FREE CHARLIE SHREM (and all political prisoners)

[mikegogulski]

I, for one, support Charlie Shrem...

EVEN IF HE IS INNOCENT.

[Honeypot]

Fuck him.

[Foxpup]

I thought Charlie Shrem is free (for now), as he made bail. He won't be jailed unless he's proven guilty (which, if the State actually has the evidence they claim to have, seems pretty likely).

How is he a political prisoner?

[BTCisthefuture]

I, for one, support Charlie Shrem...

EVEN IF HE IS INNOCENT.

I would hope you support him if he's innocent  


It's a stretch to call him a political prisoner though. He wasn't out doing political activism and suppressed and arrested as a result.

While I agree the war on drugs is a sick joke and it's really fucked up when the head of a bank can get caught laundering money for cartels and only pay a fine while another guy is facing a long prison sentence potentially.

With that said, he's a smart adult and if the emails he exchanged are accurate then he was fully aware of what he was doing and as a compliance officer he knows the risks full well.  I may not like speeding laws but if I go over the speed limit everyday I'm not going to complain too much if given a ticket because I knew the risks and took the gamble.  I would instead work with lobbyists/politicans to get speeding laws changed instead, that's far a more productive means to a problem.

Who knows if Shrem was a guy doing this for moral views or just to get rich quick,  I haven't heard anything suggesting he was doing this for some moral or political reason,  just as a means to get rich quickly.  Best of luck to him though during his trial and I don't think anyone should suffer prison for non violent crimes. If guilty and he know he was breaking the law then I say fine him, maybe some prohibation, and move on...no need to put him jail, that doesn't help anyone in society.

[bbit]

I, for one, support Charlie Shrem...

EVEN IF HE IS INNOCENT.

He should be getting prepared for Bubba. His new Bitcoin buddy will be wanting a piece of a$$ soon.

[Prolifik]

Free him, free dread pirate roberts, free everyone. yay anarchy!

[dissident]

The gestapo that runs things seems hell bent on over-regulating drugs, alcohol, and tobacco forever.  Carding people at casinos that look like they might be under 35, it's ridiculous. With that said, I take a "when in rome" mentality and generally obey the laws of where I live within the confines of common sense. He took the risk he'd get caught for huge money, more than a typical person sees in a lifetime, and he got caught. Sucks to be him.  If he was smart he hid a bunch of money on paper wallets buried in some remote area in such a way that it could not be tracked on the blockchain and did not keep all his eggs in one basket. If not, he's not as smart as he appears.

[tvbcof]

Frankly it doesn't sound to me like what he did was very bad.  Unless the documents so far released are heavily watered down it doesn't look like he was 1/10 the bad-boy kingpin type that he wished to be.  And the feds seemed to almost feel compelled to apologize for their actions.  My guess is that he was picked up mostly to squeeze him a bit to get at the real players and I'll be very surprised if he does any time.  Even if he doesn't fully cooperate.  But I suspect he will.

[seriouscoin]

Laundering drug money in the USA using a currency that has every transaction recorded in a ledger held by 100,000 plus people is not exactly smart.

Oh please.... you must think everyone is dumb huh? usually thats when you're the dumb one.

Transactions on blockchain can only say so much..... and hardly prove the crime they charged him.

If it wasnt for those private communications , they wouldnt have enough evidence to charge him. The sole reason hes under arrest is because they got evidence to show his fully awareness of the activity.

[seriouscoin]

Laundering drug money in the USA using a currency that has every transaction recorded in a ledger held by 100,000 plus people is not exactly smart.

Oh please.... you must think everyone is dumb huh? usually thats when you're the dumb one.

Transactions on blockchain can only say so much..... and hardly prove the crime they charged him.

If it wasnt for those private communications , they wouldnt have enough evidence to charge him. The sole reason hes under arrest is because they got evidence to show his fully awareness of the activity.

Umm? Yeah.

block chain plus e-mails showing context pretty much nails down his fate.

You're completely ignoring what i said huh?

Read what you posted pls.

If they cant prove his intention/awareness, block chain transactions mean nothing! I bet ppl have done money laundering with bitcoins but no evidence, no charges!

Simple case in point, "someone" can open mining company selling "shares". The business is fully compliant to all rules/laws. He is his own customers..... turning his btc to "legit" btc.

Ppl have done it with cash for million years now. Tell me what blockchain can do to prove the crime above.

Btw, i believe that you were that "someone" at some point. When i saw tons of mining companies pooping up, i knew exactly whats going. You're not that smart now are you?

[seriouscoin]

Laundering drug money in the USA using a currency that has every transaction recorded in a ledger held by 100,000 plus people is not exactly smart.

Oh please.... you must think everyone is dumb huh? usually thats when you're the dumb one.

Transactions on blockchain can only say so much..... and hardly prove the crime they charged him.

If it wasnt for those private communications , they wouldnt have enough evidence to charge him. The sole reason hes under arrest is because they got evidence to show his fully awareness of the activity.

Umm? Yeah.

block chain plus e-mails showing context pretty much nails down his fate.

You're completely ignoring what i said huh?

Read what you posted pls.

If they cant prove his intention/awareness, block chain transactions mean nothing! I bet ppl have done money laundering with bitcoins but no evidence, no charges!

Simple case in point, "someone" can open mining company selling "shares". The business is fully compliant to all rules/laws. He is his own customers..... turning his btc to "legit" btc.

Ppl have done it with cash for million years now. Tell me what blockchain can do to prove the crime above.

Btw, i believe that you were that "someone" at some point. When i saw tons of mining companies pooping up, i knew exactly whats going. You're not that smart now are you?

You miss the point. If he did it in cash and had the emails saying what he did then he would walk free.

You need more than just emails.

Anyway i doubt we disagree that he was a moron.

He IS a moron no doubt.

But it has nothing to do with bitcoin or cash or Tide.... if he operate an Tide detergent exchange, he would still be charged. Its the nature of the business. The moral of story is, you dont operate an exchange (fiat,btc, or manure) AND have emails saying you're laundering money!....

Heck, I would imagine he would be charged if he run a pizza shop.

[seriouscoin]

You need more than just an email to go to jail for 25 years in the usa. If it was physical cash he would have gone free as no transaction records.

Why do you keep repeating the same thing regarding cash?

If he operates a pizza shop, you think that email isnt good enough to charge him?

Think again.

[seriouscoin]

You need more than just an email to go to jail for 25 years in the usa. If it was physical cash he would have gone free as no transaction records.

Why do you keep repeating the same thing regarding cash?

If he operates a pizza shop, you think that email isnt good enough to charge him?

Think again.

If email is the only evidance then he wont be charged.

If some guy has 1000000 pizzas that is diffetent.

Sigh.... i gave up....

Btw you dont need to have 1000000 pizzas. You just need to have 100000 customers..... bought 1 pizza each. Got it?

Hint for you, most small businesses launder their cash thro their own business. IRS knows this, DoJ knows this.... all they need is an email admitting the act.

[seriouscoin]

You need more than just an email to go to jail for 25 years in the usa. If it was physical cash he would have gone free as no transaction records.

Why do you keep repeating the same thing regarding cash?

If he operates a pizza shop, you think that email isnt good enough to charge him?

Think again.

If email is the only evidance then he wont be charged.

If some guy has 1000000 pizzas that is diffetent.

Sigh.... i gave up....

Btw you dont need to have 1000000 pizzas. You just need to have 100000 customers..... bought 1 pizza each. Got it?

Hint for you, most small businesses launder their cash thro their own business. IRS knows this, DoJ knows this.... all they need is an email admitting the act.

You assume everyone is guilty. In the USA the courts can't do that.

Thats why you need an admission of guilt!.... goddamn it....

[seriouscoin]

If email is the only evidance then he wont be charged.

If some guy has 1000000 pizzas that is diffetent.

GOAT is correct.

If he had only been operating a bitcoin exchange, he would still be operating said bitcoin exchange.

But, the emails leave absolutely no doubt that not only was he laundering money, he was well aware of it and actually instructed the customer on how to do so. Charlie will be lucky if he gets to serve his several 20 year Federal Prison sentences concurrently instead of consecutively. AT the earliest, this guy will be mid 50's before he sees another free day.

I would still love to hear why doing what he was doing, was done in unencrypted and open network email?


~BCX~

Do you actually understand what Goat said? He said the email isnt enough!

If you operate a money service business (cash.... not bitcoin ... fits what Goat said), do you think such email isnt enough to charge you? because..... Goat said no records!!! ?

for real, i want what hes smoking.

[seriouscoin]

You need more than just an email to go to jail for 25 years in the usa. If it was physical cash he would have gone free as no transaction records.

Why do you keep repeating the same thing regarding cash?

If he operates a pizza shop, you think that email isnt good enough to charge him?

Think again.

If email is the only evidance then he wont be charged.

If some guy has 1000000 pizzas that is diffetent.

Sigh.... i gave up....

Btw you dont need to have 1000000 pizzas. You just need to have 100000 customers..... bought 1 pizza each. Got it?

Hint for you, most small businesses launder their cash thro their own business. IRS knows this, DoJ knows this.... all they need is an email admitting the act.

You assume everyone is guilty. In the USA the courts can't do that.

Thats why you need an admission of guilt!.... goddamn it....

The e-mail was not a confession and even so, not good enough... I think you are just trolling. Saying what a person can do, is not the same as letting some one do it.

I know you might not get it but if there was not real evidence that a crime happened there would be no charge.

I'm not going to reply to you anymore on this subject as if you do not understand how this works by now, you wont ever.

So you're saying you do? You've fight it in court? Wow.... my man.... I think you should get back to being a bitcoin millionaire....