wtf? i woke up and it says my bitcoin got sent to some one's address

[erik777]

its on my computer

Let me guess, you are running Windows.  

Never use Windows to store your wallets.

This is bullshit. Running windows, never had any wallets stolen. Stupid people will install malicious software no matter which os they use. From what I see most of bitcoin stealing stuff comes with altcoin clients/miners and other bitcoin related software, a different os will not protect you from any of those.

I never let the kids use Windows, although I virtually never use it except for work, where i use it over 90% of the time.  On Linux, they can't install things because I don't give them root.  And, if they managed to install anything, the program would be limited to their access.  on linux, the default user access only includes write to their home and tmp, and no one can read another user's access.  

Then you are a really shitty father. Your kids might want to play something called games, most of which require Windows. Sure you can use Wine, but how stable will be the games there? Also, most games like BF3/BF4 require Origin which is Windows only afaik.

Shockingly, they've been happy with the PS2, PSP and then the PS3. They are grown up now, so they'll have to buy their own PS4. 

Setting aside games, they could do everything on the PC they ever wanted to do.  They never missed Windows, and absolutely love the performance.  They were never deprived.  I build the fastest machines, which, unlike Windows, never get slower. 

When we went camping, fishing, hiking, skiing and boating, we didn't use computers, TVs or the PSP (unless stuck in the tent in rain all day).  That didn't keep them from being really excited about going and having a great time. 

The next big gaming platform is likely to be Linux/Android, btw.  Not just because of Steam, but I demo my tablet with a wireless PS3 controller and HDMI into the TV at 1080p while playing games designed for Tegra 3!  The huge stationary console is dead.  Your phone plus a controller will blow away the PS3/Xbox soon. 

You would of loved me as a father.  Plus, you would of been a lot kooler to people on boards if you were my son.  lol

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[franky1]

Am I the only one that finds the tx strange? https://blockchain.info/bg/tx/1be54013944faaf392f2c864ba347e69716dfaf7caceb17c0ab5aca0c80308a5

Apart from OP's input, there were several others. 32 coins stolen? Also, what is the wallet client used?

i think what is happening is that the thief is adding all private keys which hold funds to his wallet so that the totals combine. and then he sends all funds to his address.

it is hard to know when the thief stole the private keys as he could have stolen them weeks ago and just sat on the private keys until he seen a balance total worth stealing

[Prolifik]

I never let the kids use Windows

Harsh dude, windows is the most kid friendly os around.
They're really missing out.

[prezbo]

As someone who has used both nearly every day since the beginning for windows (3.1) and a long time for linux/unix (prolly near 2000), and spent a lot of time learning security, the security model is completely different, especially considering features like SE linux.  

I am not denying that linux is the "safer os", but since (imho) the majority of stolen wallets come with installing malicious bitcoin related software, that might be infected, it won't make much difference. It is not the tricky exploits that this software is using, people are knowingly installing and running it.

[erik777]

I never let the kids use Windows

Harsh dude, windows is the most kid friendly os around.
They're really missing out.

A gross misperception.  It wasn't until they were prolly 17 or so that their cousin told them it wasn't Windows.  and, the only downside he was able to point out to is that he couldn't hack it.  he liked to show off how easily he could hack windows, telling stories of how he got porn to pop up on all the computers in the class at the same time.  He had the nerve to ask me if he could download an illegal copy of windows and install it so he could hack it!  LOL

BTW, separately, when he was telling them how he did a FB phishing attack with a fake login, he told them I was the only one who didn't fall for it.  

Linux is at least as kid friendly.  You click on Firefox and it opens!  lol.  Facebook and Youtube look the same.  

I loved hearing the kids explain to other kids how it is "just like windows" and how you can do all the same things.  When people make false statements about Linux, I know they have little to no experience using it, because that's the only possible explanation.  Linux is super kid friendly.  It even has special versions for very young kids.  
 

[Prolifik]

Linux has always given me a headache. Windows has better software, better drivers if you know what you're doing it wont slow down.

I'm not saying linux is bad it's just too damn complicated for the average user. I'm well above your average user and I still find it complicated.
Also each new release of linux breaks something. The latest releases of linuxes I wasn't able to get mining working. Although a year ago it was simply plug and play. Or should I say plug and mine. I think that may have actually been cgminers fault, I may have installed the latest one that doesn't have Scrypt support.

Okay lets assume your kid want's to install a game on linux. They have to get you to install it and setup wine.
Kid wants to install a game on windows, download game, click the exe, install, play.

Only problem with windows is that it is where the viruses/malware/etc live.

[ZKRiNG]

WTF its happening now.

Today i put 2 factor to any of my accounts just for that. Right now all related with Bitcoin its getting troubles with the security.
Of course i still thinking use Windows its a serious mistake, but Linux not is the best option, its really easy find many security holes on many Linuxes and more if it have java of any kind. And Chrome its a massive holes browser and the people still using it.

I don't doubt the OP its good IT but all looks like have any hole in your system

[ZKRiNG]

Linux has always given me a headache. Windows has better software, better drivers if you know what you're doing it wont slow down.

I'm not saying linux is bad it's just too damn complicated for the average user. I'm well above your average user and I still find it complicated.
Also each new release of linux breaks something. The latest releases of linuxes I wasn't able to get mining working. Although a year ago it was simply plug and play. Or should I say plug and mine. I think that may have actually been cgminers fault, I may have installed the latest one that doesn't have Scrypt support.

Okay lets assume your kid want's to install a game on linux. They have to get you to install it and setup wine.
Kid wants to install a game on windows, download game, click the exe, install, play.

The only problem by me about Linux is. If something happens and all people die less 2 linux users, they use different distro. This is the problem of Linux.
The companies can offer good support on linux just for linux, its just a kernel.
Its nice have your own system. You choose your favorite philosophy, but the price of that philosophy usually its problems.

[erik777]

Linux has always given me a headache. Windows has better software, better drivers if you know what you're doing it wont slow down.

I'm not saying linux is bad it's just too damn complicated for the average user. I'm well above your average user and I still find it complicated.
Also each new release of linux breaks something. The latest releases of linuxes I wasn't able to get mining working. Although a year ago it was simply plug and play. Or should I say plug and mine. I think that may have actually been cgminers fault, I may have installed the latest one that doesn't have Scrypt support.

It's ironic that people use the kids argument, because they, like I said, learn rapidly on either OS, because they are wired to learn rapidly.  Thus, they are usually as productive on either, and can easily switch between them.  

What I've discovered, though, is that adults who have used Windows for a long time have a hard time using Linux for the first time.  I've concluded it's not because one is easier than the other, but simply because, like music and many other things, they've become set in their ways and don't adjust to change easily, or learn as rapidly as kids do.  Our brain connections begin to decrease around 18.  We very rarely change our music genre beyond age 25.  

As for mining, well, when I got into it the biggest problem I found was lack of good up-to-date documentation.  It's a fast changing thing.  Heck, I finally got it working with my GPUs on Fedora and Ubuntu, only to learn that ASICs were kicking butt.  SIGH.  

That said, if I were to get into it today, it would be with a raspberry pi and a version of linux setup just for mining on the raspberry pi with USB ASICs.  Here's a youtube to get your started.  

Don't put your wallet on mining PI.  

[Prolifik]

"We very rarely change our music genre beyond age 25"

Jesus, I better stop listening to gangsta rap.

[ZKRiNG]

Linux has always given me a headache. Windows has better software, better drivers if you know what you're doing it wont slow down.

I'm not saying linux is bad it's just too damn complicated for the average user. I'm well above your average user and I still find it complicated.
Also each new release of linux breaks something. The latest releases of linuxes I wasn't able to get mining working. Although a year ago it was simply plug and play. Or should I say plug and mine. I think that may have actually been cgminers fault, I may have installed the latest one that doesn't have Scrypt support.

It's ironic that people use the kids argument, because they, like I said, learn rapidly on either OS, because they are wired to learn rapidly.  Thus, they are usually as productive on either, and can easily switch between them.  

What I've discovered, though, is that adults who have used Windows for a long time have a hard time using Linux for the first time.  I've concluded it's not because one is easier than the other, but simply because, like music and many other things, they've become set in their ways and don't adjust to change easily, or learn as rapidly as kids do.  Our brain connections begin to decrease around 18.  We very rarely change our music genre beyond age 25.  

As for mining, well, when I got into it the biggest problem I found was lack of good up-to-date documentation.  It's a fast changing thing.  Heck, I finally got it working with my GPUs on Fedora and Ubuntu, only to learn that ASICs were kicking butt.  SIGH.  

That said, if I were to get into it today, it would be with a raspberry pi and a version of linux setup just for mining on the raspberry pi with USB ASICs.  Here's a youtube to get your started.  

Don't put your wallet on mining PI.  

I think the only difference between a child/teen its they have interest/passion/curiosity. Older people (+25-30)  just want turn on the computer, open web browser and join to facebook. They don't want any different than that. Facebook, maybe search any plane ticket or read some news in their usual newspaper. 

[keithers]

I havent searched around but is there a sticky anywhere on the forum which is like "wallet security for dummies" that teaches step by step on how to properly secure and create both online and offline wallets. A lot of people getting into bitcoin now are not tech professionals, and these hacking incidents are going to hinder mainstream adoption (which i am assuming most of us want).

I got some help directly from one of the trusted members here, but for newbies, creating a cold storage wallet can be seriously intimidating. Remember when you got your first bitcoin? How complex everything seemed?

[erik777]

I havent searched around but is there a sticky anywhere on the forum which is like "wallet security for dummies" that teaches step by step on how to properly secure and create both online and offline wallets. A lot of people getting into bitcoin now are not tech professionals, and these hacking incidents are going to hinder mainstream adoption (which i am assuming most of us want).

I got some help directly from one of the trusted members here, but for newbies, creating a cold storage wallet can be seriously intimidating. Remember when you got your first bitcoin? How complex everything seemed?

Hardware wallets will likely be the best thing for non-technical.  Third-party services, like Coinbase and blockchain.info are good options, too, particularly for under 1 BTC for things like TigerDirect purchases and ordering a pizza. 

There's a risk they could get robbed, but hopefully they've learned to use cold storage.  But, for 1 BTC or so, I wouldn't sweat using them.  For long-term storage, they do need to make cold storage easier.  Coinbase makes creating a paper wallet very easy, but I'm not sure I like using a third party to create a paper wallet.  Nevertheless, that's probably as easy as a paper wallet is going to ever get for a non-technical person. 
 

[Remember remember the 5th of November]

I never let the kids use Windows

Harsh dude, windows is the most kid friendly os around.
They're really missing out.

A gross misperception.  It wasn't until they were prolly 17 or so that their cousin told them it wasn't Windows.  and, the only downside he was able to point out to is that he couldn't hack it.  he liked to show off how easily he could hack windows, telling stories of how he got porn to pop up on all the computers in the class at the same time.  He had the nerve to ask me if he could download an illegal copy of windows and install it so he could hack it!  LOL

BTW, separately, when he was telling them how he did a FB phishing attack with a fake login, he told them I was the only one who didn't fall for it.  

Linux is at least as kid friendly.  You click on Firefox and it opens!  lol.  Facebook and Youtube look the same.  

I loved hearing the kids explain to other kids how it is "just like windows" and how you can do all the same things.  When people make false statements about Linux, I know they have little to no experience using it, because that's the only possible explanation.  Linux is super kid friendly.  It even has special versions for very young kids.  

Wait a minute, if your children are 18 or above, why would you stop them from using any OS? More So if they can buy their own gadgets. Linux is actually a kernel, but the rest of the OS is what is usually crappy. Bad UI layout, a ton of people set on making CLI for the rest of their lives, not enough love for the GUI.

The argument I love to use is, just like mining, if there is no money involved(and a job) people just don't do very good. I mean look at Windows's UI(Not W8's Metro thingy), we have Aero, bunch of cool stuff like that.

[erik777]

I never let the kids use Windows

Harsh dude, windows is the most kid friendly os around.
They're really missing out.

A gross misperception.  It wasn't until they were prolly 17 or so that their cousin told them it wasn't Windows.  and, the only downside he was able to point out to is that he couldn't hack it.  he liked to show off how easily he could hack windows, telling stories of how he got porn to pop up on all the computers in the class at the same time.  He had the nerve to ask me if he could download an illegal copy of windows and install it so he could hack it!  LOL

BTW, separately, when he was telling them how he did a FB phishing attack with a fake login, he told them I was the only one who didn't fall for it.  

Linux is at least as kid friendly.  You click on Firefox and it opens!  lol.  Facebook and Youtube look the same.  

I loved hearing the kids explain to other kids how it is "just like windows" and how you can do all the same things.  When people make false statements about Linux, I know they have little to no experience using it, because that's the only possible explanation.  Linux is super kid friendly.  It even has special versions for very young kids.  

Wait a minute, if your children are 18 or above, why would you stop them from using any OS? More So if they can buy their own gadgets. Linux is actually a kernel, but the rest of the OS is what is usually crappy. Bad UI layout, a ton of people set on making CLI for the rest of their lives, not enough love for the GUI.

The argument I love to use is, just like mining, if there is no money involved(and a job) people just don't do very good. I mean look at Windows's UI(Not W8's Metro thingy), we have Aero, bunch of cool stuff like that.

Who's stopping them.  They just only use Linux on my computers.  They can buy and use whatever they want.  But, if you knew them, you'd realize they don't have a preference.  They use the same apps on both. 

There is a lot of money behind Linux.  A TON.  IBM alone sinks over $1 billion a year on it.  There's RedHat.  Heck, Microsoft has become a top contributor to the kernel now.  Over 95% of the world's top 500 supercomputers run it.  It runs Android and Chrome OS.  It is in many of the hardware devices you use, like blu ray players, media players, etc,... 

As for Aero, Linux had that first.  People were shocked at all the kool things my windows could do in Linux, like wabble when you dragged them.  Then Aero came out -- which was understandably the first introduction to kool desktop graphics for Windows users. 

I use Windows over 90% of the time for work, running Win 7 VMs inside of Win 7 on i7s, and hosting eBusiness solutions on Win 2008 servers, in addition to AIX, in DCs.  I personally run all my servers on Centos, though. 

[nanobtc]

I won't join the OS flamewars, but to the OP, if you had a keylogger, they've got everything. They can VNC/RDP into your machine. They don't need to then break into Multibit they can just log in like you do  (or any client, or any website, or any email service). Move any btc to cold storage until you can verify your machine is clean. Right now, it certainly isn't.

[Kitz1984]

Did you click on any link that has javascript? 

[xunknownx]

no, so i have my wallet on 2 computers, my personal one and my work computer at work and im the only one that uses it.  i scanned my computer and its cleaned, except for false positives.  theres no way someone could have vnc into my computer.  the only thing i can think of is that i backed up my wallet onto my dropbox.  (not shared publicly)  dumb move, i know.  i already removed it from the dropbox.  created a new wallet from an ubuntu live cd with no internet connected and stored onto a thumb drive that will never be connected to the internet.  

all i know is something got compromised, but pretty sure its not my computer.  if a keylogger was installed on my computer, pretty sure alot more would have been stolen other than my btc.

btw, scammer alert.  i received a PM from this user "promithios".  really, im not that dumb.  already reported to forum admins.

hello there
my name is aihab and im a reserve counter cyber terrorism officer in the israelly army , ive read your thread about the lost bitcoins and since some of my qualifications include tracking people and electronic data - i would like to offer you my services in retrieving your and maybe others' coins.
i charge a flat 5 btc fee + 5% of what i manage to retrieve , the 5 btc expected upfront and i guarantee to issue a full refund if no retrieval was made within 14 days.
write me back if you are interested , and feel free to refer others to me.
regards.

[EchoingUprise]

no, so i have my wallet on 2 computers, my personal one and my work computer at work and im the only one that uses it.  i scanned my computer and its cleaned, except for false positives.  theres no way someone could have vnc into my computer.  the only thing i can think of is that i backed up my wallet onto my dropbox.  (not shared publicly)  dumb move, i know.  i already removed it from the dropbox.  created a new wallet from an ubuntu live cd with no internet connected and stored onto a thumb drive that will never be connected to the internet.  

all i know is something got compromised, but pretty sure its not my computer.  if a keylogger was installed on my computer, pretty sure alot more would have been stolen other than my btc.

btw, scammer alert.  i received a PM from this user "promithios".  really, im not that dumb.  already reported to forum admins.

hello there
my name is aihab and im a reserve counter cyber terrorism officer in the israelly army , ive read your thread about the lost bitcoins and since some of my qualifications include tracking people and electronic data - i would like to offer you my services in retrieving your and maybe others' coins.
i charge a flat 5 btc fee + 5% of what i manage to retrieve , the 5 btc expected upfront and i guarantee to issue a full refund if no retrieval was made within 14 days.
write me back if you are interested , and feel free to refer others to me.
regards.

My guess would be it was stolen from your dropbox. Not the first case I have heard of wallets being stolen from dropbox.

[xunknownx]

that would be my guess as well but if my wallet was not shared publicy, they would still need both my dropbox username and corresponding pw to obtain access to my wallet.