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January 30, 2014, 09:50:16 PM
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Three quick points.
1. Having alts under the official banner of bitcointalk.org adds to the appearance of support/trust/endorsement of bitcoin.  This does add some burden on the mods/admins to have due diligence to protect new comers to the btc scene from their own greed and others scams. Perhaps it is time to yell at the children to 'Get off my lawn!'.

2. I have personally enjoyed the alt scene in the last year. Alts allow folks to get knee deep in the processes that make bitcoin work. This is a learning ground for trying out settings, new ideas that could not be done to the bitcoin network without affecting the network. We have learned what may happen to bitcoin when block subsidy is removed ( zet, ifc, etc).  We have learned how to recover from massive forks. We know what to do with Proof of stake and when it gets out of control how it adds to blockchain and network bloat( cent).  All of these things help Bitcoin in the long run. It allows new devs to take the reigns when Gavin and the others get tired of dealing with the code. This training ground is important to keeping bitcoin from becoming the beast it is destroying with the entrenched dogmas that have pulled the cover over wage slaves lives.

3. Alts that are legit, have merit and a strong following will move on and develop their own community. ( Ripple, Nxt, Emunie, ltc, peercoin etc)  The scamcoins have and will die and serial coindev's will have to be nurtured/lectured until they realize the gain is not worth the damage to themselves and the community.

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January 30, 2014, 10:35:40 PM
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You can see the "spirit" of Bitcoin users in threads like this... It makes me sick.

 It was easier for mod/admin to delete and ban all giveaways, then to open a subforum for giveaways and drive more users to forum. Really intelligent move! Good work!

 People WAKE UP. They don't care about anything but Bitcoin.
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 They don't care about the Decentralized Crypto Revolution either.
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 They only care about making a huge score with bitshit.
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 They will do everything in their power to assure Alt. coins are relentlessly diluted, bashed, trashed endlessly, and hamstrung. Right here at bitcointalk.org!!!

 Their acting every bit as terribly as Banksters.

 bitcointalk.org has full Control, total Control, and Power, over  the Alternate cryptocurrencies sub-forum here. And just like those banksters they do it with deceit and cunning actions from the shadows. All they while acting like their doing us all some kind of giant favor. Bullshit. Quite the opposite.

 Why do you think so many clones suddenly appeared out of the blue since last Spring? It sure wasn't us late bloomers whom also finally strolled in last spring to bitcointalk. Nope, it's hard core developers doing what Banksters do; ie Pump & Dump. And there by diluting the pool of alt. currencies into hundreds, and soon thousands of types of Alt. Currencies.

 These same one's even captured and turned the lame-coin founder too. (Litecoin), and got him busy at Coinbase. But we are certain to see no Litecoin traded there either. Just like Mt. Gox. Same story everywhere. Bitcoin freezes out everyone else. And who can really blame them for that. And other stuff. But some of this is absolutely outrageous. And way over the top.

 Now maybe the founder of Litecoin has very good intentions. All I know is that the enemy of Litecoin captured him. And now litecoin, well, the best it has going for it is their https SSL .org site. After all if these are supposed to be secure it's way past time to get them ALL that way. And except for that lamecoin is dead in the water, with nothing happening. And it's the exact same for almost every Alt. Coin.

 In fact I can count only about 6 Alt. coins that truly have their act together. And maybe another 6 that are barely treading water. The rest are dead in the deep end of a cold ocean. With bitcointalk.org in full command and control.

 Funniest of all two of those that have their acts fully together came from out of the blue, and one isn't even on many's radar screens yet.


Back on topic:

 They obstruct, they restrict, they inject FUD, they segregate into the slum called  Alternate cryptocurrencies section which is still a total wreak of disorganization. And it's on purpose people. And they don't want anyone leaving. Not at all. They absolutely want us here, to keep all their competition under their control and command.

 Sure they keep bitch slapping too. But watch them now fast back off. And maybe even let this post stand too. Doesn't matter. It will be posted elsewhere too.

 WAKE UP PEOPLE.

 The worst thing for Alt. Currencies is to allow them to Control and Dominate us here.

 This is terrible for both bitshit and Alt. Currencies.

 And no, I really don't think of bitcoin as bitshit, except at these times. Then I absolutely do, while currently holding a nice stash of them myself I should add since I am not one to deceive anyone!

 I could go on and on and on, but if one just sits back and thinks about it things will quickly fit together. All the way down to the endless FUD, the half truths, the lies, the spin, and the hypocrisy of this untenable situation. Not to mention them 'doing us all a favor here. NOT.

 rip.......

 Yea, well somehow, once again, my Ice Dragon (Firefox based browser) just got reloaded. But not by myself. And there went the rest of this post. I can only wonder how they pull that crap off, and this makes at least a dozen times in the last several months. All with Noscript fully disabling all scripting it still occurs. Forgetaboutthisplacepeople.

 REVOLT PEOPLE.

 Getoutahere!

 Do yourselves and the entire Decentralized Crypto-Currency Revolution a huge favor.


 Otherwise you all might as well surrender to bitshit. I had to sell a ton of Alt. Currencies over the last few months because of this crap. Finally the last pieces of why I had to do just that all fell into order. And I spelled it all out right here and now. So even the most innocent types can see the clear daylight of this untenable situation at hand.

 O boy, they gave in and put up three whole subsections. Hurray. It's still a giant mess, and on purpose. Get real. Get the fuck out of here people. I never use the F word, and I am offended anytime I see it in a title to any thread. That's simply not acceptable. Except here at bitshit central. It's an endless list of no class bs.


 Bitshit, bitshit, bitshit, bitshit...

And I only call it that in the face of ten's of thousands of insults directed from them to Alt. currencies in general.

 They merely have a Model T, with limited range and functions.

 All that they do have is a huge head-start.

 And it wont be 'slow and steady' winning this Crypto-Race, much to the amazement of more than one clueless fool I reviewed recently, both here and elsewhere.

 There was much more, but I am tired of this nonsense. And I wont keep adding on to yet another soon to be whacked post by these filthy jerks here, all while I am still typing this out. Yea, it's not the first time. And yea, they know who has a clue.


 Remember People: They don't care about you. They don't care about alt-currencies. They don't care about Decentralization, nor the Crypto Revolution. All they care about at this point is seemingly themselves.

 Who exactly is who? I don't care. I wont go on any hunts. This dog doesn't care. He has already left the building. And only came back after reading more disinformation, misinformation, and raw sewage.


 So in one day, here is where I will be from here out: Time to give this other forum a real shot in this Crypto-Revolution. https://cryptocointalk.com/ And yes, I can only imagine everyone is more than welcome, as long as they behave a bit better there. With the pun in bit fully intentional!

Adios.

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January 30, 2014, 10:44:05 PM
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http://cryptocointalk.org
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January 30, 2014, 10:48:58 PM
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Let them shut it down, Theymos is Bitcoin Rich enough that he doesn't need the extra hits.  I'd love to just move all the alt coin talk over to Cryptocoin Talk, the guy Jim who runs it is very accommodating.

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January 30, 2014, 10:51:36 PM
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May the best coin win...  SHA-256 and Scrypt in the long run will be supplanted by the next better algorithm anyways... this is just the tip of the iceberg... all these alts may not even be here in 24 months...

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January 30, 2014, 10:55:19 PM
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Three quick points.
1. Having alts under the official banner of bitcointalk.org adds to the appearance of support/trust/endorsement of bitcoin.  This does add some burden on the mods/admins to have due diligence to protect new comers to the btc scene from their own greed and others scams. Perhaps it is time to yell at the children to 'Get off my lawn!'.

2. I have personally enjoyed the alt scene in the last year. Alts allow folks to get knee deep in the processes that make bitcoin work. This is a learning ground for trying out settings, new ideas that could not be done to the bitcoin network without affecting the network. We have learned what may happen to bitcoin when block subsidy is removed ( zet, ifc, etc).  We have learned how to recover from massive forks. We know what to do with Proof of stake and when it gets out of control how it adds to blockchain and network bloat( cent).  All of these things help Bitcoin in the long run. It allows new devs to take the reigns when Gavin and the others get tired of dealing with the code. This training ground is important to keeping bitcoin from becoming the beast it is destroying with the entrenched dogmas that have pulled the cover over wage slaves lives.

3. Alts that are legit, have merit and a strong following will move on and develop their own community. ( Ripple, Nxt, Emunie, ltc, peercoin etc)  The scamcoins have and will die and serial coindev's will have to be nurtured/lectured until they realize the gain is not worth the damage to themselves and the community.


I thought this was a thoughtful post.  I'd just add that having altcoins on this forum also helps those coins and users because experienced hands here can call bullshit on bogus coins.  I think the crypto community is stronger if we hang together, I don't really understand the altcoin hate.

Following multiple forums is a pain and it is nice having bitcointalk as a nice umbrella forum.  However, it is theymos' forum so it's his rules.  I'm glad that some potential alternate forums are getting attention.
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January 30, 2014, 11:09:53 PM
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Alt coins are not needed - they deflate Bitcoin.

The main problem with decentralisation is the amount of knob rots creating idiotic coins and there is no one to stop/punish them for they're disregard of Bitcoin.  Angry
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January 31, 2014, 12:03:09 AM
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Let them shut it down, Theymos is Bitcoin Rich enough that he doesn't need the extra hits.  I'd love to just move all the alt coin talk over to Cryptocoin Talk, the guy Jim who runs it is very accommodating.

I agree on Cryptocointalk. It could use more traffic (as long as we keep the goof etiquette and atmosphere).
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January 31, 2014, 12:09:07 AM
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I am glad the alt coin section has not been closed. The variety and creativity is actually healthy. If the fiat currency was only u.s and no other currencies were allowed there would be no trading, nothing happening. We need these alternatives and it leads also to more technical innovation for the Future. I do suggest an alt currency giveaway section on it's own as it w :)ould drive traffic for that site but I would say peeps can only post there if they make at least  number of posts in other sections..Just my 2 bit.
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January 31, 2014, 12:11:10 AM
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I am glad the alt coin section has not been closed. The variety and creativity is actually healthy. If the fiat currency was only u.s and no other currencies were allowed there would be no trading, nothing happening. We need these alternatives and it leads also to more technical innovation for the Future. I do suggest an alt currency giveaway section on it's own as it w :)ould drive traffic for that site but I would say peeps can only post there if they make at least  number of posts in other sections..Just my 2 bit.

And the altcoins does incredibly much for the overall popularity of cryptos.
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January 31, 2014, 12:18:28 AM
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Alt coins are not needed - they deflate Bitcoin.

The main problem with decentralisation is the amount of knob rots creating idiotic coins and there is no one to stop/punish them for they're disregard of Bitcoin.  Angry
Is it possible that altcoins will define the next step for bitcoin? I think they already have. Look at the number of people that mine things like doge, or EAC. They are increasing the usage of bitcoin in the process. They are providing reach to bitcoin that would otherwise be impossible to people that can't afford ASICs.

If it were not for the altcoins, BTC might not have gotten overstock, tiger direct, etc.

I do think that these forums are ridiculous though. Dedicated moderation and the creation of some sub forums would help a lot.
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January 31, 2014, 12:52:56 AM
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Alt coins are not needed - they deflate Bitcoin.

The main problem with decentralisation is the amount of knob rots creating idiotic coins

Such arrogance...

Dogecoin has increased visibility for all cryptocurrencies by a huge amount. The great community around dogecoin serves as a great starting point for newbies who are too intimidated by the bitcoin community. Many dogecoin users then go on to own bitcoins as well. It's a mutually beneficial relationship.

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there is no one to stop/punish them for they're disregard of Bitcoin.  Angry

disregard of Bitcoin? Is this some stupid joke? No one owes bitcoin or its community anything. Stop acting like a fucking primadonna and maybe people will respect you. People disregard bitcoin because there's nothing to regard. The sense of entitlement and arrogance of bitcoin and litecoin owners is what turns people off in the first place.

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January 31, 2014, 12:59:37 AM
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Alt coins are not needed - they deflate Bitcoin.

The main problem with decentralisation is the amount of knob rots creating idiotic coins and there is no one to stop/punish them for they're disregard of Bitcoin.  Angry
Is it possible that altcoins will define the next step for bitcoin? I think they already have. Look at the number of people that mine things like doge, or EAC. They are increasing the usage of bitcoin in the process. They are providing reach to bitcoin that would otherwise be impossible to people that can't afford ASICs.

If it were not for the altcoins, BTC might not have gotten overstock, tiger direct, etc.

I do think that these forums are ridiculous though. Dedicated moderation and the creation of some sub forums would help a lot.

No disagreement here but would point out two additional things. When i cash out if my altcoin (assuming they are worth anything in the future) i will have to buy bitcoin to get cash. Or I may just keep bitcoin if it is standard currency by then. But i am not alone, it may turn out the huge wave higher in btc is liquidation of dumb altcoins as they collapse into their own shadow. Panics are like that and all altcoins are basically only fungible with bitcoin now. So it is in fact stabilizing demand albeit in a perverse fashion.

Second, nobody who is not really into bitcoins or altcoins knows this site exists or will ever come across it. So the idea that it is giving bitcoin a bad name, not really. Random weirdness like doge crawls into the mainstream but this is still a small universe and tittiecoin 2.0 will not be dinner table conversation anywhere outside of your geekdom here.  

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January 31, 2014, 02:32:35 AM
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disregard of Bitcoin? Is this some stupid joke? No one owes bitcoin or its community anything. Stop acting like a fucking primadonna and maybe people will respect you. People disregard bitcoin because there's nothing to regard. The sense of entitlement and arrogance of bitcoin and litecoin owners is what turns people off in the first place.

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yeah, bitcoin-fascism.
Lol. Probably an op to crash alts a bit and buy cheap before the big rally.
Stop the freakin talks already. Kill this section and let's go somewhere else. This bitcointalk is a honeypot anyways.  

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Anyone that supports bit-fascism/authoritarianism, meaning Bitcoin as the only dominant, official currency, can't be trusted as far as you can throw them.  Centralization of power created in that manner is no different than the system we already have now.  What happens if Bitcoin is the only currency and the govt takes it over?  They can appoint Ben Bernanke to lead it, force new fork updates to inflate the number to Dogecoin levels, redirect transaction fees to be sent straight to the IRS wallet, etc.

Bitcoin as the only currency has the potential to be a more Orwellian nightmare than the economic system we have now.  There has to be lots of competitors to have a free market, to prevent government from monopolizing it.

Beware of the current Bitcoin devs/Satoshi wannabes.  Their outward hostility to any coin besides Bitcoin truly shows they are either completely corrupt, or oblivious to the point I make in the paragraph above.  They cannot be trusted for this reason.

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January 31, 2014, 05:30:22 AM
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The recent changes have made the forums a lot easier to use. They're cleaner, more organised, and there's less crud.

So I don't see why the alt section should be shut down. I'd like to see it stay. It's a pain to have multiple forums open.

Sure there are quite a few crapcoins, but there's also a lot of fun coins. Dogecoin has become very popular and is introducing a lot of people to crypto currencies and Bitcoin. That wouldn't have happened without the alt section here being so popular.

Compare the attitudes of people in /r/bitcoin and /r/dogecoin. Night & day. Some of the light-heartedness and gentle kindness you see in /r/dogecoin isn't a bad thing. And you can see a good amount of that here as well. That's likely a crowd that's good to keep.

But while there might not be a huge amount of innovation, it's not like we're torturing puppies here in the alt forum.

Meh... Whoever's in charge can do whatever they like. But they'll end up driving a lot of people away. Those that hate alts simply don't have to read the alt forum. Is that so hard?

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January 31, 2014, 05:51:18 AM
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The Alternate cryptocurrencies section is the only one worth reading.  Take it away and what have you got left really?  Some people on this forum have heads so swollen now they cant even stick it their own posterior any more.
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The Alternate cryptocurrencies section is the only one worth reading.  Take it away and what have you got left really?  Some people on this forum have heads so swollen now they cant even stick it their own posterior any more.

A bunch of old bitcoin heads sipping tea and saying "yup"... LOL


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