Had Satoshi Nagamoto made himself public, would BTC be where it is today? Why?

[seantcm]

Hi guys, I had this thinking out of a sudden when I see all exchanges and services surround cryptocurrencies asking for KYC documents!

I started to relate this to Satoshi Nagamoto and the inception of Bitcoin. The reason why Bitcoin is unstoppable, apart from its Blockchain Fundamental, another biggest reason would be that Satoshi Nagamoto is anonymous. Had he exposed himself at the early inception days of Bitcoin, the government/authority from all over the world, including the Rothchilds Familys, Dragon Fund and the sort would hunt him down and make Bitcoin a stillbirth.

So had any services and exchanges provider remain anonymous rather than exposing their company and their team just to please the public (avoid being called a scam), we would have a better Crypto Space now!

Whats your thought on this? Do you support the future Exchanges and Serivce Providers to be anonymous? And why?

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[pooya87]

what you  are confused about is the fact that bitcoin is not some centralized altcoin which has one owner with the switch to turn it on and off. bitcoin is a decentralized system that even if you find Satoshi Nakamoto and reveal his identity bitcoin will still remain the same thing in the end.
so the following statement of yours does not make sense:

Had he exposed himself at the early inception days of Bitcoin, the government/authority from all over the world, including the Rothchilds Familys, Dragon Fund and the sort would hunt him down and make Bitcoin a stillbirth.

this can only work on some centralized altcoin.

additionally you keep talking about exchanges and services like that. they have nothing to do with bitcoin. they are just third party services that provide a link between the fiat world (hence the KYC and identity requirements) and bitcoin world.

as for exchanges and service providers to be anonymous themselves that is not going to work because you are putting your money in their hands (for example when you trade you deposit on their platform and lose control) so you need to know who they are and there needs to be regulations controlling them.

[seizetehday5]

I can't disagree with the idea that if Satoshi was known Bitcoin would be alive because I too believe a big power would have came and shut it down. Because of this I try my best to only support and use anonymous exchanges but moving forward that may be impossible (centralized exchanges though), but we may have an alternative yet (DEX's).

[pooya87]

Hi there. I know it is decentralized of course, but what I meant is that had Satoshi be punished and asked to assist in destroying bitcoin (Im sure no one thought about this before), there are many ways he can do so. Looking at the mess of forking, 51 attack just part of the mess im talking about that brings the death of Bitcoin

again bitcoin is decentralized and Satoshi is just a developer and he doesn't have any more power than any other programmer out there specially at this point that the network has grown this big and is still growing.
the only thing that revelation of Satoshi can affect is the price and that is only because it is assumed that Satoshi may control a large amount of bitcoin. but you are not talking about price you are talking about "destroying bitcoin" which is not possible.

as you can see the forking mess was a temporary drama and the 51% attacks have been a part of the forks (the altcoins) just like it has always been. for years different altcoins have been under 51% attack that wipes out their blocks and creates nuisance for exchanges that did not start with these forked coins.

[seantcm]

I can't disagree with the idea that if Satoshi was known Bitcoin would be alive because I too believe a big power would have came and shut it down. Because of this I try my best to only support and use anonymous exchanges but moving forward that may be impossible (centralized exchanges though), but we may have an alternative yet (DEX's).

Exactly my point here. Some Government, high power fellas would have done anything within their power to stop Bitcoin. Whether it is decentralized or not doesnt matter, they have ways to do it if you get what I mean. Think out of the box

[HumberGuns]

I completely agree with you! if Bitcoin has this great popularity is because Satoshi Nakamoto is unknown!
bitcoin belongs to everyone and is for everyone! thanks Sathoshi to have started all this! 

[Lorna111]

Hi there. I know it is decentralized of course, but what I meant is that had Satoshi be punished and asked to assist in destroying bitcoin (Im sure no one thought about this before), there are many ways he can do so. Looking at the mess of forking, 51 attack just part of the mess im talking about that brings the death of Bitcoin

again bitcoin is decentralized and Satoshi is just a developer and he doesn't have any more power than any other programmer out there specially at this point that the network has grown this big and is still growing.
the only thing that revelation of Satoshi can affect is the price and that is only because it is assumed that Satoshi may control a large amount of bitcoin. but you are not talking about price you are talking about "destroying bitcoin" which is not possible.

as you can see the forking mess was a temporary drama and the 51% attacks have been a part of the forks (the altcoins) just like it has always been. for years different altcoins have been under 51% attack that wipes out their blocks and creates nuisance for exchanges that did not start with these forked coins.

 A newbie perception, please do your home, learn more about your posting, it seems like that your just trying make question on this forum, as stated above Bitcoin is Decentralized, no one is in  control.  The issue on the price market now, is different story affected by a lot indicators, the volume of investment, HODL, FUD, Scammer,Banned, and the never ending issue on Regulation by the government financial institution globally, not to mention the fake news about Bitcoin.

[seantcm]

Hi there. I know it is decentralized of course, but what I meant is that had Satoshi be punished and asked to assist in destroying bitcoin (Im sure no one thought about this before), there are many ways he can do so. Looking at the mess of forking, 51 attack just part of the mess im talking about that brings the death of Bitcoin

again bitcoin is decentralized and Satoshi is just a developer and he doesn't have any more power than any other programmer out there specially at this point that the network has grown this big and is still growing.
the only thing that revelation of Satoshi can affect is the price and that is only because it is assumed that Satoshi may control a large amount of bitcoin. but you are not talking about price you are talking about "destroying bitcoin" which is not possible.

as you can see the forking mess was a temporary drama and the 51% attacks have been a part of the forks (the altcoins) just like it has always been. for years different altcoins have been under 51% attack that wipes out their blocks and creates nuisance for exchanges that did not start with these forked coins.

Yup I totally agree with you on this.
However, my main point here is "at early inception of Bitcoin, the revelation of Satoshi's identity could lead to a different story that we see it now". For example, the whole world would be brainwash to believe that Bitcoin was developed to destory the world financial system (rather than improving it); and that Bitcoin is a scam and controlled by the drug cartel etc, investing in it is as good as throwing money down the drain and anyone invested and caught would be punished. All this would happen if Satoshi's identity was revealed and forced to be labelled on the bad names I simply suggest above, or accusing him of anything that could think of.

[seantcm]

Hi there. I know it is decentralized of course, but what I meant is that had Satoshi be punished and asked to assist in destroying bitcoin (Im sure no one thought about this before), there are many ways he can do so. Looking at the mess of forking, 51 attack just part of the mess im talking about that brings the death of Bitcoin

again bitcoin is decentralized and Satoshi is just a developer and he doesn't have any more power than any other programmer out there specially at this point that the network has grown this big and is still growing.
the only thing that revelation of Satoshi can affect is the price and that is only because it is assumed that Satoshi may control a large amount of bitcoin. but you are not talking about price you are talking about "destroying bitcoin" which is not possible.

as you can see the forking mess was a temporary drama and the 51% attacks have been a part of the forks (the altcoins) just like it has always been. for years different altcoins have been under 51% attack that wipes out their blocks and creates nuisance for exchanges that did not start with these forked coins.

 A newbie perception, please do your home, learn more about your posting, it seems like that your just trying make question on this forum, as stated above Bitcoin is Decentralized, no one is in  control.  The issue on the price market now, is different story affected by a lot indicators, the volume of investment, HODL, FUD, Scammer,Banned, and the never ending issue on Regulation by the government financial institution globally, not to mention the fake news about Bitcoin.

It seems that you are the one who is trying to make post to earn activity point without even elaborating what is your point here?

We arent talking about prices here my friend

[Nerman]

I do not think there will be any changes. The price will be the same. People will use it as we use it right now. Just like other coins that we know who are the developers.

Again Satoshi Nakamoto is the developer but Bitcoin is decentralized and we all own Bitcoin.

[pooya87]

Hi there. I know it is decentralized of course, but what I meant is that had Satoshi be punished and asked to assist in destroying bitcoin (Im sure no one thought about this before), there are many ways he can do so. Looking at the mess of forking, 51 attack just part of the mess im talking about that brings the death of Bitcoin

again bitcoin is decentralized and Satoshi is just a developer and he doesn't have any more power than any other programmer out there specially at this point that the network has grown this big and is still growing.
the only thing that revelation of Satoshi can affect is the price and that is only because it is assumed that Satoshi may control a large amount of bitcoin. but you are not talking about price you are talking about "destroying bitcoin" which is not possible.

as you can see the forking mess was a temporary drama and the 51% attacks have been a part of the forks (the altcoins) just like it has always been. for years different altcoins have been under 51% attack that wipes out their blocks and creates nuisance for exchanges that did not start with these forked coins.

Yup I totally agree with you on this.
However, my main point here is "at early inception of Bitcoin, the revelation of Satoshi's identity could lead to a different story that we see it now". For example, the whole world would be brainwash to believe that Bitcoin was developed to destory the world financial system (rather than improving it); and that Bitcoin is a scam and controlled by the drug cartel etc, investing in it is as good as throwing money down the drain and anyone invested and caught would be punished. All this would happen if Satoshi's identity was revealed and forced to be labelled on the bad names I simply suggest above, or accusing him of anything that could think of.

well i feel like there are two different subjects here. one is destroying bitcoin, as in killing it and it no longer exist afterwards. and another is to crash the market and price dropping down.
the second one is obviously possible and can even be easy with the scenario that you are describing. many will sell, panic, run away,... so there would be a crash. but the first one is impossible because at the end of the day nothing about bitcoin itself is going to change. only the perception can change. the thing about peer to peer systems is that they will exist as long as there is one peer on the network.

for instance you can start telling everyone Torrent (a peer to peer system) is illegal and is used for pirating only and by criminals to share illegal content. well that will lead many to uninstall their Torrent programs and stop using it but it won't kill Torrenting. so next time you download Ubuntu for example you could see a drop in number of seed (peers) but there will still be seeds.

[seantcm]

Hi there. I know it is decentralized of course, but what I meant is that had Satoshi be punished and asked to assist in destroying bitcoin (Im sure no one thought about this before), there are many ways he can do so. Looking at the mess of forking, 51 attack just part of the mess im talking about that brings the death of Bitcoin

again bitcoin is decentralized and Satoshi is just a developer and he doesn't have any more power than any other programmer out there specially at this point that the network has grown this big and is still growing.
the only thing that revelation of Satoshi can affect is the price and that is only because it is assumed that Satoshi may control a large amount of bitcoin. but you are not talking about price you are talking about "destroying bitcoin" which is not possible.

as you can see the forking mess was a temporary drama and the 51% attacks have been a part of the forks (the altcoins) just like it has always been. for years different altcoins have been under 51% attack that wipes out their blocks and creates nuisance for exchanges that did not start with these forked coins.

Yup I totally agree with you on this.
However, my main point here is "at early inception of Bitcoin, the revelation of Satoshi's identity could lead to a different story that we see it now". For example, the whole world would be brainwash to believe that Bitcoin was developed to destory the world financial system (rather than improving it); and that Bitcoin is a scam and controlled by the drug cartel etc, investing in it is as good as throwing money down the drain and anyone invested and caught would be punished. All this would happen if Satoshi's identity was revealed and forced to be labelled on the bad names I simply suggest above, or accusing him of anything that could think of.

well i feel like there are two different subjects here. one is destroying bitcoin, as in killing it and it no longer exist afterwards. and another is to crash the market and price dropping down.
the second one is obviously possible and can even be easy with the scenario that you are describing. many will sell, panic, run away,... so there would be a crash. but the first one is impossible because at the end of the day nothing about bitcoin itself is going to change. only the perception can change. the thing about peer to peer systems is that they will exist as long as there is one peer on the network.

for instance you can start telling everyone Torrent (a peer to peer system) is illegal and is used for pirating only and by criminals to share illegal content. well that will lead many to uninstall their Torrent programs and stop using it but it won't kill Torrenting. so next time you download Ubuntu for example you could see a drop in number of seed (peers) but there will still be seeds.

Haha Im relieved now that Im being understood.
Yes I do not mean Killing it, its impossible. I mean exactly the second situation, and what a great example you gave about Torrent. Thats spot on and described the situation perfectly =)

[erickkyut]

I think not. BTC will not be as successful as today if Satoshi Nakamoto will reveal himself to public. He might get arrested by the authority for creating Bitcoin. We don't know on what charges but I think, will think of something just to arrest Satoshi Nakamoto because it is against the banking system.

[seantcm]

I think not. BTC will not be as successful as today if Satoshi Nakamoto will reveal himself to public. He might get arrested by the authority for creating Bitcoin. We don't know on what charges but I think, will think of something just to arrest Satoshi Nakamoto because it is against the banking system.

Exactly what I described above

[Herlina]

Hi guys, I had this thinking out of a sudden when I see all exchanges and services surround cryptocurrencies asking for KYC documents!

I started to relate this to Satoshi Nagamoto and the inception of Bitcoin. The reason why Bitcoin is unstoppable, apart from its Blockchain Fundamental, another biggest reason would be that Satoshi Nagamoto is anonymous. Had he exposed himself at the early inception days of Bitcoin, the government/authority from all over the world, including the Rothchilds Familys, Dragon Fund and the sort would hunt him down and make Bitcoin a stillbirth.

So had any services and exchanges provider remain anonymous rather than exposing their company and their team just to please the public (avoid being called a scam), we would have a better Crypto Space now!

Whats your thought on this? Do you support the future Exchanges and Serivce Providers to be anonymous? And why?

You can not equate Bitcoin with centralized services
Bitcoin is a decentralized currency, decentralized currency is not controlled by company or foundation and this factor makes Bitcoin not easily killed by regulation
Crypto exchanges requesting KYC verification is a centralized service, complying with regulations is a must for centralized services, if they don't comply with regulations then the exchange service can be killed

Whats your thought on this? Do you support the future Exchanges and Serivce Providers to be anonymous? And why?

I don't support centralized services with anonymous companies because it's dangerous if there is a problem with the service, customers will find it difficult to sue the anonymous team

[Kakmakr]

Bitcoin was born from a Cypherpunk movement with strong anonymity principles. They do this for a reason, because they are challenging the norm and also the governments that are enforcing that norm. Back in those days, governments had a zero tolerance on the public printing their own currency, so Satoshi had to stay anonymous to prevent these governments from prosecuting him and throwing him into jail.

If he did reveal his identity, he would be in jail and Bitcoin would have suffered a early downfall. People would not have used the currency, in fear of being prosecuted by these authorities. 

[seantcm]

Hi guys, I had this thinking out of a sudden when I see all exchanges and services surround cryptocurrencies asking for KYC documents!

I started to relate this to Satoshi Nagamoto and the inception of Bitcoin. The reason why Bitcoin is unstoppable, apart from its Blockchain Fundamental, another biggest reason would be that Satoshi Nagamoto is anonymous. Had he exposed himself at the early inception days of Bitcoin, the government/authority from all over the world, including the Rothchilds Familys, Dragon Fund and the sort would hunt him down and make Bitcoin a stillbirth.

So had any services and exchanges provider remain anonymous rather than exposing their company and their team just to please the public (avoid being called a scam), we would have a better Crypto Space now!

Whats your thought on this? Do you support the future Exchanges and Serivce Providers to be anonymous? And why?

You can not equate Bitcoin with centralized services
Bitcoin is a decentralized currency, decentralized currency is not controlled by company or foundation and this factor makes Bitcoin not easily killed by regulation
Crypto exchanges requesting KYC verification is a centralized service, complying with regulations is a must for centralized services, if they don't comply with regulations then the exchange service can be killed

Whats your thought on this? Do you support the future Exchanges and Serivce Providers to be anonymous? And why?

Yeah you have made it right that I cant equate Bitcoin with Centralized services.

I don't support centralized services with anonymous companies because it's dangerous if there is a problem with the service, customers will find it difficult to sue the anonymous team

What about anonymous companies with Decentralized Platform, like Peer - to - Peer exchange where moneys doesnt kept by the company, buyers and sellers deal directly with each other and the Exchange provide Escrow services? I see these as a good fit to the future of crypto moving forward. All the Centralized service are gonna face hard time with the ever changing rules and regulations, as well as pressure on its operating countries which could make Peer to Peer anonymous companies go way faster and grow bigger without restrictions

[audaciousbeing]

Hi guys, I had this thinking out of a sudden when I see all exchanges and services surround cryptocurrencies asking for KYC documents!

I started to relate this to Satoshi Nagamoto and the inception of Bitcoin. The reason why Bitcoin is unstoppable, apart from its Blockchain Fundamental, another biggest reason would be that Satoshi Nagamoto is anonymous. Had he exposed himself at the early inception days of Bitcoin, the government/authority from all over the world, including the Rothchilds Familys, Dragon Fund and the sort would hunt him down and make Bitcoin a stillbirth.

So had any services and exchanges provider remain anonymous rather than exposing their company and their team just to please the public (avoid being called a scam), we would have a better Crypto Space now!

Whats your thought on this? Do you support the future Exchanges and Serivce Providers to be anonymous? And why?

If we are thinking about the potentials of bitcoin and not blockchain, I think if Satoshi has been in the open, we wouldn't have known about bitcoin or we know about it with reference with what happened in the past because it would have been killed longtime ago before it even get to be the talk of the society. One of the mystery that still makes it a subject to reckon with is the mystery that surrounds Satoshi and that is the cover given to every other crypto currency developer who has we know and decides not to be in the shadow. I watched the account of the liberty reserve creator and while we might have reason of him doing wrong, we only saw it because people in power deem it fit and the same thing would have happened to Satoshi if he had come out.

On the blockchain technology, I think the greatest that would happen is to win the Nobel prize or honorary doctorates degrees from top notch universities then be listed in Forbes that's all. In all the benefit of staying secret out weights the benefit of coming out because of the number of lives touched following the former path.

[Pursuer]

What about anonymous companies with Decentralized Platform, like Peer - to - Peer exchange where moneys doesnt kept by the company, buyers and sellers deal directly with each other and the Exchange provide Escrow services? I see these as a good fit to the future of crypto moving forward. All the Centralized service are gonna face hard time with the ever changing rules and regulations, as well as pressure on its operating countries which could make Peer to Peer anonymous companies go way faster and grow bigger without restrictions

decentralized exchanges also have their limitations. for example if you want to use banks to transfer money you still have to endure KYC and a lot of the money transferring methods have charge back issues that increases the risk of getting scammed. and trading face to face with cash is not possible for everyone.
in the end we will always need the centralized exchanges to have a place where we can easily transfer money to and from and trade instantly and speculate about bitcoin price.

decentralized exchanges with crypto to crypto exchange is a different story though because it is all using blockchain technology it can be done fast and easy without any problems. they will be the future and the altcoin exchanges will be extinct in a couple of years in my opinion.

[pikebu]

I think not. BTC will not be as successful as today if Satoshi Nakamoto will reveal himself to public. He might get arrested by the authority for creating Bitcoin. We don't know on what charges but I think, will think of something just to arrest Satoshi Nakamoto because it is against the banking system.

Yes i agree with you, more than it maybe Satoshi Nakamoto will be killed by the people who doesn't like bitcoin, and they will search about the weakness of bitcoin or they will takes bitcoin from Satoshi Nakamoto, bitcoin protect our currency to be more useful in values because of the simple problem of inflation in fiat money, i love Satoshi Nakamoto was hide it is good strategy to growth of bitcoin around the world.