You guys are all the same, like clones. The corporatists know how to indoctrinate:
Well, first of all, I'm still trying to figure out how someone can be anti-capitalist, but favor a world in which government is so weakened that businesses will inevitably become the sole power in society (as if they aren't most of the way there already).
Big business become big and powerfull to the point of abuse because of big government. Regulations protect big business and free them from competition allowing them to abuse their costumers. Social-democracy is nothing more than corporatism with nice words.
Second, you haven't told me how the things I advocate will only benefit the rich or make everyone poor. What do you base that on?
See above.
The history of socialist countries that were dirt poor before socialism and are still dirt poor afterwards? That hardly seems fair.
You are missing the new rich (and small) rich class that appeared, but that was not the point. It was for what I said above.
Or we could look at the situation of richer Western European countries with a lot of regulation and mildly socialist (social democracy) political climates. The workers there get several weeks of paid vacation a year along with health care for everyone. They may pay slightly more in taxes, but they also don't have to deal with a $600 a month health insurance bill and massive deductibles on top of it. CEO salaries are also much closer to worker salaries (on the order of 10-20x instead of our 500x). I look at this and I see more equality and an objectively far better situation for workers. What do you see?
That you should come to live here in Europe and check for yourself instead of believing the rosy distorted image that some people promote and you buy without even checking. Im too tired of correcting mistakes so just some points:
- The USA had consistenly higher wages than the European countries. As the USA has been abandoning a more free market system and has become more a social-democracy, the wages in the USA have become worse and the difference with Europe has reduced. Also the difference between rich and poor has increased.
- The nordic countries had the social-democrats in the government during the 80's and their economies suffered, went into crisis, etc... So they started voting the conservatives who liberalized the market, etc... and their economies improved. In fact, the european nordic countries are used as example of neo-liberal policies working.
- Health care is not government run in all Europe. In fact a lot of european countries have renounced to government health and now implement some sort of mandated private insurance system, for example Germany or severeal nordic countries. In contrast, countries like England, Spain or Greece still have government run health care systems.
Etc...
I also dont continue because you are totally indoctrinated and dont give a fuck so facts wont work on you.
You accuse me of only caring about how the ideas make me feel, yet I am the one who's been posting statistics and reasoned arguments in this thread and you're the one who's spent most of it calling me a meanie-bobeenie. Again I have to ask: what the fuck?
Yes, you are very selfish, because you dont give a fuck about the rest and study what is really good for society. You just jump into the first pseudo-philosophy that promises a lot and makes you feel good. Thats all you care about.
