Roger Ver Apology Video - Give Him Some Credit Please

[JollyGood]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8uNkcvtRtA

You  have to admit that it was actually a big step for Ver to come forward and apologise for his conduct during the infamous "Rage Video". We all know he did not have to do it but it was a step in the right direction. Personally I think it falls short because there is less apologising and more blaming the other party going on but nevertheless he stated why aspects of that interview got to him and he lost his temper.

Now when it comes to Ver and what people perceive as his failed attempt to take over Bitcoin and his current attempt to disrupt Bitcoin by trying to conflate it with Bitcoin Cash, I am with the majority in that what he has done and what he is doing is wrong but when someone tries to make some amends it should be appreciated and accepted by the community. Sure, his apology was all about his conduct during the Rage Interview and not about him creating confusion with his bitcoin.com domain but that might be a start, an avenue to a new beginning which might result in Ver being welcomed back to the community with open arms as long as he changes slowly but surely towards helping Bitcoin while still keeping and promoting his Bitcoin Cash.

Though Bitcoin is king and will remain for many years to come the truth is Bitcoin would be a little stronger having Ver advocating it and promoting it. Bitcoin will go on and move forward regardless of whether Ver is on its side or not but having someone with his profile and history (the positive parts) to promote Bitcoin will only be a good move. This morning I spent an hour or so looking at his posts from when as a newbie here. There was no indication at that time that he would be so disliked in the community because he was so helpful promoting Bitcoin with billboards and radio ads that he paid for, surely that counts for something.

Something obviously went wrong in the thinking and psyche of Ver which was the reason why he began to have a dislike of Bitcoin. If there is any way to get Ver back on side then it will be a win-win situation all round.

Does anybody know the actual specific grievances Ver has with the Bitcoin developers apart from fees, transaction times and block size?

[mk4]

As much as I dislike BCH and disregarding everything else in the debate, John Carvalho was kinda childish in my opinion. Saying "Bcash bcash bcash" in a mocking manner is a quite childish move when having a debate, whether or not he is right or not.

[LeGaulois]

Putting down Bitcoin publicly is for only 1 reason for him: his own interest, for money. His attempt to disrupt Bitcoin is also followed by the majority of the BCH community following the same path and using the same method. Will we see all of the BCH trolls apologies in public as well? No. He did it for a very long time now and he doesn't deserve some sympathy for this video

Bitcoin doesn't need Roger Ver to advocate anymore. We are fine without him

[coincruncher1982]

Putting down Bitcoin publicly is for only 1 reason for him: his own interest, for money. His attempt to disrupt Bitcoin is also followed by the majority of the BCH community following the same path and using the same method. Will we see all of the BCH trolls apologies in public as well? No. He did it for a very long time now and he doesn't deserve some sympathy for this video

Bitcoin doesn't need Roger Ver to advocate anymore. We are fine without him

Agreed. This guy in the rage video is a huge douche.

[ETHtotheMOON1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8uNkcvtRtA

You  have to admit that it was actually a big step for Ver to come forward and apologise for his conduct during the infamous "Rage Video". We all know he did not have to do it but it was a step in the right direction. Personally I think it falls short because there is less apologising and more blaming the other party going on but nevertheless he stated why aspects of that interview got to him and he lost his temper.

Now when it comes to Ver and what people perceive as his failed attempt to take over Bitcoin and his current attempt to disrupt Bitcoin by trying to conflate it with Bitcoin Cash, I am with the majority in that what he has done and what he is doing is wrong but when someone tries to make some amends it should be appreciated and accepted by the community. Sure, his apology was all about his conduct during the Rage Interview and not about him creating confusion with his bitcoin.com domain but that might be a start, an avenue to a new beginning which might result in Ver being welcomed back to the community with open arms as long as he changes slowly but surely towards helping Bitcoin while still keeping and promoting his Bitcoin Cash.

Though Bitcoin is king and will remain for many years to come the truth is Bitcoin would be a little stronger having Ver advocating it and promoting it. Bitcoin will go on and move forward regardless of whether Ver is on its side or not but having someone with his profile and history (the positive parts) to promote Bitcoin will only be a good move. This morning I spent an hour or so looking at his posts from when as a newbie here. There was no indication at that time that he would be so disliked in the community because he was so helpful promoting Bitcoin with billboards and radio ads that he paid for, surely that counts for something.

Something obviously went wrong in the thinking and psyche of Ver which was the reason why he began to have a dislike of Bitcoin. If there is any way to get Ver back on side then it will be a win-win situation all round.

Does anybody know the actual specific grievances Ver has with the Bitcoin developers apart from fees, transaction times and block size?

it's nice he has apologized, but what is most disturbing is to see the person really cares about his ego and money more than anything other, he's no better than 99% of this community

[BitcoinNewbie15]

It's old video, but i think he don't truly apologize. He still attack Bitcoin in his "apologize" video.
Also, why should we (Bitcoin supporters) wasting our time and care about people who continuously attack Bitcoin.

Yeah there are some thinly veiled insults in there for sure. He shouldn't attack Bitcoin, that shouldn't come from a major BCH supporter. Bashing the competition never makes you or what you are supporting look good. Quite the contrary actually. If BCH is that great, then the free market will decide. It should be able to stand on its own merit, and it does.

Never bash the competition. Playfully is ok, jokingly sure, but the way he does it is unacceptable as a representative of BCH.

[JollyGood]

As much as I dislike BCH and disregarding everything else in the debate, John Carvalho was kinda childish in my opinion. Saying "Bcash bcash bcash" in a mocking manner is a quite childish move when having a debate, whether or not he is right or not.

Agreed, in the original video there was no excuse for what Ver did by behaving in a rude manner but that interviewer did provoke Ver.

[Marlo Stanfield]

The thing is that it's completely personal with him, and has been for years. Regardless of specific grievances with the Bitcoin devs apparently being 'fees, transaction times and block size' even if things were 100% perfect he'd still be against them at this point. Even now things are pretty great right now and the scaling is going well. But Roger is more interested in his own personal power, ego, and wealth. After watching him devolve into what he's become over the last few years it would take a complete 180 and him admitting he's been completely full of it for me to even consider giving him some credit.

[hodlftw]

This is hardly worry of any praise because he is only apologizing to get his credibility back. Also where is the apology for trying to make people think Bitcoin Cash is Bitcoin? Yeah thats what I thought, and I'll wait for the real video that means something. This guy is deceptive, and I don't think he will ever stop being that. For me, this apology means nothing and is a PR move.

[JollyGood]

Putting down Bitcoin publicly is for only 1 reason for him: his own interest, for money. His attempt to disrupt Bitcoin is also followed by the majority of the BCH community following the same path and using the same method. Will we see all of the BCH trolls apologies in public as well? No. He did it for a very long time now and he doesn't deserve some sympathy for this video

Bitcoin doesn't need Roger Ver to advocate anymore. We are fine without him

True bitcoin does not need Roger Ver but if he backs down from what many seem to be his petty behaviour do you think he should be welcomed back with open arms? Everybody deserves a second chance right?

[Marlo Stanfield]

Putting down Bitcoin publicly is for only 1 reason for him: his own interest, for money. His attempt to disrupt Bitcoin is also followed by the majority of the BCH community following the same path and using the same method. Will we see all of the BCH trolls apologies in public as well? No. He did it for a very long time now and he doesn't deserve some sympathy for this video

Bitcoin doesn't need Roger Ver to advocate anymore. We are fine without him

True bitcoin does not need Roger Ver but if he backs down from what many seem to be his petty behaviour do you think he should be welcomed back with open arms? Everybody deserves a second chance right?

He's literally been attacking Bitcoin for years now. In the future economics students will probably open their textbook to see a picture of his face where they define 'bad actor'. If he gets a second chance then there's zero incentive to be a good actor. One of the biggest issues with the Bitcoin economy is lack of a strong push back against bad actors. People seem to be free to abuse their positions without economic consequence. And that's not a good situation.

[iram3130]

Though its an old video and we had many discussions on this in the past, I dont think he apologized, instead he just backed BitcoinCash more. The lobby between the rivals is fierce and I have seen lots of people jumping with no good intention from Bitcoin to BitcoinCash.

[LeGaulois]

Putting down Bitcoin publicly is for only 1 reason for him: his own interest, for money. His attempt to disrupt Bitcoin is also followed by the majority of the BCH community following the same path and using the same method. Will we see all of the BCH trolls apologies in public as well? No. He did it for a very long time now and he doesn't deserve some sympathy for this video

Bitcoin doesn't need Roger Ver to advocate anymore. We are fine without him

True bitcoin does not need Roger Ver but if he backs down from what many seem to be his petty behaviour do you think he should be welcomed back with open arms? Everybody deserves a second chance right?

No, he owns bitcoin.com and still uses it for his propaganda. He can make a video to apology but if he is still doing his craps on his website then his video is useless. He needs to make more than a video to be accepted again from  the BTC community.
To be honest, knowing how this guy is and what he is able to do, I wouldn't be surprised if the video is for a "guet-apens"

[JollyGood]

it's nice he has apologized, but what is most disturbing is to see the person really cares about his ego and money more than anything other, he's no better than 99% of this community

I guess you are right, he has (partially) apologised after all. Hopefully one day Ver will realise his ego is getting in the way of him doing the right thing with Bitcoin.

[franky1]

seems the OP jolly good had recently been pushing a propaganda mission script that is 7 months out dated.
.. the power of reddit screams seems huge to make people like jolly good push so hard a subject thats 7 months old known as the rage quit propaganda

funnily then jolly good himself has now backtracked after realising that the ragequit drama was over back then in november. and jolly only realised this today after no longer reading the reddit scripts. and instead realised it was old.

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anyways, the agenda of these propaganda is that ver is actually part of the same group as blockstream/bloq/coindesk/theymos/core centralists
whereby funding can be clearly seen coming from DCG.co


what i am about to say is about
what does your own mindset truly want bitcoin to be
what does your own mindset truly think it currently is

this is not about cash vs core.

those that say they are "bitcoin" supporters. what do you define as bitcoin.
yes the blockchain data is distributed. and yes private control of funds using private keys is distributed.

but the RULES/PROTOCOL of the network. where does your mindset sit.

if you were a true bitcoin decentralist. then great you wont mind anyone attacking certain devs/promoters of any group because no one should own the brand

for instance i personally have nothing against people attacking ver/bloq for that old drama.
but then theymos/core has done the same thing,  they too deserve the same attacks too

if you are a core control fan, thinking core are the best team to decide and maintain the code direction of the network. then your just as hypocritical as ver.
for wanting a team to control and own a protocol and brand

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before replying. its best you seek deep inside yourselves. where do you truly stand
so to know for yourself if you care more about a decentralsied network as it was mainly in 2009-2013. or if you are a bitcoin core supporter. ask yourself these questions and evaluate your own mindset

1. do you believe core are the best team to moderate, maintain and decide on the future features
2a. if core devs decided tonight to rage quit/stop coding. and tomorrow there was a network bug based on core code. do you have a backup plan
2b. or just hope/trust core wont quit.
3. would you be happier if core never again be part of orchestrating with their partners a mandatory bilateral split, to bypass consensus
4. would you be happier if core did continue to do mandatory splits to bypass consensus for their features to be added to their chain
5. do you care about the control of the code. or just want a team to maintain it centrally to give it trust and ultimately push the price

guage your own answers to reveal to yourself if you are a decentralised network fan. or a core centralist fan.

[JollyGood]

Awwww here comes franky1 with his ever so long posts promoting Bitcoin Cash and Ver.... I along with many others just scroll past most of what he writes  

Keeping that aside this thread has been started to ask about whether Ver should be welcomed back in to the community IF he stops his perceived war on Bitcoin.

[franky1]

Awwww here comes franky1 with his ever so long posts promoting Bitcoin Cash and Ver.... I along with many others just scroll past most of what he writes  

Keeping that aside this thread has been started to ask about whether Ver should be welcomed back in to the community IF he stops his perceived war on Bitcoin.

again this is not about cash vs core.

i have never defended ver. i have detested core.
learn the difference.(its about centralisation vs decentralisation)

i know you cant elequantly admit your games. or admit the propaganda agenda. but if all you can do is think if someone detests core they must be pidgeon holed into another team. is your failure of understanding decentralisation. by you thinking its only a 2 team game

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define bitcoin in YOUR own mindset. (not using the scripted definition of 2009-2013) define it as you see it now. that way we can see are you really a bitcoin decentralist or a core centralist

try not to be a reddit script reader. as today it seems you have learned the hard way you have been pushing a script thats 7 months out of date
and ask yourself what you truly are defending. because you seem like a core centralist defender not a bitcoin decentralist.

dont turn my questions into a cash vs core. to avoid the subject
which are you
bitcoin decentralist (hoping the core team backdown a little and let others use consensus on the network)
core centralist (hoping core partners continue mandatory forced changes/social dramas)

reasons i ask.
who has the power to push out-let in anyone?
which can only be answered by knowing what people think that "bitcoin" is

[JollyGood]

define bitcoin in YOUR own mindset. (not using the scripted definition of 2009-2013) define it as you see it now. that way we can see are you really a bitcoin decentralist or a core centralist

plus i have never defended ver. i have detested core.
learn the difference.

try not to be a reddit script reader. as today it seems you have learned the hard way you have been pushing a script thats 7 months out of date

and ask yourself what you truly are defending. because you seem like a core defender not a bitcoin decentralist

franky1 this thread is not about the virtues of Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash, this thread is about Ver apologising for his outburst and whether he should one day be welcomed back in to this community of ours

[fravia]

First of all the video is already like a half year old, so congrats on finding an old fossil out there. Besides that, he is pretty much the face of bcash and the fact that he apologise doesn't mean much because the mistake was already made and when you are so deep in promoting something and mess up like that there has to be consequences. Just shows that all bcash shillers are a joke

[audaciousbeing]

The grouse and hostility against Roger Ver is not really about the debate as that was a smoke but the fire itself was because he changed sides, his loyalty shifted, and maybe he said too much for him to think there is need to apologise, which does not change peoples opinion about him as a sell out who is ruled by his quest for selfish wealth and more reason why I think his apology is not needed rather he should do the needful and hands off any relationship with bitcoin (including the attacks) while he continues to promote rigorously and religiously his new found love.