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No country is more vulnerable to cryptocurrencies than the centre of the liberal empire. the US sole existance is founded on the opposition against the nazis that seeked to established a regional banking cartel, with cryptos the us is basically being peaked into its achilles verse. the us kongress can't justify having a banking cartel wich it only could with national socialism, but thats the declared devil of the usa, and so we all will se the collapse of the once big global liberal empire into a tribal society.
as soon as the usa, loses its functional financial system, the us military becomes a poor house, similar like the soviet union's red army become when it lost its currency monopoly and had to switch towards countless national currencies and the russian rubble
it will lose its dominance over the world's oil trade, without the us petrodollar,
china then will have to find new customers for its goods, which it might find easier in europe but also in africa, india and the middle east, although unlike europe the other regions are more bussy developing their country and stabilising it than, consuming goods.
how do you think will the usa transform due to cryptos?
Will bitcoin be evaluated then in chinese yuan, or japanese yen, or euros?
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June 19, 2018, 06:03:40 PM |
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I think that the effect it will have on countries economies would just be evening things out a little, so the countries with better economys might feel a bit of a negative effect while third world countries would probably experience a positive impact on their economy. As mentioned above, US government is very smart so I'm pretty sure that they would already have come up with some emergency measures for such a situation
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June 19, 2018, 06:23:24 PM |
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Only 8% Americans or 25,000,000 Americans have Bitcoin and bitcoin growth has stopped after super-HYIP profits of $1 to $10,000
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June 19, 2018, 06:38:39 PM |
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Immigration and divisivness will pose a bigger threat to the US than cryptocurrency ever would
immigration is reason why us economy is stable, and gets supply with labour, i expect bitcoin and cryptocurrencies to basically wreck the usa as it is. it will lose its world super power position and collapse like the soviet union
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June 20, 2018, 12:01:09 AM |
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Only 8% Americans or 25,000,000 Americans have Bitcoin and bitcoin growth has stopped after super-HYIP profits of $1 to $10,000
Plus one, for this one. You guys think we're crazy deep into crypto? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) There aren't that many free thinkers of us out there. immigration is reason why us economy is stable, and gets supply with labour,
i expect bitcoin and cryptocurrencies to basically wreck the usa as it is. it will lose its world super power position and collapse like the soviet union Dude. I really don't think you studied the cold war that well. I'm pretty sure the Soviets lost because of their lack of a free market system. (Far away from what Cryptos are. True free markets.) So yeah. As the USA gets farther from free markets, then we get more susceptible. But we are Waaaay away from that. Immigration keeps our economy stable? Are you high? Not even answering that. Cryptos work with free markets very well. ALL countries are going to face this issue someday. Not just the USA. The ones most compatible with its ideals will be hurt the least. That stands to reason. So I'd be more worried about China, Russia, the middle east, South America, etc... ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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June 20, 2018, 01:00:43 AM |
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Only 8% Americans or 25,000,000 Americans have Bitcoin and bitcoin growth has stopped after super-HYIP profits of $1 to $10,000
Plus one, for this one. You guys think we're crazy deep into crypto? ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) There aren't that many free thinkers of us out there. immigration is reason why us economy is stable, and gets supply with labour,
i expect bitcoin and cryptocurrencies to basically wreck the usa as it is. it will lose its world super power position and collapse like the soviet union Dude. I really don't think you studied the cold war that well. I'm pretty sure the Soviets lost because of their lack of a free market system. (Far away from what Cryptos are. True free markets.) So yeah. As the USA gets farther from free markets, then we get more susceptible. But we are Waaaay away from that. Immigration keeps our economy stable? Are you high? Not even answering that. Cryptos work with free markets very well. ALL countries are going to face this issue someday. Not just the USA. The ones most compatible with its ideals will be hurt the least. That stands to reason. So I'd be more worried about China, Russia, the middle east, South America, etc... ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) cryptos will fuck your heads up, leech the economy until no one wants to work anymore. at least thats what i assume why work when you can create money out of nothing? people are already creating alternative indexes.
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June 20, 2018, 01:15:07 AM |
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Here's one problem with the U.S. approach and it's not just crypto: Crypto in the Kill Zone https://www.bitcoinwednesday.com/crypto-in-the-kill-zone/It's about Regulatory Capture. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bitcoinwednesday.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F06%2FGeorge-Stigler-Economist-University-Chicago-Regulatory-Capture-350x350px-250x250.jpg&t=665&c=Y6naYWmhpI7eZQ) I personally think it's important to aim for a peaceful co-existence between the decentralized cryptocurrency and fiat systems, but agree it won't be easy getting there.
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June 20, 2018, 01:20:52 AM |
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Here's one problem with the U.S. approach and it's not just crypto: Crypto in the Kill Zone https://www.bitcoinwednesday.com/crypto-in-the-kill-zone/It's about Regulatory Capture. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bitcoinwednesday.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F06%2FGeorge-Stigler-Economist-University-Chicago-Regulatory-Capture-350x350px-250x250.jpg&t=665&c=Y6naYWmhpI7eZQ) I personally think it's important to aim for a peaceful co-existence between the decentralized cryptocurrency and fiat systems, but agree it won't be easy getting there. there cannot be a peaceful coexistance between cryptocurrencies and mission regulated central banks, only if the greed of both parties is beeing fullfilled by the working population that will be burned in the process. even cryptocurrencies among themselves are not capable of peaceful coexistance. its a nonstop Information war.
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June 20, 2018, 01:26:35 AM |
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> even cryptocurrencies among themselves are not capable of peaceful coexistance
That's a proxy war (i.e. the innocent people getting killed in Syria are not the ones behind all the fighting).
I do agree that the world will never agree on one blockchain, but the diversity is a strength, strength in numbers, remember?
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June 20, 2018, 02:35:21 AM |
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> even cryptocurrencies among themselves are not capable of peaceful coexistance
That's a proxy war (i.e. the innocent people getting killed in Syria are not the ones behind all the fighting).
I do agree that the world will never agree on one blockchain, but the diversity is a strength, strength in numbers, remember?
already starting stepped out of human rights council http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/usa-menschenrechtsrat-105.html
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June 20, 2018, 03:40:50 AM |
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I do not think that the crypto currency will somehow affect the US economy so much that it will be able to cause it significant harm, and so much to turn this advanced country into one of the countries of the third world. The US government is pursuing a rather tough policy with respect to the crypto currency, defending its interests and prohibiting or restricting its circulation, if they believe that this must be done to protect its interests. In general, I think that the crypto currency is not capable of causing any significant damage to any state if the decentralized crypto currency is only able to walk in parallel with the national money. And the SEC has recently recognized bitcoin and ethereum only as a commodity.
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June 20, 2018, 03:52:30 AM |
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I do not think any crypto currency will make any country poorer or be turned into a third world country. Also FIAT value are declining every year. It has nothing to with crypto currency.
As we all know US Dollars is widely used worldwide and so are other currency. I do not know why are you asking if Bitcoin will be evaluated by other currency because it is being evaluated by other currency as well. Go to Japan and they evaluate Bitcoin by Yen.
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June 20, 2018, 04:10:52 AM |
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While the dollar is largely responsible for the success of the US, its economy and its position as a world leader it is not as important as other things. For example their military persuasion. Without such a large military presence across the world they'd not be in such a position of strength. Couple that with a willingness to always do what's in the best interest of themselves (they may claim otherwise but it's not true) and that's why they'll continue in such strength. OH and don't forget that a large majority of their population support this because they're oblivious to the lies etc.
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I don't think so, because the United States still control the encryption the money market, when the United States has a new law, then other countries will be making a similar law system immediately, so I think the United States still control the pricing power of the entire market.
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June 20, 2018, 04:40:26 AM |
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The US government will not allow for sure that their country will belong to third world country.Crypto doesnt affect the economy of US because they are not that dumb that they will let their power down.For me since the beginning US wants to rule the world, if they will be a third world country they cannot do everything they wanted.
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June 20, 2018, 01:26:45 PM |
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The US government will not allow for sure that their country will belong to third world country.Crypto doesnt affect the economy of US because they are not that dumb that they will let their power down.For me since the beginning US wants to rule the world, if they will be a third world country they cannot do everything they wanted.
I dare to think differently messing up.with a countries financial system changes a lot Usa stepped out of un human rights council stuff like this should be noted they did that for a reason cryptos
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June 20, 2018, 02:30:27 PM |
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I'm sorry. I'm not following the logic. Usa stepped out of un human rights council stuff like this should be noted they did that for a reason cryptos
Did you miss the press conference? Whether or not you agree, the US pulled out of the human rights council because the other countries don't like Israel. I missed where they talked about cryptocurrencies, during the whole "human rights" discussion. Seems a bit off topic to switch to blockchains when your conversation is about genocidal regions, and antisemitism. The trend in this thread, is that any thought you seem to have, relates directly back to the United States crashing and burning. I'm wondering if this is an intellectually honest question, or wishful thinking on your part? No. Bitcoin isn't going to destroy the USA. And it is certainly not going to destroy the USA, and leave everything else intact. Whether you like it, or not, if America goes down, probably everyone is going to go down. Not saying it *should* be like that. But the world is pretty interconnected, anymore.
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June 20, 2018, 04:04:18 PM |
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No country is more vulnerable to cryptocurrencies than the centre of the liberal empire. the US sole existance is founded on the opposition against the nazis that seeked to established a regional banking cartel, with cryptos the us is basically being peaked into its achilles verse. the us kongress can't justify having a banking cartel wich it only could with national socialism, but thats the declared devil of the usa, and so we all will se the collapse of the once big global liberal empire into a tribal society.
as soon as the usa, loses its functional financial system, the us military becomes a poor house, similar like the soviet union's red army become when it lost its currency monopoly and had to switch towards countless national currencies and the russian rubble
it will lose its dominance over the world's oil trade, without the us petrodollar,
china then will have to find new customers for its goods, which it might find easier in europe but also in africa, india and the middle east, although unlike europe the other regions are more bussy developing their country and stabilising it than, consuming goods.
how do you think will the usa transform due to cryptos?
Will bitcoin be evaluated then in chinese yuan, or japanese yen, or euros?
regards
USA must have its own strategy in managing its finances. USA is doing this because of the condition of the country. look at opportunities in the world of crypto, then USA should do it all. the goal is to improve its finances.
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Just a thought - even if you bought Bitcoin at 20k in Venezuela, you're still better off than if you just held Bolivars. When btc was at $20k a btc in Bolivares was 3 billion Bs., now with the btc at $6700 a btc in Bolivares is 17 billion Bs.
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Of course not, that's a weird statement. One small thing like Crytos will turn the United States into a 3rd world country. The crypto market cap is like 500 million, and it's spread all around the world, and the market cap it's not really based on 500 billion, but what the last person paid for the coin. So if somebody paid $2 for a shit coin that sells for .00001 penny, bringing it's marketcap into the billions, it doesn't mean that billions of dollars has gone into said coin.
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