GGG vs Canelo II

[Baofeng]

Looks like the fight is finally happening:

Loeffler: Canelo-GGG II Will Be Much Bigger Due To Controversy

As previously reported on BoxingScene.com, Canelo Alvarez and Gennady Golovkin will square off in their highly-anticipated rematch in September in Las Vegas.

Golden Boy Promotions CEO Oscar De La Hoya first announced the tentative deal for a mid-September showdown at T-Mobile Arena after weeks of on-again and off-again bargaining by the two fighters' camps.

The two fighters had been due to fight each other in Las Vegas on May 5 before the middleweight bout was cancelled after Alvarez failed two drug tests.

https://www.boxingscene.com/loeffler-canelo-ggg-ii-much-bigger-due-controversy--129105

I also believed that it will be bigger than the first fight because of so much drama involved. Canelo testing positive and then GGG trash talking and then their is the issue of who should get the lion's share of the split.

Who you got this time?

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[Hydrogen]

If Canelo was using steroids and will be randomly tested for PED's leading up to the fight, he could have issues with his body producing lower quantities of testosterone. The way this might be verified is, Canelo will develop a visible "dad bod". Using steroids causes the body to produce reduced testosterone. When athletes stop using steroids it can take time for their body to naturally begin producing (decreased quantities of...) testosterone again which manifests itself as their bodies visibly having a higher fat and lower muscle content(see: dad bod).

Steroid abuse can also decrease a fighters cardio via damaging their cardiovascular system. Unfortunately, we see more severe effects of this in many old school WWF/WWE pro wrestlers and some older MMA fighters who suffer heart failure.

It depends on whether Canelo used steroids, how many years did he use them for, what quantity / type of steroids were used. Would have to think GGG will be the favorite, unless Adelaide Byrd and some of the more biased Vegas judges are present. GGG's pace is hard to keep up with, even harder for someone who damaged their cardio abusing steroids, I would have to think.

[Baofeng]

If Canelo was using steroids and will be randomly tested for PED's leading up to the fight, he could have issues with his body producing lower quantities of testosterone. The way this might be verified is, Canelo will develop a visible "dad bod". Steroid abuse can also decrease a fighters cardio via damaging their cardiovascular system. Unfortunately, we see more severe effects of this in many old school WWF/WWE pro wrestlers and some older MMA fighters who suffer heart failure.

It really depends on whether Canelo used steroids, if he did use steroids how many years did he use them for and how much/what type of steroids he used. Would have to think GGG will be the favorite, unless Adelaide Byrd and some of the more corrupt Vegas judges are present. GGG's pace is hard to keep up with, even harder for someone who damaged their cardio abusing steroids.

We can only speculate as to how much Canelo is really abusing PEDs in his boxing career. Maybe he was really doing it and suddenly caught up after their first time and made the "tainted meat in Mexico" as an excuse. Just like the first fight though, I'm still leaning towards GGG here, eventhough some yes he has aged already but power wise and chin not yet cracked will be a good advantage. Canelo is a slow starting and comfortable being the counter puncher in the first fight. If he does continue with the same strategy, GGG will not give him a chance to steal those championships round. I'm all for GGG again.

[JesVarez]

The first fight was for GGG, I believe this next fight will be a little more of the same, GGG connecting his shots and making Canelo look bad, Canelo should be still cold from not fighting in a while and with all this news about his drug test I think this can affect him a bit more.
Box has been getting more about money and money, we saw this with the Mayweather vs McGregor fight, hopefully they dont make the same show like they did with this fight and I expect the match of the year in this round 2.

[mostkey]

The first fight was for GGG, I believe this next fight will be a little more of the same, GGG connecting his shots and making Canelo look bad, Canelo should be still cold from not fighting in a while and with all this news about his drug test I think this can affect him a bit more.
Box has been getting more about money and money, we saw this with the Mayweather vs McGregor fight, hopefully they dont make the same show like they did with this fight and I expect the match of the year in this round 2.

both fighter show a very exciting game. two typical fighters who are quite aggressive. I'm sure if this is a fair fight. some people do support GGG but I do the opposite

[btc_angela]

The first fight was for GGG, I believe this next fight will be a little more of the same, GGG connecting his shots and making Canelo look bad, Canelo should be still cold from not fighting in a while and with all this news about his drug test I think this can affect him a bit more.
Box has been getting more about money and money, we saw this with the Mayweather vs McGregor fight, hopefully they dont make the same show like they did with this fight and I expect the match of the year in this round 2.

I agree but the judges saw it a draw that's why there will be a second fight. They hit each other really hard but I also score the first fight for GGG although their some moment wherein Canelo will make a rally and will fire with 5-6 punch combination to the delight of the crowd.

Well boxing is a business, that Mayweather vs McGregor was a good example, real boxing fans knows its going to be a circus and just to make money for both of them.

Going back to the fight to Triple G vs Canelo, I still going to pick Triple G here, Canelo just cheated on their first fight with PEDS and I think he doesn't have that stamina to stay with Triple G for 12 rounds. I hope its going to be another classics fight.

[JesVarez]

The first fight was for GGG, I believe this next fight will be a little more of the same, GGG connecting his shots and making Canelo look bad, Canelo should be still cold from not fighting in a while and with all this news about his drug test I think this can affect him a bit more.
Box has been getting more about money and money, we saw this with the Mayweather vs McGregor fight, hopefully they dont make the same show like they did with this fight and I expect the match of the year in this round 2.

I agree but the judges saw it a draw that's why there will be a second fight. They hit each other really hard but I also score the first fight for GGG although their some moment wherein Canelo will make a rally and will fire with 5-6 punch combination to the delight of the crowd.

Well boxing is a business, that Mayweather vs McGregor was a good example, real boxing fans knows its going to be a circus and just to make money for both of them.

Going back to the fight to Triple G vs Canelo, I still going to pick Triple G here, Canelo just cheated on their first fight with PEDS and I think he doesn't have that stamina to stay with Triple G for 12 rounds. I hope its going to be another classics fight.

Exactly, is becoming more of a business than a sport in some fights, GGG should have won the first one but a second fight would of generated more money.
It was a good fight, dont get me wrong, but hopefully the judges are better this time. I just dont want to see another GGG vs Canelo 3rd match.

[bisdak40]

If Canelo was using steroids and will be randomly tested for PED's leading up to the fight, he could have issues with his body producing lower quantities of testosterone. The way this might be verified is, Canelo will develop a visible "dad bod". Steroid abuse can also decrease a fighters cardio via damaging their cardiovascular system. Unfortunately, we see more severe effects of this in many old school WWF/WWE pro wrestlers and some older MMA fighters who suffer heart failure.

It really depends on whether Canelo used steroids, if he did use steroids how many years did he use them for and how much/what type of steroids he used. Would have to think GGG will be the favorite, unless Adelaide Byrd and some of the more corrupt Vegas judges are present. GGG's pace is hard to keep up with, even harder for someone who damaged their cardio abusing steroids.

We can only speculate as to how much Canelo is really abusing PEDs in his boxing career. Maybe he was really doing it and suddenly caught up after their first time and made the "tainted meat in Mexico" as an excuse. Just like the first fight though, I'm still leaning towards GGG here, eventhough some yes he has aged already but power wise and chin not yet cracked will be a good advantage. Canelo is a slow starting and comfortable being the counter puncher in the first fight. If he does continue with the same strategy, GGG will not give him a chance to steal those championships round. I all for GGG again.

Even if they will meet fives times, Canelo Alvarez have no chance of winning against GGG. Canelo Alvarez is a pampered fighter like Chavez jr in my own opinion. They select whom to fight and credit to their promoters.

[gabmen]

If Canelo was using steroids and will be randomly tested for PED's leading up to the fight, he could have issues with his body producing lower quantities of testosterone. The way this might be verified is, Canelo will develop a visible "dad bod". Steroid abuse can also decrease a fighters cardio via damaging their cardiovascular system. Unfortunately, we see more severe effects of this in many old school WWF/WWE pro wrestlers and some older MMA fighters who suffer heart failure.

It really depends on whether Canelo used steroids, if he did use steroids how many years did he use them for and how much/what type of steroids he used. Would have to think GGG will be the favorite, unless Adelaide Byrd and some of the more corrupt Vegas judges are present. GGG's pace is hard to keep up with, even harder for someone who damaged their cardio abusing steroids.

We can only speculate as to how much Canelo is really abusing PEDs in his boxing career. Maybe he was really doing it and suddenly caught up after their first time and made the "tainted meat in Mexico" as an excuse. Just like the first fight though, I'm still leaning towards GGG here, eventhough some yes he has aged already but power wise and chin not yet cracked will be a good advantage. Canelo is a slow starting and comfortable being the counter puncher in the first fight. If he does continue with the same strategy, GGG will not give him a chance to steal those championships round. I all for GGG again.

Even if they will meet fives times, Canelo Alvarez have no chance of winning against GGG. Canelo Alvarez is a pampered fighter like Chavez jr in my own opinion. They select whom to fight and credit to their promoters.

Yeah I didn't even consider a second fight betweem these two especially with canelo's PED issue. With or without, I think golovkin is a class of his own compared to alvarez. I didn't expect how the first fight ended and that it was that contested but I don't think we'll gace the same result

[peter0425]

If Canelo was using steroids and will be randomly tested for PED's leading up to the fight, he could have issues with his body producing lower quantities of testosterone. The way this might be verified is, Canelo will develop a visible "dad bod". Steroid abuse can also decrease a fighters cardio via damaging their cardiovascular system. Unfortunately, we see more severe effects of this in many old school WWF/WWE pro wrestlers and some older MMA fighters who suffer heart failure.

It really depends on whether Canelo used steroids, if he did use steroids how many years did he use them for and how much/what type of steroids he used. Would have to think GGG will be the favorite, unless Adelaide Byrd and some of the more corrupt Vegas judges are present. GGG's pace is hard to keep up with, even harder for someone who damaged their cardio abusing steroids.

We can only speculate as to how much Canelo is really abusing PEDs in his boxing career. Maybe he was really doing it and suddenly caught up after their first time and made the "tainted meat in Mexico" as an excuse. Just like the first fight though, I'm still leaning towards GGG here, eventhough some yes he has aged already but power wise and chin not yet cracked will be a good advantage. Canelo is a slow starting and comfortable being the counter puncher in the first fight. If he does continue with the same strategy, GGG will not give him a chance to steal those championships round. I all for GGG again.

Even if they will meet fives times, Canelo Alvarez have no chance of winning against GGG. Canelo Alvarez is a pampered fighter like Chavez jr in my own opinion. They select whom to fight and credit to their promoters.

Yeah I didn't even consider a second fight betweem these two especially with canelo's PED issue. With or without, I think golovkin is a class of his own compared to alvarez. I didn't expect how the first fight ended and that it was that contested but I don't think we'll gace the same result

They have to make the second fight because the first one is a draw. That's why Gennady Golovkin used that leverage against Canelo Alvarez to get at least a good share on split. The first was also controversial because of the judges and sometimes we really don't know if those people are really watching the boxing match or at certain times the results are already fixed. I agree with you all that Golovkin won the first fight and he should do the same as well in this rematch.

@bisdak40, Yeah, Alvarez is like a diva right now, its because he is the cash cow of Golden Boy that's why he is very pampered. And imagine his suspension is just 6 months if I'm not mistaken. Others' who have been caught with the PEDS on their system because of the meat contamination was given harsher punishment.

[btc_angela]

The first fight was for GGG, I believe this next fight will be a little more of the same, GGG connecting his shots and making Canelo look bad, Canelo should be still cold from not fighting in a while and with all this news about his drug test I think this can affect him a bit more.
Box has been getting more about money and money, we saw this with the Mayweather vs McGregor fight, hopefully they dont make the same show like they did with this fight and I expect the match of the year in this round 2.

I agree but the judges saw it a draw that's why there will be a second fight. They hit each other really hard but I also score the first fight for GGG although their some moment wherein Canelo will make a rally and will fire with 5-6 punch combination to the delight of the crowd.

Well boxing is a business, that Mayweather vs McGregor was a good example, real boxing fans knows its going to be a circus and just to make money for both of them.

Going back to the fight to Triple G vs Canelo, I still going to pick Triple G here, Canelo just cheated on their first fight with PEDS and I think he doesn't have that stamina to stay with Triple G for 12 rounds. I hope its going to be another classics fight.

Exactly, is becoming more of a business than a sport in some fights, GGG should have won the first one but a second fight would of generated more money.
It was a good fight, dont get me wrong, but hopefully the judges are better this time. I just dont want to see another GGG vs Canelo 3rd match.

Yep, and in addition, boxers now have been in some sort of careful match making. Gone are the days wherein champions would really clean out division. Now they boxing promoters are carefully and strategically match potential champions and hype the fight. They don't want to damage them because they are going to be the next face of boxing. The last boxer who have been milked by boxing promoter  is Mike Tyson and we all know that he'd been broke for many years, But imagine how much he generated during its peak and the only people who because rich is not Mike Tyson but his promoter Don King.

[onnz423]

Well, I really don't see why juicelo should get anywhere near the Lion's share of the split, firstly he was suspended and fined for tested positive for a banned substance, which he claims was due to eating raw meat or something ridiculous. Canelo is obviously doing something suspicious, his physique has changed in such an unusual way recently as he's been climbing to the top of the rankings.

That being said, Golovkin was completely robbed in their first fight, every score card had it in GGG's favor except that one female judge who was obviously watching a different fight, or must have been on drugs if she thought that Canelo won it by such a margin. I mean come on, you could give him a few round maybe 3-4, but he really didn't do too much in the other rounds. In any case, I am pretty sure that the doping testing procedures for this next fight will be massively improved again, so Canelo won't be able to get away with cheating.

GGG is getting a little old now however, Canelo is still young and fresh, it's going to be a brawl but I think GGG is just too much of a beast to be stopped. It will likely to go a points decision at the end, I'll be putting my money on UD for Golovkin, maybe a smaller amount on SD, but I really doubt there will be a KO/TKO or retirement from either side.

Edit: I think a 65:35 split is fair, given the robbery in the last fight, and juicing allegations.

[Jating]

Ok let me try to get it straight.

In the first fight, Saul Alvarez took the lionshare's of the purse. Splitting 70-30 on his favor. Golovkin then retains all his belt as a result. It ended up in a draw and both verbally agreed to a rematch but then time is 65-35, which is fair in my opinion. However, Saul Alvarez was caught with steroids on his system, causing the May fight cancelled. Golovkin then beat Vanes and broke Bernard Hopkins of 18 successful defense of the Middleweight crown. Now here's my take.

Canelo has more bargaining power now since (a) Saul Alvarez was suspended because of illegal substance on his system (b) He broke Hopkins record (c) he is the undisputed champion. So I think he has all the rights to at least a 50-50 split and eventhough he and his team verbally agreed on the 65-35 at the time because the result of the VADA wasn't well known yet.

But as mentioned, dela Hoya shouldered the remaining 2.5%, 57.5-42.5, but Golovkin rejected. So at the last minute, and to salvage the fight, he had to cough out that remaining 2.5% so that Golovkin will get 45%.

And as everyone who follow the first fight, it was a robbery indeed and I hope Golovkin winning. He did the damage early and I don't think that the championship was enough for Alvarez to rally to at least make it a draw.

[onnz423]

Ok let me try to get it straight.

In the first fight, Saul Alvarez took the lionshare's of the purse. Splitting 70-30 on his favor. Golovkin then retains all his belt as a result. It ended up in a draw and both verbally agreed to a rematch but then time is 65-35, which is fair in my opinion. However, Saul Alvarez was caught with steroids on his system, causing the May fight cancelled. Golovkin then beat Vanes and broke Bernard Hopkins of 18 successful defense of the Middleweight crown. Now here's my take.

Canelo has more bargaining power now since (a) Saul Alvarez was suspended because of illegal substance on his system (b) He broke Hopkins record (c) he is the undisputed champion. So I think he has all the rights to at least a 50-50 split and eventhough he and his team verbally agreed on the 65-35 at the time because the result of the VADA wasn't well known yet.

But as mentioned, dela Hoya shouldered the remaining 2.5%, 57.5-42.5, but Golovkin rejected. So at the last minute, and to salvage the fight, he had to cough out that remaining 2.5% so that Golovkin will get 45%.

And as everyone who follow the first fight, it was a robbery indeed and I hope Golovkin winning. He did the damage early and I don't think that the championship was enough for Alvarez to rally to at least make it a draw.

I think you mean that Golovkin has more bargaining power now, Canelo is the nickname of Saul Alvarez. I don't think GGG's destruction of Vanes has much to do with this position for the next fight. Also, where did you read that Canelo took the major share of the first purse? Doesn't seem realistic considering GGG was the A side?

[Jating]

Ok let me try to get it straight.

In the first fight, Saul Alvarez took the lionshare's of the purse. Splitting 70-30 on his favor. Golovkin then retains all his belt as a result. It ended up in a draw and both verbally agreed to a rematch but then time is 65-35, which is fair in my opinion. However, Saul Alvarez was caught with steroids on his system, causing the May fight cancelled. Golovkin then beat Vanes and broke Bernard Hopkins of 18 successful defense of the Middleweight crown. Now here's my take.

Canelo has more bargaining power now since (a) Saul Alvarez was suspended because of illegal substance on his system (b) He broke Hopkins record (c) he is the undisputed champion. So I think he has all the rights to at least a 50-50 split and eventhough he and his team verbally agreed on the 65-35 at the time because the result of the VADA wasn't well known yet.

But as mentioned, dela Hoya shouldered the remaining 2.5%, 57.5-42.5, but Golovkin rejected. So at the last minute, and to salvage the fight, he had to cough out that remaining 2.5% so that Golovkin will get 45%.

And as everyone who follow the first fight, it was a robbery indeed and I hope Golovkin winning. He did the damage early and I don't think that the championship was enough for Alvarez to rally to at least make it a draw.

I think you mean that Golovkin has more bargaining power now, Canelo is the nickname of Saul Alvarez. I don't think GGG's destruction of Vanes has much to do with this position for the next fight. Also, where did you read that Canelo took the major share of the first purse? Doesn't seem realistic considering GGG was the A side?

Yes, I stand corrected, it should be Golovkin has more bargaining power now. Saul Alvarez is the A side during the first fight because the has lot of fanbased And Golovkin hasn't have that drawing power yet in the US soil. While Alvarez has established himself as boxing cash cow.

Oscar De La Hoya, Alvarez’s promoter, said Tuesday that a 57.5-42.5 split was his final offer and gave Golovkin a deadline of noon PT Wednesday to accept it. A determined Golovkin, who accepted a 70-30 split for their first fight last September 16 and a 65-35 split when their rematch initially was scheduled for May 5, was rewarded for holding out for that final 2.5 percent.

https://www.boxingscene.com/loeffler-50-50-fair-ggg-gave-canelo-5-percent-his-ego--129241

[Baofeng]

What do you guys think though about PPV numbers this time? The last fight draw 1.3 M PPV, which is one of the top ten in boxing's history. Do you think it can do more than the last fight of even gets close to the Pacquiao-Mayweather PPV records?

[btc_angela]

What do you guys think though about PPV numbers this time? The last fight draw 1.3 M PPV, which is one of the top ten in boxing's history. Do you think it can do more than the last fight of even gets close to the Pacquiao-Mayweather PPV records?

I really don't think that they can go above 2 million per-pay-view in their second fight but I have to say that they can exceed their first fight. Again, even though that GGG is destroying fighters, he hasn't had established himself as a big superstar in the US and its been like 4-5 years before he appear in the US, casual fans doesn't know him that much, to say the least. I'm been seeing a lot of media trash talk lately about how they have each other that may added another drama here, but my best estimate is that they can get around 1.3-1.5 pay-per-view in their rubber match.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

GGG every day of the week for me, the last fight decision was bull shit, must have been rigged. GGG will put it right this time with a victory.

[npredtorch]

Let's just hope that we'll see a clear knockout this time, to see who really is the strongest.
Also, this should better not go with the level of running/hugging as with the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight. People are already tired in watching a romance show inside the boxing ring   .

What do you guys think though about PPV numbers this time? The last fight draw 1.3 M PPV, which is one of the top ten in boxing's history. Do you think it can do more than the last fight of even gets close to the Pacquiao-Mayweather PPV records?

I guess it doesn't stand a chance to reach the same ppv numbers with the Pacquiao - Mayweather.
Honestly, I don't feel the same thrill on this upcoming fight when compared to the so called "Fight of the Century".

[Baofeng]

Let's just hope that we'll see a clear knockout this time, to see who really is the strongest.
Also, this should better not go with the level of running/hugging as with the Pacquiao-Mayweather fight. People are already tired in watching a romance show inside the boxing ring   .

What do you guys think though about PPV numbers this time? The last fight draw 1.3 M PPV, which is one of the top ten in boxing's history. Do you think it can do more than the last fight of even gets close to the Pacquiao-Mayweather PPV records?

I guess it doesn't stand a chance to reach the same ppv numbers with the Pacquiao - Mayweather.
Honestly, I don't feel the same thrill on this upcoming fight when compared to the so called "Fight of the Century".

Ok fair enough.  Might not be as close as to May-Pac PPV numbers but I'm assuming that it can go above its previous PPV because each one of them has something to prove. Most of us saw the GGG really won the fight so he might used a different strategy but Alvarez, with all the steroids allegations will want to prove that he is clean. But I don't think that there will be a "bro-mance"   inside the ring. They now started to hate each other, so someone will really get hurt during this fight.