20% Charm for 2nd ICO on the Bitcoin (RSK) Ledger (just wait - maybe we start this, with a bounty campagne, in days!!!)
20% Charm reserved for 2nd ICO on other Ledger's with some rehabilitation because some event (as i.e. MtGox bankruptcy, Horizon delisting from Poloniex, ...) in the history of bitcoin and alt's (we should it check accurately before)

10% Charm will be reserved for our Vortexledger. Vortexledger planned to be an open ledger to support barter, without any general equalent, as Ethereum (ETH), or Bitcoin (BTC), dollar (USD), euro (EUR), ...
In Vortexledger you can barter with Kisses i.e. ... A Kiss has always physical form - you know. It used in barter as long ago as animals living in our planet! Maybe more? I don't know...
Maybe Kisses needs some Charm, but Toto will be not as big as today - Toto will be hundredth less as at this time. On all Ledgers behind Dorothyum... It is possible you can't transfer only 1 Toto on a Ledger.
And we will call it Toto, as was promised before. The smallest unit in Dorothyum remains ALLWAYS Toto!
It is planned, that Toto's will be possible to move between markets. With a needed conversions, of course.

~100 000 .. 50 000 years before was only barter used between people in our globe. It become later such complex, it produced issues, the peolpe was unable to solve. It was the general equalent invented. Gold?
We know already, that our money-system has issues also. It producing issues, our politicians can't solve - we touch it at this time. We think, barter was better.
Satoshi tried to solv the issues through invent bitcoin. But Satoshi invented only a new kind of money! Our wrong money system will it use as other currencies used at this time - not the needed change, we think.
To invent money, bitcoin and open ledger was maybe only a needed step for our civilisation.
We think, the problem of barter can be solved at this time already with the knowledge it exists and with some creativity.

Dorothyum will be run on every ledger where it is defined. Dorothyum will be then indepentent from the ledger through this behavior.
Kisses are definitely indepentent from the type of economy - we known Smiley


Please visit our projects on this forum: Charm, Dorothyum and Vortexledger (an open ledger for "No" Money, for barter)
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About the fair price of Charm...

Abbreviations:

PO - Projekt Owner
PM - Projekt Manager
SM - Scrum Master
HD - The Head of the development
Scrum Team - please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(software_development)
(ifinta the retired) Clown (at this time the dev and pm) - in the Kingdom (of Arthur Pendragon) a clown may say everything - really everything... And he (/ she) may thinking (and feeling) about things a little more Smiley

Team:

PO     - Arthur Pendragon (a well known Knight from the Tale!!!)
PM     - ifinta
HD     - ifinta (on Byteball verified asset issuer, the well known Custodian of the EMERALD, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28645)
SM     - Merlin (the greatest wizard all of time - we need it. As community manager, and for the market also. Maybe to develop our programmers and testers - they needs the knowledge of Merlin sometimes - really...)

About our developments:

The git repository: https://github.com/ifinta/vortexledger
To ask, diskuss things - we would like to use Telegram. I created a group "vortexledger", and we have a channel t.me/vortexledger also...
A reddit post to diskuss the vision, ... on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/9u2men/a_criticism_of_bitcoin_as_a_kind_of_money_and_a/
My profile on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/istv%C3%A1n-finta-3a295923/
I tweet rarely, but sometimes I do it: https://twitter.com/ifinta66
The twitter page of the projects: https://twitter.com/vortexledger/
The facebook page of the projects: https://www.facebook.com/vortexledger/

About 'No' Republica: https://www.facebook.com/No-Republica-926677260862586/
About P2P NRC - our Foundation for Gaia: https://www.facebook.com/groups/p2pnrc/

The list of the published second posts in this thread:

06.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47475606#msg47475606 Added information about the planned distribution of the (reserved) Charm's
05.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47566346#msg47566346 About the Architecture of Dorothyum
05.01.2019 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg49066619#msg49066619 About Charm as a kind of money, and why we need it. How Vortexledger will be work - without a "general" thing...
  ((it wasn't second post, but both are very important explanation...))
04.11.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47566346#msg47566346 About the Architecture of Dorothyum
03.08.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg43369328#msg43369328 About 'Standard Sizes' for the use of 'Exchange Bot'
02.06.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg39190876#msg39190876 About our distributed "centralbank" and about a conventional centralbank

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To save as original first post...

Hi,

I would like to present a mail of my PM - I am only a PO in our Scrum Team (we develop agile...). The PM and the Dev Team would like to remain anonymous. Please read, what Oz, the PM, written us:

"
Hi, I am Oz.

I am proud to present my plan to establish an auction house on the byteball open ledger (later Byteball).

The name of the auction house is
Dorothyum.

You can use Charm to buy something in this auction house.
 
Charm is an asset on the Byteball. I reserve 1% of Charm for me (0.3%), and my team (0.7%).

Charm is backed currently only with one emerald stored in London and behind an asset issued by ifinta on Byteball. ifinta is on Byteball a verified asset issuer. He will present this mail to the community and he is the PO in this project. I am a PM. I have a dev team. I would like to be remain anonymous. Here is a link to the asset description on the Byteball asset directory:

https://byteball.market/#!/assets/2z36V1HUNmvFedu9PH0I3SzCd+TjOhXZCijrIYWbA5w=

I buyed this Asset (EMERALD or EMD) from ifinta, but I don't claimed it - ifinta stores this emerald for us, he is the custodian of this one piece of emerald. We made an agreement about it. We known each other personally. For the store up to one year I payed 1% Charm to ifinta. After one year I will decide to pay another 0.5% for the next year, or close this aggreement. If I decide to pay for a store of this emerald for a year, I allways become the right for the following year to expand this aggreement, but I will pay allways only halb price for the following year. If I decide to claim the emerald, it will no more back up Charm, it will be offered on an auction house. The price of the emerald (100%) will be shared as an extra revenue for a stake in Charm (92.3%) and the remained amount (7.7%) belong to me and my team.

This emerald has currently a price on the certificate: 104000 british pound ~
it backs 1 000 000 000 Charm (max. supply)

To buy Charm in this ICO you should send Bitcoins to this address:

1CoVKCMfkUr1fPqEWhoBhv1dRJmKREpsfn

1000000 Charm costs 0.02 Bitcoins - but up to end the day of 10. Juni 2018 is only 0.018 Bitcoins ... All time is in UTC. This offer will close latest end of Juni or if all Charm sold completly. The max. supply will be 1 000 000 000 – no one can be created later on Byteball. Payments more as 0.02 Bitcoins from a single adress we accepts as 0.02 Bitcoin. The amount above 0.02 Bitcoin we take as a donation for our foundation – a foundation for Dorothyum and maybe more, please see below... If some Charms remained - it will be transferred to our foundation also. If you pays later as 30 Juni 2018 or no more Charm is available and you send bitcoins to us – no problem – we accept it, as a donation for our foundation.

After our development you can use / support Dorothyum, and you will be rewarded.

You can list assets in Dorothyum,
You can buy assets through auctions, or
You can simple buy listed items on listing price after a week an auction closed and the thing, represented by the asset, and it didn't claimed, remained listed... The price is 10% more as the listing price.

This auction house will have allways a revenue, we hope... This revenue (100%) will be divided into five different shares:

20% for the verified custodians of things actually represented by an assets listed in Dorothyum. If an Asset will be sold through Dorothyum, itt will remained listed up to three month... The weight for the dividend is listing price * duration of the listing.

45% for the buyer for the whole time, the thing is listed, from the beginning of the auction or from the time of the buying, if the asset was simple listed in Dorothyum... The weight for the dividend is listing price * duration of the listing.

18% for a dividend for people they have actually a stake in Charm...

5% reserved me and my team for the development, costs and support of Dorothyum

12% is for some foundations and organisations acting for the health of our Globe - for life of Gaia

Dividends will be shared latest after one month after a season.

The planned pricelist of Dorothyum:

start an auction: 0 if the start price is 0. If the start price not 0 then 1% of the winning bid or the biggest bid price or the start price, what is bigger... If you give minimal price, you should pay 1% of the minimal price also as a fee.

to give or cancel a bid: 1000 Toto (Toto is allways the smallest unit of Charm. Toto is actually 0.00000001 Charm)

if you win an Asset: 3% of the winner price – winner price will be called later as listing price

to expand the listing up to three month again: 1% of the last listing price (up to 1 year of the End of the last listing)

to choose another listing price: 0.5% of the last listing price plus 0.5% of the new listing price

Remarks, posts, critics, investitions, tips are welcome Smiley

Best regards,
Oz
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Please visit our projects on this forum: Charm, Dorothyum and Vortexledger (an open ledger for "No" Money, for barter)
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This defenetely looks very attractive and I think I'm going to participate here. I also enjoy the website's intro
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Thank you! I just visited your homepage - thank you for this support. I check, what would like we to do on https://icoholder.com . Please, be patient.
I will add some important information on the first post about bitcoin private keys and exchanges... I got some feedback already, many thanks. And as soon as possible, I check your site also.

Hello! I am editor from icoholder.com. Your ICO was added to our listing and now is available to investors: https://icoholder.com/en/dorothyum-charm-toto-and-emerald-on-the-byteball-dev-by-oz-22148 You can edit your Page by adding more information about your ICO after verification and also verify team members to improve ranking.   



I logged in yesterday with my facebook profile on your site - and sent from my e-mail account an e-mail to info@icoholder.com . To become rights Smiley to change the Information what was copied to your page for this ICO.
I hope - I did it correctly... I waiting on your answer.

Thank you! I just visited your homepage - thank you for this support. I check, what would like we to do on https://icoholder.com . Please, be patient.
I will add some important information on the first post about bitcoin private keys and exchanges... I got some feedback already, many thanks. And as soon as possible, I check your site also.

Hello! I am editor from icoholder.com. Your ICO was added to our listing and now is available to investors: https://icoholder.com/en/dorothyum-charm-toto-and-emerald-on-the-byteball-dev-by-oz-22148 You can edit your Page by adding more information about your ICO after verification and also verify team members to improve ranking.   



I added this picture to our second post... Remarks, ideas, any comments welcome.


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Hi ifinta!
As we spoke personally I would like to join your team as a head of marketing.

Waiting for your reply!

Sincerely,

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Hi Laguna Blue!

Thank you for joining our project.

Hi ifinta!
As we spoke personally I would like to join your team as a head of marketing.

Waiting for your reply!

Sincerely,

Laguna Blue



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Hi,

I would like to present mail of my PM - I am only the PO in our Scrum Team (we develop agile...). The PM and the Dev Team would like to remain anonymous. Please read, what Oz, the PM, written us:

"
Hi, I am Oz.

I am proud to present my plan to establish an auction house on the byteball open ledger (later Byteball).

The name of the auction house is Dorothyum.

You can use Charm to buy something in this auction house.
 
Charm is an asset on Byteball. I reserve 1% of Charm for me (0.3%), and my team (0.7%).

Charm is backed currently only with one emerald, stored in London and behind an asset issued by ifinta on Byteball. ifinta is on Byteball a verified asset issuer. He will present this mail to the community and he is the PO in this project. I am the PM. I have a dev team. I would like to remain anonymous. Here is a link to the asset description on the Byteball asset directory:

https://byteball.market/#!/assets/2z36V1HUNmvFedu9PH0I3SzCd+TjOhXZCijrIYWbA5w=

I bought this Asset (EMERALD or EMD) from ifinta, but I didn't claim it - ifinta stores this emerald for us, he is the custodian of this piece of emerald. We signed an agreement about it. We known each other personally. For one year storage, I paid 1% Charm to ifinta. After one year I will decide to pay another 0.5% for the next year, or close this agreement. If I decide to pay for storage of this emerald for a year, I always get the right to expand for the following year this agreement, but I will pay always the only half price for the following year. If I decide to claim the emerald, it will no more back up Charm, it will be offered on an auction house. The price of the emerald (100%) will be shared as an extra revenue for a stake in Charm (92.3%) and the remained amount (7.7%) belong to me and my team.

This emerald currently has a certificated price: 104000 British pounds ~
it backs 1 000 000 000 Charm (max. supply)

Buying Charm in this ICO you should send Bitcoins to this address:

1CoVKCMfkUr1fPqEWhoBhv1dRJmKREpsfn

1 000 000 Charms cost 0.02 Bitcoins - but up to end the day of 10th of June 2018 is only 0.018 Bitcoins ... All time is in UTC. This offer is closing at the end of June, or if all Charms are sold out completely. The max. supply will be 1 000 000 000 – no one can be created later on Byteball. Payments more as 0.02 Bitcoins from a single address we accept as 0.02 Bitcoin. The amount above 0.02 Bitcoin we take as a donation for our foundation – a foundation for Dorothyum and maybe more, please see below... Please use only addresses, where you own the private keys explicitly (never transfer your payment from an exchange... i.e.)! If we can't identify a payment - we will take as a support of our foundation. If some Charms remain - it will be transferred to our foundation also. If you pay later than 30th of June 2018 or no Charms are available and you send bitcoins to us – no problem – we accept it, as a donation for our foundation.

After our development, you can use / support Dorothyum, and you will be rewarded.

You can list assets in Dorothyum,
You can buy assets through auctions, or
You can simply buy listed items on listing price after a week an auction closed and the thing, represented by the asset, and it didn't claim, remained listed... The price is 10% more as the listing price.

This auction house will have always revenue, we hope... This revenue (100%) will be divided into five different shares:

20% of the verified custodians of things actually represented by assets listed in Dorothyum. If an Asset will be sold through Dorothyum, it will remain listed up to three months... The weight of the dividend is listing price * duration of the listing.

45% for the buyer for the whole time, the item is listed, from the beginning of the auction or from the time of the buying, if the asset was simply listed in Dorothyum... The weight for the dividend is listing price * duration of the listing.

18% for a dividend for people they have actually a stake in Charm...

5% reserved me and my team for the development, costs, and support of Dorothyum

12% is for some foundations and organizations acting for the health of our Globe - for life of Gaia

Dividends will be shared latest after one month after a season.

The planned pricelist of Dorothyum:

Start an auction: 0 if the start price is 0. If the start price, not 0 then 1% of the winning bid or the biggest offered price or the initial price, what is bigger... If you give minimal price, you should pay 1% of the minimal price also as a fee.

Give or cancel a bid: 1 000 Toto (Toto is always the smallest unit of Charm. Toto is actually 0.00000001 Charm)

If you win an Asset: 3% of the winner price – winner price will be called later as the listing price

Expand the listing up to three months again: 1% of the last listing price (up to 1 year of the End of the last listing)

Choosing another listing price: 0.5% of the last listing price plus 0.5% of the new listing price

Remarks, posts, critics, investigations, tips are welcome Smiley

Best regards,
Oz
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Thank you, Laguna Blue, the correction of our text. I corrected the first post also.

Hi,

I would like to present mail of my PM - I am only the PO in our Scrum Team (we develop agile...). The PM and the Dev Team would like to remain anonymous. Please read, what Oz, the PM, written us:

"
Hi, I am Oz.

I am proud to present my plan to establish an auction house on the byteball open ledger (later Byteball).

The name of the auction house is Dorothyum.

You can use Charm to buy something in this auction house.
 
Charm is an asset on Byteball. I reserve 1% of Charm for me (0.3%), and my team (0.7%).

Charm is backed currently only with one emerald, stored in London and behind an asset issued by ifinta on Byteball. ifinta is on Byteball a verified asset issuer. He will present this mail to the community and he is the PO in this project. I am the PM. I have a dev team. I would like to remain anonymous. Here is a link to the asset description on the Byteball asset directory:

https://byteball.market/#!/assets/2z36V1HUNmvFedu9PH0I3SzCd+TjOhXZCijrIYWbA5w=

I bought this Asset (EMERALD or EMD) from ifinta, but I didn't claim it - ifinta stores this emerald for us, he is the custodian of this piece of emerald. We signed an agreement about it. We known each other personally. For one year storage, I paid 1% Charm to ifinta. After one year I will decide to pay another 0.5% for the next year, or close this agreement. If I decide to pay for storage of this emerald for a year, I always get the right to expand for the following year this agreement, but I will pay always the only half price for the following year. If I decide to claim the emerald, it will no more back up Charm, it will be offered on an auction house. The price of the emerald (100%) will be shared as an extra revenue for a stake in Charm (92.3%) and the remained amount (7.7%) belong to me and my team.

This emerald currently has a certificated price: 104000 British pounds ~
it backs 1 000 000 000 Charm (max. supply)

Buying Charm in this ICO you should send Bitcoins to this address:

1CoVKCMfkUr1fPqEWhoBhv1dRJmKREpsfn

1 000 000 Charms cost 0.02 Bitcoins - but up to end the day of 10th of June 2018 is only 0.018 Bitcoins ... All time is in UTC. This offer is closing at the end of June, or if all Charms are sold out completely. The max. supply will be 1 000 000 000 – no one can be created later on Byteball. Payments more as 0.02 Bitcoins from a single address we accept as 0.02 Bitcoin. The amount above 0.02 Bitcoin we take as a donation for our foundation – a foundation for Dorothyum and maybe more, please see below... Please use only addresses, where you own the private keys explicitly (never transfer your payment from an exchange... i.e.)! If we can't identify a payment - we will take as a support of our foundation. If some Charms remain - it will be transferred to our foundation also. If you pay later than 30th of June 2018 or no Charms are available and you send bitcoins to us – no problem – we accept it, as a donation for our foundation.

After our development, you can use / support Dorothyum, and you will be rewarded.

You can list assets in Dorothyum,
You can buy assets through auctions, or
You can simply buy listed items on listing price after a week an auction closed and the thing, represented by the asset, and it didn't claim, remained listed... The price is 10% more as the listing price.

This auction house will have always revenue, we hope... This revenue (100%) will be divided into five different shares:

20% of the verified custodians of things actually represented by assets listed in Dorothyum. If an Asset will be sold through Dorothyum, it will remain listed up to three months... The weight of the dividend is listing price * duration of the listing.

45% for the buyer for the whole time, the item is listed, from the beginning of the auction or from the time of the buying, if the asset was simply listed in Dorothyum... The weight for the dividend is listing price * duration of the listing.

18% for a dividend for people they have actually a stake in Charm...

5% reserved me and my team for the development, costs, and support of Dorothyum

12% is for some foundations and organizations acting for the health of our Globe - for life of Gaia

Dividends will be shared latest after one month after a season.

The planned pricelist of Dorothyum:

Start an auction: 0 if the start price is 0. If the start price, not 0 then 1% of the winning bid or the biggest offered price or the initial price, what is bigger... If you give minimal price, you should pay 1% of the minimal price also as a fee.

Give or cancel a bid: 1 000 Toto (Toto is always the smallest unit of Charm. Toto is actually 0.00000001 Charm)

If you win an Asset: 3% of the winner price – winner price will be called later as the listing price

Expand the listing up to three months again: 1% of the last listing price (up to 1 year of the End of the last listing)

Choosing another listing price: 0.5% of the last listing price plus 0.5% of the new listing price

Remarks, posts, critics, investigations, tips are welcome Smiley

Best regards,
Oz
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Laguna Blue leaved our project.
Thanky you, Laguna Blue, for the correction of syntax errors in the first post.

Hi Laguna Blue!

Thank you for joining our project.

Hi ifinta!
As we spoke personally I would like to join your team as a head of marketing.

Waiting for your reply!

Sincerely,

Laguna Blue



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I want to participate in presale. What is the minimum amount of btc/eth to take part?
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We don't defined a minimum... The amount of Charm will be truncated - so if it don't reach 1 Charm, it will accepted as support.
It isn't a presale - it is a real ICO.
Maximum is defined - it is 0.02 BTC ...

I want to participate in presale. What is the minimum amount of btc/eth to take part?




TonyCh on byteball just added our asset to the Exchange bot:




The last block, what was accepted with ~10% premium: Block #526905 on the bitcoin blockchain.
Thank you all, for contribution...



We decided to release some Charm to the Byteball exchange also. Oz will set some order on the exchange of byteball. The price will be ~ the some as in bitcoins, maybe a little different. So you can buy some Charm on the Byteball exchange also, before the end of this ICO. In the order book we consider to release at some time only up to 1000000 Charm. We thinking about, how can we start the claim process for the bitcoin payments ASAP - please be patient. We will set up a possibility for you, to check how many Charms remained...



You can check the remained amount of Charm through Byteball Explorer:
https://explorer.byteball.org/#6P3YI6ZZMC3BJ2U2ZVH6RROG6E5Q7NO3
Please check the balance of the asset with id: oF9wmH31QDL/VXppOJ9mHISrvcdJQ1rqU+Jv8GRQH84=




I started a poll ...
Please vote Smiley
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4458732

(( I just locked this Poll. Result is: 100 Charm is 1 Kiss Smiley ))



ICO was ended at end of Juni...

Some people joined us.
The mostly Charm going to the EmeraldCity Foundation... The Foundation continues the sell of the Charm's on the Byteball ledger - at daily Price.
Oz (and the Team behind) continues the development. Any news will be here also posted...



We decided with Oz, we will increase the real values behind Charm.
We do this, because the market don't moving already - we should find a value, where the market start to living.
We have enough values - we will increase the values behind Charm, and we will contact known (and of course unknown) persons, they able to do escrow for us.
The target is - to build up a small, but geographically distributed structure (a cell: value - owner - escrow) of cells...

To build the first distributed notenbank.

Thank you - for attention, and maybe for contribution.



We decided with Oz also, to start a hungarian thread. We will change the first post, and we will add the link for hungarian thread.

done. please see the first post or click below:
((about Hunagrian Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20301.msg42566971#msg42566971))



We decided with Oz, we will increase the real values behind Charm.
We do this, because the market don't moving already - we should find a value, where the market start to living.
We have enough values - we will increase the values behind Charm, and we will contact known (and of course unknown) persons, they able to do escrow for us.
The target is - to build up a small, but geographically distributed structure (a cell: value - owner - escrow) of cells...

To build the first distributed notenbank.

Thank you - for attention, and maybe for contribution.

As we decided above - we add today a new jewellery to the treasure, behind Charm...
Owner is Oz, I am the custodian (escrower), the place is, where the treasure is: London - in a safe.

The jewellery:
http://web.wgi-global.com/online-verification/?report=WGI9624109782

We will continues to add cells - se above - up to the Market behind Charm start to well living... (Byteball ledger, Exchange Bot, pair: CHM/GB)



We decided with Oz, we will increase the real values behind Charm.
We do this, because the market don't moving already - we should find a value, where the market start to living.
We have enough values - we will increase the values behind Charm, and we will contact known (and of course unknown) persons, they able to do escrow for us.
The target is - to build up a small, but geographically distributed structure (a cell: value - owner - escrow) of cells...

To build the first distributed notenbank.

Thank you - for attention, and maybe for contribution.

A new cell:
I am the owner, I can show you the certificate of 'International Gemological Institute' personally and the Diamond is stored at 'Absolem' (from 'Alice im wunderland', the Balue Raupe) ... If you need more information - check the Diamond personally - please send me the contact information of you - I will send it to 'Absolem', and 'Absolem' will be decided to contact you.
http://www.igiworldwide.com/verify.php?r=F6B53508



Important information about the "Exchange Bot" on the Byteball Ledger:

If you type 'book' then you don't see the right sizes (Standard Sizes)...
They are mostly cumulative values - they shows a cumulative value for more similar smart contracts, oft with
different amounts and some prices. It is a luck, if they shows only one smart contract.

At this time the order book shows as below:


But it exists 16 orders!

Standard Sizes are allways power of 2.
Charm has 6 decimals. How should we calculate then the Standard Sizes?
See the queue below (only some first values, to show the rules):

0.000001
0.000002
0.000004
0.000008
0.000016
...
0.001024
...
1.048576
...

I used OpenOffice Calc to calculate this queue.

Please use the Standard Sizes - as we do (see our commands as example to sell or to buy):

our command to sell/buy Charm's:

sell 8589.934592 at 0.000001
buy 8589.934592 at 0.0000007

you should type:

buy 8589.934592 at 0.000001
sell 8589.934592 at 0.0000007

If you don't use the Standard Sizes - your order can remain open - without to fullfill your will!!!
Or the order succeeds only partially, because your order will be truncated and break into parts with standard sizes - and you pay more fee's!

The Standard Sizes of our orders (i.e.):

...
8589.934592
17179.869184
34359.738368
68719.476736
137438.953472
274877.906944
549755.813888

and

8796093.022208


This sizes are enough to buy / sell Charm for the values in a wide range...
If you understand it - you can use other amounts also - of course.
You can add i.e. some Standard Sizes to buy / sell more Charm's at once.

If you see an offer, and you would like to know, which Standard Sizes that offer includes, then
please use this link below. The post behind show you a method to find all Standard Sizes in an offer...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg50607415#msg50607415



We decided with Oz, we will increase the real values behind Charm.
We do this, because the market don't moving already - we should find a value, where the market start to living.
We have enough values - we will increase the values behind Charm, and we will contact known (and of course unknown) persons, they able to do escrow for us.
The target is - to build up a small, but geographically distributed structure (a cell: value - owner - escrow) of cells...

To build the first distributed notenbank.

Thank you - for attention, and maybe for contribution.

Please consider - we increasing the REAL value behind Charm slowly ... please see the posts above and the table below.
AND Charm has a fix rate at this time to Byteball GBYTE.
AND the crypto market falling against dollar i.e. ......

the Marketcap behind Charm at beginning was 104000 GBP ...
the Marketcap behind Charm at this time only 26535 GBP ... please see this three charts:

above - the marketcap at this time,
in the middle - the values behind Charm,
below - the members of our decentralised "centralbank"...
 




One "Kiss" only a Farthing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farthing_(British_coin)) at this time Cheesy

We decided with Oz, we will increase the real values behind Charm.
We do this, because the market don't moving already - we should find a value, where the market start to living.
We have enough values - we will increase the values behind Charm, and we will contact known (and of course unknown) persons, they able to do escrow for us.
The target is - to build up a small, but geographically distributed structure (a cell: value - owner - escrow) of cells...

To build the first distributed notenbank.

Thank you - for attention, and maybe for contribution.

Please consider - we increasing the REAL value behind Charm slowly ... please see the posts above and the table below.
AND Charm has a fix rate at this time to Byteball GBYTE.
AND the crypto market falling against dollar i.e. ......

the Marketcap behind Charm at beginning was 104000 GBP ...
the Marketcap behind Charm at this time only 26535 GBP ... please see this three charts:

above - the marketcap at this time,
in the middle - the values behind Charm,
below - the members of our decentralised "centralbank"...
 




A post about Dorothyum on the NXT forum:
https://nxtforum.org/index.php?topic=13102.msg243159#msg243159

We decided to support "the NXT Nuclear Regulatory Comission" in the future, as an Organisation for our Globe, Gaia...
The name will be changed to "the P2P Nuclear Regulatory Comission".
The donations in the future will be accepted in Charm.

The membership will be costs - you can send it to the foundation, or you can give it physically to a member - you will be member also Cheesy

3 Kiss for a Week
10 Kiss for a Month
100 Kiss for a Year

NXT will be in the future accepted as maximal a donation only - NXT is not more usable as membership fee.
Please use Charm for donations also.

At this time only "the P2P Nuclear Regulatory Comission" will be supported through Dorothyum, it means,
12% of the revenue of Dorothyum will be payed to "the P2P Nuclear Regulatory Comission" - please see the first post.



Our planned cells - in the next weeks:
We publish for the first cells - what amount of Charm will they back...
Blue is under diskussion - it will be published later.





The Cells - what we already established - and some things in diskussion...


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 I am interested in this project, and certainly want to receive a lot of info, I think Dorothyum is very unique, and of course with good development, I will continue to monitor, good luck dev
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I am interested in this project, and certainly want to receive a lot of info, I think Dorothyum is very unique, and of course with good development, I will continue to monitor, good luck dev


Smiley Well... Thank you. We will publish informationen, as we do our jobs. Our team and community not big at this time, we have many jobs, and we have a good concept, we think. We need sometimes to travel, to meet each other, to establish this P2P "central"bank for Charm. Later, as the bot tested, everybody can join to our P2P "central"bank, with any valuables. As bot do the job, it will be produce income - and then the valuables behind produce income to cells and owners of Charm (and many more, see first post) also.

Many Kisses to you Cheesy

p.s.: 1 Kiss = 100 Charm - I hope, you know this rule Smiley



I did two trips in September. The first only to Salzburg and Wien. The second to Salzburg, London and to the "Emerald City" - Barcelona Smiley It is a beautiful city with many life in it - I hope many people has a similar feeling. I met with Oz and the team. I will update our table ASAP about Charm and with the first cells. In october I plan two trips again. We planning places in the table for everybody as owner - i.e. through official real jewerly auctions in different places before Christmas. Bids will be welcome. You can take a part of this project up to Christmas - with simple ways, steps. Or up to Hanukkah, ... as you wish. It will be no special krypto knowledge needed. Just follow our posts here.



The Treasure behind Charm (on 20th September 2018 - it will be updated ASAP... It exists more undocumented cells and cells idee already):





I started an auction, here on the bitcointalk, for a possible new row in this table, above (for a new cell, or simple for an ownership a beautiful diamond ring...), and to get some payment to support our development...
Bid's are welcome...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5039444.0



The Market analyse for Charm on the 20th September this year...
Just to see - the price remained to Byteball GBYTE's fix - up to the market start to living...





And the actual Shares in Dorothyum... Just to know.





I reserved three post to show - how will the Market Status, Shares and Treasure changed - after the succesfully auction here on bitcointalk, see our post above about auction...
If this ring and diamond starts to back Charm also!



And the certificate about the central stone:





i.e. the changed treasure table...





and the changes in Shares...





and the Market changes - if the auction closed, and the winner will back Charm with the diamond ring... :





A list about on the bitcointalk started auctions to build a cell...

Unique diamond ring with GIA certificate, option for a SHARE in Dorothyum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5039444.0 closed
2.32ct emerald with IGI certificate, option for a SHARE in Dorothyum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5041290.0 closed
White gold bracelet with WGI certificate, option for a SHARE in Dorothyum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5044132.0 closed
3.55ct topaz ring with IGI certificate, option for a SHARE in Dorothyum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5044127.0 closed
21.49ct sapphire with WGI certificate, option for a SHARE in Dorothyum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5045595.0 closed
21.15ct quartz with WGI certificate, option for a SHARE in Dorothyum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5045588.0 closed
23.24ct amethyst with WGI certificate, option for a SHARE in Dorothyum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5045544.0 closed
10.13ct amethyst with WGI certificate, option for a SHARE in Dorothyum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5045543.0 closed
8.55ct amethyst with WGI certificate, option for a SHARE in Dorothyum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5045542.0 closed
7.26ct amethyst with WGI certificate, option for a SHARE in Dorothyum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5045539.0 closed




List about real jewerly auctions in real auctionshauses to build a cell support us and own a beautiful jewelry...

HUF, Budapest, Hungary on 2018 Dec. 7. (only some jewerlies from us - mostly not for share in Dorothyum, only for sale) https://www.ekszeraukcio.hu/hu/aukcios-tetelek/kovetkezo-aukcio
 We will detail, which jewelry belong to us, which will able to bild a cell later...



I will start some auctions, here on bitcointalk and in different real auctionshauses to build cells - it is similar to an ICO, but it has other opportunities as an ICO can have.
This process will later made on the open ledger, actually I would like to show, how it will be works later - and it can't be fully automatically, because it is a process, where we needs real values and real, well known people. We needs to bind contracts, to find custodians, to travel, ...

The cells will be created as the auctions ends, in similar order.

The backed Charm amount is always a decision of the people in a cell, it is a decision of the actual marketsituation also. It will be remain up to the cell changes - i.e. actual cell contract ends, i.e. because somebody will get the value behind the cell agains the backed Charm amount of this value. i.e. the second cell has a strand of pearl as value behind Charm. It backs 34000000 Charms. If somebody meet with me, give me 34000000 Charm, I will give you this strand of pearl - and all rights (owner rights as a option...) will be transferred to this person: the cell, with a new cell contract, can work later also. The previous cell contract will be closed - as the people in the contract contolled the closing of this contract (payments to owner, payments to custodian, ...). This value, 34000000 Charms, determining mostly what a share this cell has in Dorothyum. Of course, the list of other Cells has impact also. More value give Charm more marketvalue - hopefully on the market will be payed more for Charm with a bigger probability. The next value can be back then less amount of Charm - it is better to invest sooner!



You can get a Stake in Dorothyum in different ways:

 - buy some Charm with the Byteball Exchange Bot. Charm listed as CHM... The price remained some to Byteball GBYTE's at this time as ICO ended end of Juni this year.
   We put contracts at this time, with a less price as the sell offers. So is Charm already on the exchange backed with buy offers from us.
 - establish a Cell. i.e. through an auction listed here, and / or simply through a meet with us...
 - if you have a caffe house, or similar, you can show, you accepts Kisses (Kisses accepted here) and if somebody knows - he / she can pay with Charm, because 1 Kiss = 100 Charm ( don't forget this rule Smiley )



You can use your Charm in different ways:

already soon:

 - simply use it in places, where you see the words: 'Kisses accepted here'. Don't forget - Kisses has material form also! You can give it, and you should accept it Cheesy This rule backs Charm also - I hope.
 - you can give a custodian some Charm, as amount the cell backs. You become rights then as owner in this cell. i.e. You can close this cell, and you can get the value simply... Or leave the value in cell - your decision.

and later:

 - you will get a portion of Dorothyum profit - through your Share in it...



I started an auction, here on the bitcointalk, for a possible new row in tresaure table (for a new cell, or simple for an ownership an emerald gemstone...), and to get some payment to support our development...
Bid's are welcome...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5041290.0






I reserved three post to show - how will the Market Status, Shares and Treasure changed - after the succesfully two auctions (if they ends later...) here on bitcointalk, see our post above about auctions...
If the emerald gemstone (the emerald as the first endend auction - to show the lost for the other opened auctions, where no winner bid already...) and the ring and diamond starts to back Charm also!

Here is the changed Tresaure Table:





The Shares in Dorothyum (if both auctions ends, and emerald wins first):





The Market Status (if both auctions ends, and emerald wins first - updated to the status at this time...):





Just to consider some things:

If Charm backed with more Valuable - it will get more value on the market also.

If Charm has more value, it needs less Charm to buy something  on the market.

A Cell has a valuable behind. A Cell has an Owner and a Custodian - the 'must be' Cell Members - and maybe a legal agreement between Cell Members. The Cell Contract.

The Cell Contract must have a paragraph, how this Cell back Charm and an amount about the price, the 'Cell Value', in Charm of the ownership of the Valuables and all the rights of the owner.
This ownership can be changed with a simple payment to the Cell's custodian.

The Cell members can be anonymous - but it should be public, how can everybody reach the Custodian, how can be made the payment of the Cell Value against the 'Cell Ownership'.

The Cell Value will be defined at the time, the Cell is made with the actual market conditions. At this time it is a simple deal between the first cell members - later it will be considered through auctions in Dorothyum. At this time we must be establish a start set of Cells, and we must to use other tools and other type's of deal. i.e. I started two auctions here on bitcointalk, and I will start more ASAP. At this time I show the start set of Cells in our treasure Table. Later it will be created and stored on the Ledger. At this time, because security risks, i.e. it isn't possible.

This proceeding we named: INOV - INitial Offer of Valuables. If somebody got Charm in the ICO - he will be become the right to establish a Cell in the starting set at least through an auction - if you have some Charms, please follow the posts here. We took the owners of Charms firstly to bind a Cell Contract (it was an ICO, it was the development of Curtly, Charm is on the Byteball exchange already - so some people has Charm already - they can inform me about an idea a new Cell) - the Cell will be established as we can find a possible agreement, or / and sign a contract about the Cell.

The Cell Value can remain, if the Cell Owner changes. It is simple to reduce the Cell Value, but the increase is prohibited at this time.

If the Dorothyum auctionhouse got some income through auctions already, the Cell Value has an important role.

i.e.: a strand of pearl (second Cell) at the beginning got a Cell Value of 34 000 000 Charm. A Cell with an 2.32 ct Emerald behind can have 400 000 000 (+40%) Cell Value at this time. Against 0.5 bitcoins at least. Not a big amount - I should to say. See the auctions above. Later it is not more possible, with such conditions, to establish a cell, if somebody decided to establish a Cell with i.e. 1000 kg gold or 1 000 000 barrel öl... Or both... Or more...




Just to consider - Charm backed with Valuables. Charm will got stable price? Not. More valuables - more price. Market panic? More cells will be closed - if somebody it just buyed! But Charm will have always some valuables behind - you can change your Charm to buy Cell ownership (if you enough Charm payed)  - and you can decide AT THAT TIME to close the Cell and you can get the valuables behind! Or you can hold the Cell - it was maybe a bargain a such Cell Value at that market condition - i.e. this 34 000 000 with a Strand of Pearl von Oz... The valuable isn't more the Strand of Pearl just to consider... The Cell, and the rights behind this Cell will be a good value then.



For a controlled price we have an algorithm already. Not so complicated - I should say. But it is reserved for later, as we have a big set of cells - with enough diversification in members, valuables,  places on the globe, more exchanges, a running stable version of Dorothyum, ...



I promised to support people with no special crypto knowledge. Here is the first possibility.

You should buy a natural emerald (only payed invoices counts, with only one emerald - pro person - above 0.3 ct)
next two week in this two jewelry stores in Budapest, Hungary:

https://www.fatumjewels.hu/ekszerek_smaragd_56
https://www.vigekszer.hu/en/61-emerald

We will then start to bind a Cell Contract - we have some custodians already, and you can choose an another - if you wish.

We will take the price, we multiple it with 5 - and then we will get this fix prices for HUF (322.89 HUF/USD), bitcoin (6646 USD), byteball (0.00799775 BTC) and Charm (0.000001 GBYTE) to calculate the Cell Value...  (the actual prices at this time, as I write this post).

You can choice what an Cell Value your Cell will have... With a right emerald. The treasure table will be updated. About the sequence. Just post a picture about the emerald here in this thread.
As you posted it - we will have a sequence.

Of course - I will check later, you have the invoice and the emerald also... Without this three things - you can't establish a Cell later: Invoice between 8. - 21. October 2018 in the two store above,
the buyed emerald and a post here on bitcointalk in this thread ( as anonymous newbie maybe - it is a simple forum, with some Trolls Smiley ). Only one emerald and Cell pro person is allowed. The Persons (Owner and the Custodian) should have the rights and possibilities to sign here in Hungary a valid contract.




I made some Trips after 20.09.2018... I changed the treasure table, ... The actual status:

The market status:


The treasure table:


The Shares in Drothyum:


Sincerely,
ifinta



Some Changes in the treasure table, ... The actual status:

The market status:


The treasure table:


The Shares in Drothyum:


Sincerely,
ifinta




((about Hunagrian Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=20301.msg42566971#msg42566971))

(( to support us through auctions agains bitcoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg46256059#msg46256059 ))
(( to support us agains HUF i.e. in real jewelry auctions: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg46268704#msg46268704 ))

Hi,

I would like to present mail of my PM - I am only the PO in our Scrum Team (we develop agile...). The PM and the Dev Team would like to remain anonymous. Please read, what Oz, the PM, written us:

"
Hi, I am Oz.

I am proud to present my plan to establish an auction house on the byteball open ledger (later Byteball).

The name of the auction house is Dorothyum.

You can use Charm to buy something in this auction house.
 
Charm is an asset on Byteball. I reserve 1% of Charm for me (0.3%), and my team (0.7%).

Charm is backed currently only with one emerald, stored in London and behind an asset issued by ifinta on Byteball. ifinta is on Byteball a verified asset issuer. He will present this mail to the community and he is the PO in this project. I am the PM. I have a dev team. I would like to remain anonymous. Here is a link to the asset description on the Byteball asset directory:

https://byteball.market/#!/assets/2z36V1HUNmvFedu9PH0I3SzCd+TjOhXZCijrIYWbA5w=

I bought this Asset (EMERALD or EMD) from ifinta, but I didn't claim it - ifinta stores this emerald for us, he is the custodian of this piece of emerald. We signed an agreement about it. We known each other personally. For one year storage, I paid 1% Charm to ifinta. After one year I will decide to pay another 0.5% for the next year, or close this agreement. If I decide to pay for storage of this emerald for a year, I always get the right to expand for the following year this agreement, but I will pay always the only half price for the following year. If I decide to claim the emerald, it will no more back up Charm, it will be offered on an auction house. The price of the emerald (100%) will be shared as an extra revenue for a stake in Charm (92.3%) and the remained amount (7.7%) belong to me and my team.

This emerald currently has a certificated price: 104000 British pounds ~
it backs 1 000 000 000 Charm (max. supply)

Buying Charm in this ICO you should send Bitcoins to this address:

1CoVKCMfkUr1fPqEWhoBhv1dRJmKREpsfn

1 000 000 Charms cost 0.02 Bitcoins - but up to end the day of 10th of June 2018 is only 0.018 Bitcoins ...

or simply buy Charm on the Byteball Asset Exchange - you will find it as CHM/GB pair... (issued by Istvan Ferenc Finta, a Verified Asset Issuer)
Charm ( oF9wmH31QDL/VXppOJ9mHISrvcdJQ1rqU+Jv8GRQH84= )
https://byteball.market/#!/assets/oF9wmH31QDL~2FVXppOJ9mHISrvcdJQ1rqU+Jv8GRQH84=
The price is about ~ 1 GBYTE for every 1000000 Charm . This price is approx. same at this time as 0.02 bitcoins.
We added this possibility after the pair ( CHM/GB ) was defined by TonyCh on the Byteball Asset Exchange...
Please see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg39876359#msg39876359

All time is in UTC. This offer is closing at the end of June, or if all Charms are sold out completely. The max. supply will be 1 000 000 000 – no one can be created later on Byteball. Payments more as 0.02 Bitcoins from a single address we accept as 0.02 Bitcoin. The amount above 0.02 Bitcoin we take as a donation for our foundation – a foundation for Dorothyum and maybe more, please see below... Please use only addresses, where you own the private keys explicitly (never transfer your payment from an exchange... i.e.)! If we can't identify a payment - we will take as a support of our foundation. If some Charms remain - it will be transferred to our foundation also. If you pay later than 30th of June 2018 or no Charms are available and you send bitcoins to us – no problem – we accept it, as a donation for our foundation.

You can check the remained amount of Charm through Byteball Explorer:
https://explorer.byteball.org/#6P3YI6ZZMC3BJ2U2ZVH6RROG6E5Q7NO3
Please check the balance of the asset with id: oF9wmH31QDL/VXppOJ9mHISrvcdJQ1rqU+Jv8GRQH84=

After our development, you can use / support Dorothyum, and you will be rewarded.

You can list assets in Dorothyum,
You can buy assets through auctions, or
You can simply buy listed items on listing price after a week an auction closed and the thing, represented by the asset, and it didn't claim, remained listed... The price is 10% more as the listing price.

This auction house will have always revenue, we hope... This revenue (100%) will be divided into five different shares:

20% of the verified custodians of things actually represented by assets listed in Dorothyum. If an Asset will be sold through Dorothyum, it will remain listed up to three months... The weight of the dividend is listing price * duration of the listing.

45% for the buyer for the whole time, the item is listed, from the beginning of the auction or from the time of the buying, if the asset was simply listed in Dorothyum... The weight for the dividend is listing price * duration of the listing.

18% for a dividend for people they have actually a stake in Charm...

5% reserved me and my team for the development, costs, and support of Dorothyum

12% is for some foundations and organizations acting for the health of our Globe - for life of Gaia

Dividends will be shared latest after one month after a season.

The planned pricelist of Dorothyum:

Start an auction: 0 if the start price is 0. If the start price, not 0 then 1% of the winning bid or the biggest offered price or the initial price, what is bigger... If you give minimal price, you should pay 1% of the minimal price also as a fee.

Give or cancel a bid: 1 000 Toto (Toto is always the smallest unit of Charm. Toto is actually 0.00000001 Charm)

If you win an Asset: 3% of the winner price – winner price will be called later as the listing price

Expand the listing up to three months again: 1% of the last listing price (up to 1 year of the End of the last listing)

Choosing another listing price: 0.5% of the last listing price plus 0.5% of the new listing price

Remarks, posts, critics, investments, tips are welcome

Best regards,
Oz
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I closed some auctions. The corrected state is - with some opened auctions:

The market status:


The treasure table:


The Shares in Drothyum:


Sincerely,
ifinta

Please visit our projects on this forum: Charm, Dorothyum and Vortexledger (an open ledger for "No" Money, for barter)
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OK. I'm not that interested in altcoin projects about valuables to be honest, but I am a supporter of Byteball so by default I would really be interested to see a project working on DAG specifically Byteball, which I support (and not IOTA, which I don't support).

I'm still trying to understand the concept though. I saw one of the auctions closed without a bid, so I think people also need to understand it more. Why would I want to bid for a share of an emerald, esp when starting is at 0.5 BTC? Could you help explain?

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OK. I'm not that interested in altcoin projects about valuables to be honest, but I am a supporter of Byteball so by default I would really be interested to see a project working on DAG specifically Byteball, which I support (and not IOTA, which I don't support).

I'm still trying to understand the concept though. I saw one of the auctions closed without a bid, so I think people also need to understand it more. Why would I want to bid for a share of an emerald, esp when starting is at 0.5 BTC? Could you help explain?

I'm sorry, I'm traveling... A little late, but here is the answer:

Many thanks for you - for interesse about our project on Byteball Ledger. Many thanks for your work to understand it. Just ask questions, it is good for me also, to see, what was not good written, what was not enough detailed.

I stopped this two auctions, because of lack of any interesse. I got this two jewerlies, and started a trip around europe, to get some money for our development. The remained auctions has also no interesse - but it isn´t because price, I think, it is because this project is very unique, nobody knows, what will be happens, how can somebody invest in, when and what a profit will be made.

I think for this emerald 0.5 bitcoin a good price. Just consider the option - to build a cell.

Later Dorothyum will produce profit.
Every Cell will have a Stake in Dorothyum. Every Cell will be honored because this Stake.
At the beginning Charm is cheap. i.e.:

(some valuables before the emerald i.e.: 150000 USD)
divided by 1 000 000 000.

0.00015 USD (a ~hunderst of a cent)

The emerald has a value (~3100 USD) - it is possible to back some Charm with this emerald. 3100 USD / 0.00015 USD = 21 000 000 pieces of Charm. But at this time the price of Charm is fixed to Byteball - more cheaper, as before in this bear-market. We waiting for the first trades...
And the "Cell Value" is a decision of cell members at this time. We used above 40 000 000 Charm as Cell Value i.e.

Later it will be added many valuables.
Later will be Charm more expensive. Because more valuables behind. The emerald and then valuables more as 10 000 000 USD i.e.

If it will be offered a new emerald - Charm will have a bigger price:

((some valuables before the emerald i.e.: 150000 USD) +
(the value of the first emerald i.e. 3100 USD) +
10 000 000 USD)
divided by 1 000 000 000.

It is ~1 cent. (0.0101531)

If we take a new emerald with same value (3100 USD), and we made a new cell - the Cell Value will be more smaller. 3100 USD / 0.010531 = 300 000 Charm

The first Cell will be earn more as the second Cell (the base is the Cell Value for every Cell):
40 000 000 / 300 000 = ~133 x more. In percents: 13300 % more !

On an effective market a such attribute will be rewarded...... But it is a start of the market - no such reward will be made - I think. But later...
Comments, questions are welcome.






We decided with Oz, to offer bigger chunks of Charm through Byteball Exchange Bot.
You can see our new offers on the Byteball Ledger already. But we decided to use new prices for this offers - to show the changes in the market in last months...

If somebody used the possibilities our ICO, or have some Charm already - he / she can take a little more, to have enough Charm to get the ownership one our Cell - see our treasure table above. Or everybody can get enough Charm over the Exchange Bot to get one Cell, if he / she deciding to do it.

Every custodian will act to give the ownership of the Cell, if you pays enough Charms (you should pay the Cell Value simple). Just buy some Charm, and get the ownership of the Cell, as you wish.

You will own a uniq jewellery or gemstone at this time AND (your decision of course) an ownership some share in Dorothyum!!!



The new book of offers on the Exchange of Charm:





If you wish, you can get i.e. this Cell's ownership through an anonym Byteball payment ( of course a payment with Charm or Kisses Smiley ) to this Byteball address:

6RKDDLWXNZBIIABFVQMJ2BQRNL4TKAAX

The offered Cell i.e. :


Got it already? Wink

I will change simple after the payment the owner in our treasure table to your Byteball address...
I remain the custodian AND the cell remains in treasure table with same share, or you can contact me ASAP for a new cell contract or for the diamond.

If the Cell has other custodian - you should contact he / she and not me. Or firstly me or other known people to starting the communication to the custodian. i.e. you can reach Tattypoo i.e. over me. You send me contact, and I send it to Tattypoo ...



Just to consider a thing. This structure, we building, isn't centralised as i.e. Tether USD. Or Ripple - XRP. Cheesy
It not just a simple "peg", with thin air, as BitShares...
You can own here diamonds i.e.

I see many trader loosed the control about the market - they loosing a "stable" background with Tether USD, as it loosing USD peg at this time.

Charm planned to be stable. We have algorythm to do it. I think, Charm will have a good use - also for Trader's, if they (after some years maybe) coming back to the crypto market...

You are able at this time, to take your seats in our "plane". ICO is behind us, but you can buy, establish Cell's at this time - through our INOV...




Yes, I see, many traders ( all REAL traders... AND NOT the crypto HOBBY'sts Smiley ) loosing the background, and the faith in crypto market also - with Tether USD, as it loosing PEG at this time.

Yes it can it do - it is only a tether Smiley not a truth USD... So it is a tethered paper money. I don't understand, why was it such popular, really...
It isn't a real valuables as gold, diamand, gem's, jewelleries, ..., knowlledge, work tools, ... BEHIND. But we with Charm DOING it!!!! Charm will be BACKED trough a P2P structure, with Cells as Nodes!

Just to understand the issues behind this movement: Tether has ONE big problem, the centralisation... Tether don't really a truth P2P crypto.
I see some of traders choose Ripple (just to buy something "valueables"), but Ripple is also centralised... For a crypto money isn't good, if it has ONE firm behind as background!!!

I think, the market will be changed as this image shows - sorry for bad News...:


Just to consider a thing. This structure, we building, isn't centralised as i.e. Tether USD. Or Ripple - XRP. Cheesy
It not just a simple "peg", with thin air, as BitShares...
You can own here diamonds i.e.

I see many trader loosed the control about the market - they loosing a "stable" background with Tether USD, as it loosing USD peg at this time.

Charm planned to be stable. We have algorythm to do it. I think, Charm will have a good use - also for Trader's, if they (after some years maybe) coming back to the crypto market...

You are able at this time, to take your seats in our "plane". ICO is behind us, but you can buy, establish Cell's at this time - through our INOV...




I published my ideas about the bear market of bitcoin on tradingview - see my posts there also:
https://www.tradingview.com/u/ifinta/#published-charts



Market history / status [GB/CHM]:

31.06.2018The ICO price was: 0.000001
01.07.2018The market was after ICO between: 0.00000070.000001
20.10.2018The market at this time between: 0.00000160.0000018





The actual state is - with some opened auctions:

The market status:


The treasure table:


The Shares in Drothyum:


Sincerely,
ifinta




Oz decided to close this project because lack of interesse.
I will inform everybody (cell's, ICO participiant, ...) about possibilities...
Sincerly,
ifinta



News. I leave this Project. The new PO is Merlin. The new PM is Arthur Pendragon.
A new Announcement is coming on the bitcointalk.org in the next 1000 years. Be patient...
Sincerely,
ifinta



News. I don't leave the project. Arthur Pendragon find me a good clown. I may to say, post here everything, as a good clown in the Middle Ages in a kingdom. And Arthur Pendragon will decide - it is a joke or it will be taken seriously. ((I don't do anything special - I spoke a little about my role as engineer or / and PM in an average company today - Merlin and Arthur heared it, then they started to laughing, and then was Arthur very serious, and give me this position in the new project. I will be got a salary - 300 Kisses pro day, maybe physically!!! I am happy - really.))

I can say - I am the one well known Clown of Arthur Pendragon at this time!




News:

Merlin told me, he would like to restart the ICO, because we don't made it professional...

 # for an ICO we targeted only a little money, only about 100 000 GBP - we should target much more. i.e. 1 000 000 USD or more as others doing...
 # we tried to give real valuables (gold, jew's, gem's, diamonds, ...) to the people joining the ICO - we should give NOTHING as others doing...

Arthur Pendragon decided then to leave all orders on the exchange, but to start an ICO on the Ethereum Leger, as others doing...
The destination is 1 500 000 USD, and we clear the treasure behind Charm.
Nothing will back Charm from this time, up to the project will work, and everybody has the rights to establish Cells, as the Clown promised before.
We sell only 40% Charm in this "pre" ICO for this amount of USD. Maybe it is enough us up to the end of our life...... And then remains some Charm for later, why not? This is a well known step in this businness.
We should have a whitepaper, as others doing... With some magical thing, with posh buzzwords, as others doing...
We should use Gutenberg Keyboard only. To save creative works - please do only things, what others did already... What known to be good to do.

Merlin happily nodded.

I said - I think Merlin hasn't enough magical power to wizard a safe Ethereum smart contract - but both Merlin and Artur laughing about...

But then Arthur Pendragon become serious, and told me: "Crazy thinking, but I leave you the rights, to sell Charm paralell with the Ethereum ICO on the Byteball Ledger also, but with 30% discount..."

And then they laughing, and laughing... I don't understand. I am only an engineer - ahh sorry - a clown in this project...

Then I asked Arthur Pendragon, what the start of the Ethereum ICO. He said - "Be patient my Clown - we should do some magic before. Merlin start to do it, because the safe smart contract on Ethereum Ledger. It needs some years, maybe 1000... But you, my Clown, have the rigths to exchange Charm on the Byteball Ledger from this time also..."

You should know - in a tale a year is only three days... Be patient.
But you can get Charm - on the Byteball Ledger - and it is very cheap at this time. I told you, the only known Clown of Arthur Pendragon.





News:

We are reserving some Charm's for 2nd ICO, on different Ledger's, and for a Campaign...

3% reserved as Bounty...
1% for a Campaign Manager... (to be announced later)
1% for the Team of Campaign Manager

20% Charm for 2nd ICO on the Ethereum AND Ethereum Classic Ledger (Just to wait, up to Merlin doing some magic for a safe Ethereum smart contract... Maybe only 100 years... Merlin think it's enough, don't 1000 years needed as first planned.)
20% Charm for Exchange Bot on the Byteball Ledger (RUNNING!!!! You should pay 30% less, as the price on the Ethereum Ledger planned at this time, We offered through the BOT already the first orders with this price!)
20% Charm for 2nd ICO on the Bitcoin (RSK) Ledger (just wait - maybe we start this, with a bounty campagne, in days!!!)
20% Charm reserved for 2nd ICO on other Ledger's with some rehabilitation because some event (as i.e. MtGox bankruptcy, Horizon delisting from Poloniex, ...) in the history of bitcoin and alt's (we should it check accurately before)

10% Charm will be reserved for our Vortexledger. Vortexledger planned to be an open ledger to support barter, without any general equalent, as Ethereum (ETH), or Bitcoin (BTC), dollar (USD), euro (EUR), ...
In Vortexledger you can barter with Kisses i.e. ... A Kiss has always physical form - you know. It used in barter as long ago as animals living in our planet! Maybe more? I don't know...
Maybe Kisses needs some Charm, but Toto will be not as big as today - Toto will be hundredth less as at this time. On all Ledgers behind Dorothyum... It is possible you can't transfer only 1 Toto on a Ledger.
And we will call it Toto, as was promised before. The smallest unit in Dorothyum remains ALLWAYS Toto!
It is planned, that Toto's will be possible to move between markets. With a needed conversions, of course.

~100 000 .. 50 000 years before was only barter used between people in our globe. It become later such complex, it produced issues, the peolpe was unable to solve. It was the general equalent invented. Gold?
We know already, that our money-system has issues also. It producing issues, our politicians can't solve - we touch it at this time. We think, barter was better.
Satoshi tried to solv the issues through invent bitcoin. But Satoshi invented only a new kind of money! Our wrong money system will it use as other currencies used at this time - not the needed change, we think.
To invent money, bitcoin and open ledger was maybe only a needed step for our civilisation.
We think, the problem of barter can be solved at this time already with the knowledge it exists and with some creativity.

Dorothyum will be run on every ledger where it is defined. Dorothyum will be then indepentent from the ledger through this behavior.
Kisses are definitely indepentent from the type of economy - we known Smiley




To document, what happened up to this time, I added this Thread to our vortexledger repository in the doc directory.
Please see:

https://github.com/ifinta/vortexledger



The new bids on the Exchange (Byteball ledger)

























If somebody needs timeline and milestones - I can ask Merlin, but I know, what Merlin says for such questions:
"There is no time, Clown, only real changes will bring our current world to an another..."



About the Architecture of Dorothyum

Dorothyum is planned to be an open ledger independent dApp...
Charm, Kisses and Toto's will be freely movable between ledgers.
Our planned steps:









If somebody needs timeline and milestones - I can ask Merlin, but I know, what Merlin says for such questions:
"There is no time, Clown, only real changes will bring our current world to an another..."




Someone asked me for a whitepaper. Here is my answer:

We do our work agile.
We don't do our work as waterfall works.

We have requirements, ideas, plans and a vision - and some result already also - but not more at this time. We check our result continuously...
They sometimes changing - because a need, to reach our vision. The result should be reach the vision, we have.
The vision should be change, if we see, it isn't a good target, because sideeffects i.e. it have - then we should find a better vision, to solve sideeffects.

"Greencoin", "Curtly" was our first visions - and the community and the development continues in this project - all people behind Curtly we tried to integrate in our new project, if they remained active on the channels, we had for Curtly. If somebody had CCT (Curtly Club Token) we gived a chanche to claim agains CCT: some Charm or some Kisses. If somebody don't claimed - we have Kisses enough Smiley

We doing steps to the direction, we see good at this time, then we check the result, and then we searching new steps to our vision.

We choiced bitcointalk.org to publish the requirements, ideas, steps, planned steps for our community.
Whitepaper would be a tool for a group of developer, tester working with the method: waterfall, but we working agile.

You can get the first post, where the mostly ideas and targets showed through a mail of Oz - our PM.
I think more we don't need at this time, with a luck the thread remained clear, and readable - up to this post sure - no trolls disturbed it. Please use this possibility.
You can read the thread from the first post up to this - you will see, what we do, plan and promise... With an option to change the things, if it needs.



We actualised the resources we have - in the third post in this Thread. The second post in this thread is, for a while, reserved for the planned steps, and for the Architecture we planned for Dorothyum...

Abbreviations:

PO - Projekt Owner
PM - Projekt Manager
SM - Scrum Master
Scrum Team - please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_(software_development)


Team:

PO     - Arthur Pendragon (a well known Knight from the Tale!!!)
PM     - Oz (not on the bitcointalk, maybe in EmeraldCity known Smiley the Team also anonym actually)
Clown - ifinta (on Byteball verified asset issuer, the well known Custodian of the EMERALD, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=28645)
SM     - Merlin (the greatest wizard all of time - we need it. As community manager, and for the market also. Maybe to develop our programmers and testers - they needs the knowledge of Merlin sometimes - really...)

About our developments:

git repository: https://github.com/ifinta/vortexledger
to ask, diskuss things - we would like to use Telegram. I created a group "vortexledger", and we have a channel t.me/vortexledger also...

The list of the published second posts in this thread:

02.06.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg39190876#msg39190876 About our distributed "centralbank" and about a conventional centralbank
03.08.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg43369328#msg43369328 About 'Standard Sizes' for the use of 'Exchange Bot'
04.11.2018 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4392525.msg47566346#msg47566346 About the Architecture of Dorothyum




An interview with Mark Nadal (dev of gun db - the offline first graph javascript db, we planning to use for Dorothyum, please see our second post in this thread)

https://youtu.be/0VeABkfCHqk



Somebody asked me about the ICO on the vortexledger. Yes, vortexledger will have a token, a token to show somebody's reliability on the ledger. The token can't be used on vortexledger to pay something, you can't direct transfer it, you will only able to earn it, or to lose it, through true reliability on the leger. It will be - equally distributed through the ICO. If somebody establish on the mainnet of vortexledger a new account, it will have 0 Reliability. Dorothyum planned to be a ledger independent dApp - it planned to be run on vortexledger (open ledger to support barter without general equivalent - without money) also. The tokens can be free moved between markets, but in case of vortexledger you can't exchange your Reliability back to Charm more, but you can exchange your Charm and Kisses to Reliability, with a needed conversion, up to it exisits no Charm and Kisses in other ledgers any more...



Arthur Pengragon decided to concentrate to the technical works in our project. We ended the phase - research. We will wait for a proper market environment to do the business well fort.
We would like to have well tested and working product, MANY active contributors and a BIG community, before we take any new step to do the 2nd ICO's on other ledgers for our Charm.
We targeted to distribute our Charm on the Byteball Ledger to many different people.

We will focused from this time to implement and test Dorothyum's Chat Bot on the Byteball Ledger.



It will be communicated from me, here, in this thread, if we have a version of the Dorothyum's Chat Bot, ready to use.

Up to the post about the first usable version:
any other new movement in business, other Asset offered for sale, ICO, ... maybe on other ledger's - is only a lie or scam!
As you wish.

We will be sometimes offline, maybe for weeks!!! Be patient.

Any new member, and step will be communicated before we doing it. Please see our first posts about planned steps, our members, resources we have, ...
The technical works will be published on github in ifinta's "vortexledger" repository. Be patient... We targeted a high quality product.

To have contributors and community we decided to do some steps in the marketing:
  - It is planned to do an airdrop to the creditors of MtGox - we will contact the rehabilitation trustee in Japan.
  - It is planned to do an airdrop to the owners of Horizon - the best and "well distributed" fork of NXT. It will be done for the owners of Horizon at the date as Horizon was delisted on Poloniex.
  - It is planned to do an airdrop to the NXT community in two airdrops
      - we would like to honor to have NXT coins. We planning to contact a core dev to distribute our Charm, the date will be published later...,
      - and we would like to honor the Karma they have on nxtforum.org at the same time.
  - We decided to give bounties to contributors with loyalty agains high quality work in our project (translations, blogs, d.tube videos, ...). Details coming later. If you have something, post it here, contact us.
    (If we or the community are happy - the contributor will be happy also - we hope...)

Merlin found, because the ethereum token, mywish.io on the google. I, the Clown, showed it him. He said: "I don't known google before, but it seems a little better, as the other magical tools I ever had...".



Arthur Pengragon decided to lift the price on the next ICO's, because some lost, and investitions from our side.
Remember, the prices on the ethereum ledger will costs more - as we discussed earlier.
Please see the new offers on the Exchange Bot:



Don't forget to study our hints about "Standard Sizes" in a post in this thread.



I added a sell order to book - at the half price... I, the Clown, needs sometime bread also...



About "Standard Size" can you read here...



Arthur Pendragon decided to pay the salary for my first 20 days, as Clown in this project.
He said - "You, good Clown, should be able to give your children bread also".
The salary is about ~1800 USD at this prices pro month Smiley in Charm. I am very happy. I can't got such salary up to now, here, in my country.
I know - I was only an engineer in hungary, and not a Clown in the Kingdom of Arthur Pendragon...



I just asked Arthur Pendragon about my current salary. Arthur was a little nervouos. He said, I don't working. The project don't developing as he wishes...
I said - I am just only a Clown in the Project already. And I do it - I talk, chat, communicate with everyone... I travelled also. Many places in the world.
For fun - of course, but everything was done from my side for the development our project. I should be a happy Clown. Not more. He should ask Oz, and Merlin. Maybe they did something.

After some hours Arthur Pendragon come back, and was very sad. Arthur Pendragon said - nothing happened... Merlin said, that he should concentrate to develop a new wizard. We should don't disturb he...
Oz wasn't reachable in Emerald City, and then he asked Tattypoo, but she knowd about Oz also nothing. Maybe succeded to cross the desert... She thinks - maybe we see Oz newer more then.
It was the dream of Oz, to cross the big dessert around.

Here is the picture about Tattypoo - as she talked just with Arthur Pendragon.


I was then very sad. I can't give my chlidren bread. I told it to Arthur Pendragon, and we trinked a little beer. After some hours was Arthur Pendragon more happy as before.
He laughed, laughed, and before he slipped under the table, with his last power sent me the Salary. I waited for the confirmation, and I was then very happy. A good Clown become the right esteem, if the
project halted - not as a PO or PM or Engineer, Tester - they will be fired at such situation. It was for me the right decision then to got this position.

I know - we forgotting the campagne also. But it was well payed. It can't be a problem then more.

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Hey can someone tell me, what is it? I did find a web site or do I need it to understand the question of this project, there is no community in it, it makes me unsure.

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Hey can someone tell me, what is it? I did find a web site or do I need it to understand the question of this project, there is no community in it, it makes me unsure.

Ahhhh. Exists people in bitcointalk.org - what a surprise - after some months...



Hey can someone tell me, what is it? I did find a web site or do I need it to understand the question of this project, there is no community in it, it makes me unsure.

Just ask - if you don't understand something. I am back tomorrow morning. I sleep well tonight. Today I got some reaction. A surprise. Really......

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Hey can someone tell me, what is it? I did find a web site or do I need it to understand the question of this project, there is no community in it, it makes me unsure.

Everything looks like one big joke. Something I can not believe that someone will seriously take this thread on the forum. Without white paper and a roadmap, projects do not work.



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December 08, 2018, 08:19:32 AM
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Hey can someone tell me, what is it? I did find a web site or do I need it to understand the question of this project, there is no community in it, it makes me unsure.

Everything looks like one big joke. Something I can not believe that someone will seriously take this thread on the forum. Without white paper and a roadmap, projects do not work.

Maybe later only with a working bot?  Hmmmmm? Huh It isn't a possibility? Everything needs buzzwords? To cook an egg also?



I decided to be a pensioner. Of course in 'No' Republica. In 'No' Republica is the age when a man will be pensioner 50 years... I am already more.
I asked Arthur Pendragon, and he gived me the right to get my whole pension salary - up to my death... It was given in Charm, and I got it already. I am happy Smiley
(Merlin told us, as we asked him. It needed some time, but I know. It is good. "Around 82 years...". He said me, he asked google. A very well wizard tool. He searched: "ifinta death" and then coming 82......)
((I think 82 pages was found, but ... It is better as the statistics in Hungary - I told nothing......))

About the whole calculation please see the post here - in hungarian:



And the link to the "'NXT' Nuclear Regulatory Comission - ahogy mi magyarul beszélők látjuk..." - Hungarian Facebook Group... About Nuclear Hazards around Hungary.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/251738521921145/


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