Theymos should remove self moderate option from service announcement ( Altcoins)

[The Cryptovator]

Request to remove self moderate option from Service announcement ( Altcoins)
Today I was reply an ICO that proven scammer. They use fake team from stock image. They are deleted my reply and continue scamming to people.

See below picture:


If topic is self moderated then no one can see the true of behind it. Because they will delete post if some one make sound against them.
I would like request to theymos for remove self moderate option from Service Announcements (Altcoins) . This is an important board for announce ico and every have right to leave true opinion about a project.
So that even scammer post ANN about scam project people will able to leave their reply is find anything wrong about their project. Once new people think to invest he will aware their scam activity. Even self moderate topic not safe max. member not aware about that.

Edit : I am not asking to remove self moderate option from  all over the forum. I just ask to remove it from Service Announcements (Altcoins)  to prevent scammer post. They simply delete negetive reply from their post. So investor will not able to see true behind of ICO. Because all ICO post ANN there.
Example Meta board have no self moderate option

[mdayonliner]

If my memory is serving me right then I guess we already have talked about this before. Anyway self moderate has both advantages and disadvantages. I have a self moderated topic which I find useful not to keep unnecessary comments for my topic. It helps me to keep my topic clean and focused on my main goal.

[Welsh]

You can heed the advice, and open a new thread addressing the issues with the Service. Anyone should be allowed to open self moderated threads. Doesn't mean you can't make another thread calling them out for their shenanigans though.

Removing self moderated threads would just affect the people who are moderating their threads themselves instead of reporting to the moderators. Self moderated threads have a purpose other than malicious uses.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

If my memory is serving me right then I guess we already have talked about this before. Anyway self moderate has both advantages and disadvantages. I have a self moderated topic which I find useful not to keep unnecessary comments for my topic. It helps me to keep my topic clean and focused on my main goal.

Yes, I’m not 100% sure but I would say it’s not the first time I’ve seen a similar proposal.

Anyway, that seems a good idea to me. I hope Theymos listen to this, although as The Pharmacist has said on your other thread:

There have been a lot of really good suggestions about how to decrease spam and to keep ICO projects in line, but they've apparently fallen on deaf ears.  You do realize that scams aren't even moderated here, right?

[The Cryptovator]

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You are right self moderate is better for remove spam from own post. I am not asking this option from all board. Because it's helpful for other board. I suggest it remove for Service Announcements (Altcoins) .

[Welsh]

You are right self moderate is better for remove spam from own post. I am not asking this option from all board. Because it's helpful for other board. I suggest it remove for Service Announcements (Altcoins) .

Yeah, however there's legitimate reasons why a user might want to moderate their own thread there. You've seen how many spam posts that are made in that section as a whole, and I wouldn't blame a user from taking it into their own hands to self moderate rather than reporting to a moderator. Of course, there's going to be some projects which abuse this feature by removing posts which call out the project or speak badly of it, but that's just the compromise that needs to be made.

[The Cryptovator]

You are right self moderate is better for remove spam from own post. I am not asking this option from all board. Because it's helpful for other board. I suggest it remove for Service Announcements (Altcoins) .

Yeah, however there's legitimate reasons why a user might want to moderate their own thread there. You've seen how many spam posts that are made in that section as a whole, and I wouldn't blame a user from taking it into their own hands to self moderate rather than reporting to a moderator. Of course, there's going to be some projects which abuse this feature by removing posts which call out the project or speak badly of it, but that's just the compromise that needs to be made.

We know Meta board have no option for self moderate. There is reason I can't remember right now theymos was described. So Service announcement( Altcoins) also a important board. I believe theymos should consider my suggest. So we can leave our reply there if we find any scam project.

[jarrosha]

i think there shouldnt be a self moderate option, with the self moderate on people can remove comments that say their product is a scam, we want people to be able to comment if there is a scam product immediately that would mean it could save some people from getting scammed before moderators can take care of the post

if something is really that bad a real moderator will remove it, i mean the "Report to moderator" button is there for a reason

[The Sceptical Chymist]

If my memory is serving me right then I guess we already have talked about this before.

Yep, it's been discussed before quite a few times since I've been around.  I don't see any good reason to let anyone self-moderate a thread in that section.  It's not like anyone is going to delete spam from those threads--they encourage those kinds of posts because it keep their thread at the top.  The only thing it could possibly lead to, in my eyes, is suppressing criticism and people calling out the projects as being scams.

I'm not a big fan of self-moderated threads in general, and if there are sections where having them encourages scams, I think that option ought to be eliminated.  I've written my opinion on this before, but it's not up to me and it's not up to you.  Theymos has probably seen topics like this and has done nothing, so I don't think he agrees it's a good idea.

Vod is particularly bad about this as he has created threads about me in the incorrect section and deleted my response, preventing my side from being heard in the thread.

Your side has been heard innumerable times.  People just don't believe you and don't respond to it the way you want them to.

[Quickseller]

You are right self moderate is better for remove spam from own post. I am not asking this option from all board. Because it's helpful for other board. I suggest it remove for Service Announcements (Altcoins) .

Yeah, however there's legitimate reasons why a user might want to moderate their own thread there. You've seen how many spam posts that are made in that section as a whole, and I wouldn't blame a user from taking it into their own hands to self moderate rather than reporting to a moderator. Of course, there's going to be some projects which abuse this feature by removing posts which call out the project or speak badly of it, but that's just the compromise that needs to be made.

We know Meta board have no option for self moderate. There is reason I can't remember right now theymos was described. So Service announcement( Altcoins) also a important board. I believe theymos should consider my suggest. So we can leave our reply there if we find any scam project.

Both Meta and scam accusations do not have the self moderation opinion available. Both of these sections are for threads that are critical of someone other than the OP and the person being criticized needs to have the ability to respond to criticism without the fear of their response being deleted.

Vod is particularly bad about this as he has created threads about me in the incorrect section and deleted my response, preventing my side from being heard in the thread. I would imagine that many others would similarly prevent responses from being heard if meta and scam accusations could have self moderated threads.

[Vod]

Vod is particularly bad about this as he has created threads about me in the incorrect section and deleted my response, preventing my side from being heard in the thread. I would imagine that many others would similarly prevent responses from being heard if meta and scam accusations could have self moderated threads.

Look at your trust, narcissist.  I have never deleted your posts.  

If you want me to stop harassing you about being a liar, then stop lying.

You recently lied about returning 20 stolen bitcoins  Why?

[Quickseller]

I have never deleted your posts.   

Just so we are entirely clear, your stance is that you have never deleted any of my posts in a self moderated thread you were self moderating? Is that correct?

[The Cryptovator]

I never seen any response from admin or medareror. Service Announcement (Altcoins)  board also not less important from meta. Because it's question of forum reputation and money of investor. If ICO team delete all bad comment them no one can know that this is scam project. I think self moderate remove from Service announcement ( Altcoins) ASAP.

[hugeblack]

You must do your research before start investing "that includes Google search, Scam Accusations, and Reputation." I don't think "this is a pure scam" reply prevents scam.
Also, he/she can create a topic "self-moderated" in another section and move it to this section "If self-moderate topics prevented."
Red trust is the best solution for such projects
Regarding your problem, suggest the following:
Option in Look and Layout Preferences, Show deleted replies in self-moderate topics. ----> click to activate.

[Joel_Jantsen]

I never seen any response from admin or medareror. Service Announcement (Altcoins)  board also not less important from meta. Because it's question of forum reputation and money of investor. If ICO team delete all bad comment them no one can know that this is scam project. I think self moderate remove from Service announcement ( Altcoins) ASAP.

1. Please stop creating threads about the topics which have been discussed a number of times already.
2. This warning message is self -explanatory

Warning: Moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor.

Sums up everything. If you aren't smart enough to figure out if a project is scam, you shouldn't be investing in the first place. The only people falling for such shit-coin scams are the one  wishing to get rich in two days. It's investors duty to search deeply about the projects before blindly sending them money. No action from forum staff is required.

[1miau]

I've brought up a similar suggestion a few weeks ago, combining self-moderation and trust rating. My idea was only to disable self-moderation if someone has a very bad trust-score. For honest forum members this would save the function of self-moderation to minimize work of moderators cleaning up spam-posts if it's only disabled to scammers confirmed by DT members:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4434246.0

The discussion below resulted in staying at red trust only and left the self-moderation for everyone. I agree red trust is a good sign to identify a scammer, but I'm still positive about a suggestion of limiting self-moderation if there is an obvious abuse and by referring to the trust rating this could be done very easily: a scam ICO is reported and verified in "scam accusations". Some DT members tag the scammer and he loses his rights to self-moderate his ANN.

Sums up everything. If you aren't smart enough to figure out if a project is scam, you shouldn't be investing in the first place. The only people falling for such shit-coin scams are the one  wishing to get rich in two days. It's investors duty to search deeply about the projects before blindly sending them money. No action from forum staff is required.

Sometimes I think it's possible to prevent others from scams, but if I see some of them throwing their money everywhere without research I really doubt we can do anything...

[FinalFury]

If my memory is serving me right then I guess we already have talked about this before. Anyway self moderate has both advantages and disadvantages. I have a self moderated topic which I find useful not to keep unnecessary comments for my topic. It helps me to keep my topic clean and focused on my main goal.

In one of the topic that I follow this is exactly what they do. They delete "Great coin" types of posts and other low quality kind of posts.

[The Cryptovator]

Recently it's very important to remove self moderate form Service announcement ( Alt coins ) . Because scammer are using this opportunity to remove true review about their ICO. I can't see any respons from admin or moderator. Can I know why it's not possible ?  As a part of member of this forum we can't suggest ? This matter should not underestimate.

[Welsh]

Can I know why it's not possible ?  As a part of member of this forum we can't suggest ? This matter should not underestimate.

Like I've said previously. Self moderating a thread in that section may have it's benefits such as removing spam themselves instead of waiting in the queue for a moderator to deal with it. Yeah, users do misuse it, but that doesn't take away from the fact that there's legitimate reasons to use it. You can suggest anything you want, but that doesn't mean the moderators are going to respond. Plus, it's really only theymos who decides what is and isn't implemented.

Just because it's not enabled in certain other sections doesn't mean that the Service Announcements should follow suit. Personally, if I were a thread owner in the Service Announcement section I would want to self moderate to prevent all the spam comments that these type of threads are subject too.

[The Cryptovator]

Can I know why it's not possible ?  As a part of member of this forum we can't suggest ? This matter should not underestimate.

Like I've said previously. Self moderating a thread in that section may have it's benefits such as removing spam themselves instead of waiting in the queue for a moderator to deal with it. Yeah, users do misuse it, but that doesn't take away from the fact that there's legitimate reasons to use it. You can suggest anything you want, but that doesn't mean the moderators are going to respond. Plus, it's really only theymos who decides what is and isn't implemented.

Just because it's not enabled in certain other sections doesn't mean that the Service Announcements should follow suit. Personally, if I were a thread owner in the Service Announcement section I would want to self moderate to prevent all the spam comments that these type of threads are subject too.

You are right. It's help to remove spam. If you or  any well known managers open thread with self moderate then welcome. I have no complain about that. But once you visit that section I think you will not find 5% thread self moderated by any well known managers. Most of self moderate thread created by ICO team with their own account. That's the problem.