The Reality of this forum

[lukeburchill]

As long as you're not doing what they do and you're not adding garbage in the forum then you're free from guilt likewise some part of nationalism is getting hurt here.

There are no words of "nationalism" or feel ashamed for such bastards (Spammer)

It's actually worse than that. There's no repercussions for doing a shitty job here. Even if they took some job doing menial work in their own country like cleaning toilets or packing products into boxes, they'd be fired pretty quickly if they showed up to work whenever they wanted and did the worst job imaginable and cut every corner they could possibly do and that's essentially what happens here.

I really know their true situation, the fact that they aren't poor but greedy. Poor people in my country rarely can operate the Internet let alone know about this forum. This is a fact on the ground, poor people who you think like toilet cleaners, working in factories don't do things like this.

The questions now who did that?

In Indonesia, there is the term "Cukong" = rich people have a lot of money to buy a number of accounts and take actions that aren't commendable. that's where I call it greedy. Poor people in my country aren't as bad as you think. instead the poor in my country are more authoritative but greedy rich people who leave a disability.

This is called the poor in Indonesia




This is called Cukong

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[darklus123]

I agree with you that very often signature campaigns are the reason for shitposting, because people just want to fulfill bounty quotas. But at the same time, signature campaigns can be a motivation to write better and more qualified posts. The problem is not in the existence of signature campaigns, as such, but in the fact that they put forward different demands on their participants.

There are campaigns that take everyone in a row, but there are those which set a high bar. And if the participant doesn`t reach it (not enough merits, bad history of posts, etc.), then he doesn`t get into the spreadsheet. Perhaps, instead of eliminating the very phenomenon of signature campaigns (which will have a bad effect on the website's traffic), it is necessary to establish certain rules for recruiting participants. If the bounty breaks them and reduces the set bar, then the admins will close it.

Maybe before, the signature campaign was really one of the biggest reason why most of the users are spamming. Yet look at how the signature campaigns right now. The current standards of most of the signature campaign that can be found on the services section(except for the ICO's or in the alt coins are still on this problem) is really high.

You are actually been seeing the rules quite some time for some of the known campaign managers in this forum. That issue should really be addressed into most of the signature campaign that can be found on the alt coin threads.

The other big issue for me right now is the bounty hunting aside from most of it are just scam it has also been dragging the forum standards down.

[Direwolve735]

In order for this theory to work, it is necessary to create and consolidate topics for beginners about the initial mission of this forum, about how the crypto-currencies changed the lives of the bitcointalk participants, how to write quality comments, where to look for crypto information resources, etc. When people are interested in some field of activity, they are improving. We can help beginners and together make the forum better.

The point is, you can only teach the people who come for learning, not the ones who are not even interested in it.

I agree that you can teach only those who are interested. Therefore, in my post I suggested starting with interest, not with crypto learning and trainings. We know that many people come here to earn money. We also know that many of them don`t want to study, because they are not interested. Therefore, it is necessary to ask the question: why are they not interested? It would seem that crypto-currencies and blockchain are a global breakthrough, which we have the opportunity not only to observe and evaluate, but also to take direct part in it.

I believe that people are not interested because they don`t understand. Remember the children in the school who did anything except study? They weren`t interested in what the teacher was saying, because they didn`t understand him. But when the material was explained to the child with the right approach, he began to show interest. The same thing happens on the forum. Coryphaeuses of the forum, true crypto-enthusiasts should feel like teachers and interest newcomers. Then the latter will have a desire to learn and they will do it right, because there will be mentors who will guide them.

[LoyceV]

~snip very good and very true explanation~

Can I vote hilarious for president Admin? For many months now, I can taste your frustration about what is happening to this forum, and the frustration that even as a Global Mod, you can't do much about it.
You seem to have the time, dedication and attitude to make this forum better.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

~snip very good and very true explanation~

Can I vote hilarious for president Admin? For many months now, I can taste your frustration about what is happening to this forum, and the frustration that even as a Global Mod, you can't do much about it.
You seem to have the time, dedication and attitude to make this forum better.

I back you on that call Loyce. hilarious, like yourself is a credit to the forums & I enjoy what he’s all about. Have conversed with him over a number of years & always found him strict but fair. Likeable dude too, if only he didn’t keep doing so well in our Premier League betting pool so far this season.

[NavI_027]

The merit system helps but most of these "legendary" and "hero" spammers got there by shitting out one liners the past few years.

Correction, until now dude . Sad to say but many poor high-ranked members can still be able to continue their bad posting habits without getting noticed because of two reasons: 1: others feel hesitated everytime they want to advise an oldie. 2. the eye of this forum was too focused on the mistakes of newbie shitposters. To sum up, it seems that they got exempted from the negative criticisms coming from the others .

The obvious solution is to remove signature campaigns all together.   This will undoubtedly get rid of the people who are here for the wrong reasons.  But Theymos and mods know this will absolutely kill the traffic to this website and ad revenue would absolutely plummet.

Then you should be the one to make the first move, you are now free to remove the signature you advertise. Hmm, I bet you can't. Your word is a two-edged sword my friend.

Why do you want signature campaigns to get removed if these contribute to the collected revenue of our forum? And besides, you can join campaigs while not harming the forum at the same time, right? My point is, the real problem here are the ones who came here for wrong reasons (as what you've said) and not the campaign itself. Those kind of users are the main responsible for all of this mess .

Ps: No offense sir. Peace

I'd like to make a couple of suggestions with regard to posting permissions. I believe that it would be worthwhile to restrict thread starting in the serious discussion board to members and above. In fact it may be worth reviewing the permissions for thread starting.

Hope this request will be granted. It would be great to join a discussion with real members rather than spammers that would only shit post.

50 merit requirement could be a great ceiling for a member rank. Just an opinion.

Not a bad idea coming from sir Jet Cash. I'll will also agree with this one. Recently, I noticed that most of the repetitive or even nonsense threads came from jr. Members and newbies and I have a good feeling that disallowing them to do so will cause great spam reduction .

[Direwolve735]

When people are poor and live in terrible conditions, they take any job that brings them money, even if they don`t understand it. They are forced to do this and this behavior can be understood. The situation is the same with shitposting. Many folks have heard that this forum allows you to earn money through signature campaigns. And since many bounties don`t make the right demands, many newcomers who don`t understand the subject are gladly accepted for such work.

It's actually worse than that. There's no repercussions for doing a shitty job here. Even if they took some job doing menial work in their own country like cleaning toilets or packing products into boxes, they'd be fired pretty quickly if they showed up to work whenever they wanted and did the worst job imaginable and cut every corner they could possibly do and that's essentially what happens here. People are unqualified for the 'work' or tasks that they're doing. I wouldn't be able to work in a factory or office in Indonesia because I can't speak Indonesian, so I'd be useless. The same applies here but obviously they're not going to be fired because ICOs are happy to have them on board promoting their crap which only ruins the forum in the process and puts money directly into both their pockets so they all have a financial incentive to keep doing it.

And I know exactly why they do it. I totally understand and don't even begrudge them for it, especially those that live in poverty and I accept that poverty can make people do desperate or even unscrupulous things, but there's also a lot of greed going on here. I think it's a beautiful thing if this forum makes a huge difference to people's lives (as it has mine) but people can't be earning here at the expense of the utter deterioration and degradation of the forum. If I was in their position then I'd likely be doing the same, but it's more of an issue with the administration and rules (or lack thereof) as we not only let them get away with it but have created a culture where it's acceptable to do so and there's mostly no punishments for abusers and rule breakers. You can come here, bot or farm as many accounts as you want and earn from them by either writing drivel or copy and pasting and we allow campaigns to pay for it with zero repercussions. At this point we might as well rename or rebrand the forum to icospamtalk.org or getpaidtopost.org because that's what this board has become. I'm all about making it better for everyone here and it can happen without it being restrictive to those who just want to post. If you want to be able to earn here via posting then you should earn that right through merit and ranks (or cough up for Copper/Silver/Gold member etc). If people who can't speak English very well want to earn here then they should either stick to their local board or just collecting bounties. It wouldn't be ok for me to go posting in the Spanish board when I can't speak Spanish to an acceptable standard and people there would rightly get annoyed if I was being nuisance and shitting up the place because it is both incredibly disruptive and annoying. Also, ICO campaigns and those that spam on them need to face punishments because otherwise nothing will change and as long as Juniors can get paid for copy and pasting or writing drivel then they will continue to do so and over god knows how many accounts.  It's not that difficult to find a compromise here that benefits everyone, but doing nothing as we usually do isn't going to help.

I completely agree with you that the problem of proficiency in English at the proper level goes in parallel with the problem of superficial knowledge of crypto-currencies. And if the Honored bitcointalk participants may interest newcomers to understand the crypto-currency sphere, then it is more difficult to encourage learning a language. Forum participants, who don`t know English, should read and write in local branches. After reading and being active in local boards, they will gradually be able to read English-language branches (of course, if they set a goal and take English lessons as well). Such participants can be helped by "members" of local branches who speak to them in mother tongue and who can explain the features of the bitcointalk forum. I believe that bitcointalk should become a field for supporting people from all over the world. I am sure that crypto-currencies are our common future. Therefore, the interests of the forum participants include helping each other.

[hilariousetc]

~snip very good and very true explanation~

Can I vote hilarious for president Admin? For many months now, I can taste your frustration about what is happening to this forum, and the frustration that even as a Global Mod, you can't do much about it.
You seem to have the time, dedication and attitude to make this forum better.

I back you on that call Loyce. hilarious, like yourself is a credit to the forums & I enjoy what he’s all about. Have conversed with him over a number of years & always found him strict but fair. Likeable dude too, if only he didn’t keep doing so well in our Premier League betting pool so far this season.

Thanks for your support, but there's only one guy that needs convincing of that. Doesn't even need to be me either as I'm sure there's other staff that can help out greatly here. Rickbig is probably just as active as I am and is probably handling more reports than I do these days. It's not just me who is getting frustrated though. There are lots of other mods and users (who some also probably deserve to be mods by now) that are clearly frustrated about the lack of action happening and could also be helping out in various ways here. I think if theymos doesn't trust anyone to be an admin then he should ask or even beg BadBear to come back if there's nobody else suitable because work just isn't getting done that needs to be right now.

I'd like to make a couple of suggestions with regard to posting permissions. I believe that it would be worthwhile to restrict thread starting in the serious discussion board to members and above. In fact it may be worth reviewing the permissions for thread starting.

Hope this request will be granted. It would be great to join a discussion with real members rather than spammers that would only shit post.

50 merit requirement could be a great ceiling for a member rank. Just an opinion.

Not a bad idea coming from sir Jet Cash. I'll will also agree with this one. Recently, I noticed that most of the repetitive or even nonsense threads came from jr. Members and newbies and I have a good feeling that disallowing them to do so will cause great spam reduction .

I think maybe we could keep Serious Discussion as it is, but maybe make the merit requirement to post in the Ivory Tower much higher. I suggested a board for high merited users previously here and this would have the same effect. Theymos did even put the idea of sub boards for high merited users in the 'maybe' catagory so I have hope they could one day be implemented.

[coinnumber]

The reality of this forum

There has been a lot of controversy these past few months regarding the spammers that flock to this forum in order to obtain money.   The merit system helps but most of these "legendary" and "hero" spammers got there by shitting out one liners the past few years.

The obvious solution is to remove signature campaigns all together.   This will undoubtedly get rid of the people who are here for the wrong reasons.  But Theymos and mods know this will absolutely kill the traffic to this website and ad revenue would absolutely plummet.

A lot of the boards don't even have real discussion. I guarantee a lot of these guys just skip to the last page, post something that is somewhat relevant to the topic and dip to the next thread to fulfill there bounty quotas.

The best boards in my opinion are the mining sections.  Great insight, no spammers, no trolls, barely any paid sigs in the mining boards.

The reality is this place is excellent money for those living in poorer countries.  Why work 12 hours a day making iphones in a factory when they can get $500 a week posting from their 10 alt accounts.

Well the idea of spamming from the high rank members is really disgusting and serve not as a good example to newbies or the beginners. The reality is that most of us are here to raise funds but the bad aspect of it is that many people don't even care to know what the product the are dealing with is all about  which is very bad. And the idea of stopping signature campaign on this forum as you have already stated above will have a negative impact on the number of people visiting here and the beginners will have no much information here to access.

[tranthidung]

One of the most interesting fact of the BTT forum is there are thousands of Spambies turned back to Newbies as effects of new rank requirements.
Newbies and Spambies by now highly correlated each other.
I am not the one, who invented the term - Spambies - but I love this term, which immediately provide quick assessment on quality of forum users.
Newbies who have hundred threads published in total will be truly Spambies. It makes lot of sense because only trash threads can not get merits, especially no merit point with hundred or thousand threads
Spambies will be stucked at Newbies if they will keep spamming the forum and can not get at least one merited thread.

[darklus123]

One of the most interesting fact of the BTT forum is there are thousands of Spambies turned back to Newbies as effects of new rank requirements.
Newbies and Spambies by now highly correlated each other.
I am not the one, who invented the term - Spambies - but I love this term, which immediately provide quick assessment on quality of forum users.
Newbies who have hundred threads published in total will be truly Spambies. It makes lot of sense because only trash threads can not get merits, especially no merit point with hundred or thousand threads
Spambies will be stucked at Newbies if they will keep spamming the forum and can not get at least one merited thread.

That is the whole point of the current merit system and we obviously are seeing that effect.

The stuck fever is not just happening to what you called "spambies" but to other high member spammers as well.

The only problem that we have to deal right now is the abuse in which spambies who have connection and budget can really go up because they can easily talk about sending each others merit

[tranthidung]

We all need such massively positive effect.

That is the whole point of the current merit system and we obviously are seeing that effect.

This is one of main reasons why I have a idea that someday, @Theymos should implement new rank requirement which focus on the automatically raised required merits for each rank chronologically.
What I meant is, over a schedule timeframe, for instance 6 months, users at each rank have to satisfy their required merits (new required ones) in order to keep staying at their current ranks. If not, they will be automatically demoted.
To be more clarified, if someone is a Full Member for now, and fortunately stood at the rank with 100 automatically airdroped merits because they was Full Member before the beginning day of the system. Then, what will happen if those guys have perfect opportunities to stay at Full Member rank forever?
It is truly un-fair, right? If someone can not earn even 1 or 10 merit over six months, it makes a lot of sense. And, those ones should be demoted somehow, in my stance.
As you wondered, Spambies are not only Newbies, old Junior Members, but also included some higher-ranked users.

The stuck fever is not just happening to what you called "spambies" but to other high member spammers as well.

The only problem that we have to deal right now is the abuse in which spambies who have connection and budget can really go up because they can easily talk about sending each others merit

[darklus123]

We all need such massively positive effect.


This is one of main reasons why I have a idea that someday, @Theymos should implement new rank requirement which focus on the automatically raised required merits for each rank chronologically.
What I meant is, over a schedule timeframe, for instance 6 months, users at each rank have to satisfy their required merits (new required ones) in order to keep staying at their current ranks. If not, they will be automatically demoted.
To be more clarified, if someone is a Full Member for now, and fortunately stood at the rank with 100 automatically airdroped merits because they was Full Member before the beginning day of the system. Then, what will happen if those guys have perfect opportunities to stay at Full Member rank forever?
It is truly un-fair, right? If someone can not earn even 1 or 10 merit over six months, it makes a lot of sense. And, those ones should be demoted somehow, in my stance.
As you wondered, Spambies are not only Newbies, old Junior Members, but also included some higher-ranked users.

You have to understand as well that not all poster here has a high standard. That is the reason why demoting somebody is not allowable and not fair as well in my opinion.

This forum consists  a lot of different type of posters
Highest standards quality posters.
Above average standard quality posters.
Average standard quality posters.
Below standard
Spammers.

Now most of the average standards and below standard posters doesn't get merits for some reason that includes(posting into wrong threads,wrong timing in which their good posts were not recognized)




You have a lot of holes for your idea. Another disadvantage is that there are some users here who are actually just providing their services and will only reply to those and take note that most of them are not getting merits as they are not that active. Therefore no watter what will you do for me theymos will also has the same reasoning for that and will not consider demoting certain users.

[wedosgibas]

Hope this request will be granted. It would be great to join a discussion with real members rather than spammers that would only shit post.
50 merit requirement could be a great ceiling for a member rank. Just an opinion.

I suggest to lift up current merit requirements of lower ranks, 10 merits for Junior member and 25 merits for member.
Full member and above ranks remains current merit requirements.
This new lift-up merit requirements for Junior and Member rank will reduce spamming endemic, which has not stopped yet after the launch day of merit system.

Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum. When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc. Having a permanent newbie jail policy would improve things a lot in the short-term, but would end up being a fatal poison to the community.

I think, you just think about winning yourself, yes, you have got a pretty big rank here. And you will think of helping to try to remove spammer, who is dominated by small rank, Newbie. And I read a lot of posts and comments, since the new rules (Jr Members need 1 merit) newbie rank is getting oppressed here.
Let's see, why is Newbie so hated this end → being considered a spammer → why is there a spammer? - because there is a prize for that (wherever there is a spammer, there must be income for him).

Why only see a Newbie account as a spammer? Surely you think, it's easy enough, just create an account (without the need for quality contributions), follow the campaign, and get a prize.
And I, Newbie account owner think otherwise, why don't you see a spammer at a higher rank, and bully him too? Don't you think, a high rank account with a lot of merit will not produce multi-account users or spam workers to join the prize campaign?
In fact it is higher than the income of a Newbie account spammer. Just imagine.

If there are still gift systems that rely on high rank accounts as a requirement and a high number of prizes, such as the Signature Campaign. Believe me, spammers and multi-account cheating will still be there. Think about this, this is the task of forum developers.

And introduce me to beginners, first I join this forum, just look at the point of view of Bounty. Yes, it's very natural to be interested in earning income rather than other topics, but I don't immediately understand how to join a bounty campaign, so I search and read a number of related posts on how to follow the Bounty and over time to increase knowledge, I am also interested in reading other topics. Well here are the main uses of the forum.
And the purpose of speaking as above, I want to voice the opinion of a Newbie, that we are also like you first, but we join at different times, forum is advanced, and many rivals to make quality posts and help, and even quality posts are not guaranteed to get merit . Merit is good for sharing.
Our enemy is now a spammer, because we feel oppressed here because of that.
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Don't want to be rude but almost everyone from the creation of forum talks the same shit about this forum, brain is just....
Yeah people spam here but don't read shit topics if that makes you anxious and why to read something unvaluable? Also did you ask question and not get answer? Has that ever happened? I bet noo... Community is amazing here, I know some people who helped me a lot, really a lot. Just ignore spammers and keep using forum...

Believe me, your statement does not help, and will make things worse if done. Just imagine, like in a school class, you can get knowledge, values, awards from within. As you say, who will let cheaters, cheaters get good grades or praise from the teacher? That will produce something worse in the future.

[hilariousetc]

Why only see a Newbie account as a spammer?

We don't and I'm not sure why you would think we are just picking on Newbies. You now merely need one merit to become a Junior Member. You need ONE HUNDRED to become a Full Member, and ONE THOUSAND to become a Legendary. Why are you not complaining about us attacking them? The problem is people are coming here in droves to farm thousands of accounts just by spamming and we need to stop that and the best way to do that is to make sure they're making quality posts and once rewarded for them via merit they get to move up ranks. If they spam or make low quality contributions then they will forever remain a low rank as they should.

[chokomenia]

You really made a good point, but like they said change is constant, some of the hero members in this forum has been here when their nothing like bounty, they join the forum because they love bitcoin and want to be part of the community,

Since the inception of ICO's and bounty most people that join the forum do so because of the bounty and i won't deny i am one of such, bounty attracted me to the forum in the first place and it is the same with majority here.

So I think what is implement on the system is right and those hero members deserve their spot because they are true supporters 

[wedosgibas]

Why only see a Newbie account as a spammer?

We don't and I'm not sure why you would think we are just picking on Newbies. You now merely need one merit to become a Junior Member. You need ONE HUNDRED to become a Full Member, and ONE THOUSAND to become a Legendary. Why are you not complaining about us attacking them? The problem is people are coming here in droves to farm thousands of accounts just by spamming and we need to stop that and the best way to do that is to make sure they're making quality posts and once rewarded for them via merit they get to move up ranks. If they spam or make low quality contributions then they will forever remain a low rank as they should.

Then what would you or forum developer do to overcome them, spammer or multiple accounts that already have a high rank, the large amount of merit can divide into other cloning accounts only to join Signature Campaign. Then whether the post with high quality still applies to them, I don't think so. Similar to the government system, high ranking officials will be more flexible even though what they do is wrong, and the people will get punishment even though they are innocent.

[YOSHIE]

The reality of this forum
The reality is this place is excellent money for those living in poorer countries.  Why work 12 hours a day making iphones in a factory when they can get $500 a week posting from their 10 alt accounts.

Forum Reality, ideally creates a new paradigm and concept and even new policies on rules to produce good Bitcointalk Members at the Bitcointalk Forum. This means that people no longer think backward, generally think ahead, the Forum is an object of knowledge / information, but not the subject of a place to make money.
<> Along with the development of information technology, dedicated, and oriented to the progress of the Forum, all will show one of them in the quality and sustainability of the results of the Forum Rules that have been implemented. Hopefully?

<> Plus, there are no two identical or identical brains. If there is no exact same brain, doesn't that mean there is no processed information about the Reality Forum, which is the same between one human being and another?

<> Even so, I also don't like it if the problem of differences in perspective or definition of reality is actually used as justification in the name of ego and laziness, not working in the real world.?

[vphasitha01]

Why only see a Newbie account as a spammer?

We don't and I'm not sure why you would think we are just picking on Newbies. You now merely need one merit to become a Junior Member. You need ONE HUNDRED to become a Full Member, and ONE THOUSAND to become a Legendary. Why are you not complaining about us attacking them? The problem is people are coming here in droves to farm thousands of accounts just by spamming and we need to stop that and the best way to do that is to make sure they're making quality posts and once rewarded for them via merit they get to move up ranks. If they spam or make low quality contributions then they will forever remain a low rank as they should.

Then what would you or forum developer do to overcome them, spammer or multiple accounts that already have a high rank, the large amount of merit can divide into other cloning accounts only to join Signature Campaign.

I think you are talking about the members who received a lot of merits in the introduction of the merit system. Merit is not moderated by the forum but DT members will red tagged if any member found guilty for merit abuse scenarios regardless of their rank. So it's not about the rank mate. The truth is they can't trade their merits for their alts forever. They will eventually dried up their initial airdropped merits. Most of the good bounty managers now put earned merit requirements for joining signature campaigns and also they will manually overlook the profile of the candidate whether merit abuse scenario happened before approval. Even most of the managers will not accept the members having red tagged (specially for merit abusers) for their signature campaigns. As a whole admin/mods/DT members were taken the necessary actions to overcome the spam and merit trading problems but sometimes even they can't stop these problems 100%. They all are humans too and spammers will found new ways every day to beat the system. So what we can do is report every time when you found out merit abuse scenarios to DT members which having solid evidence.

Then whether the post with high quality still applies to them, I don't think so. Similar to the government system, high ranking officials will be more flexible even though what they do is wrong, and the people will get punishment even though they are innocent.

Giving away your sMerits for quality stuff is up to every individual member. If we all do their part there will be no complaining about the way merits distributed. Punishment for breaking a rule is always there whether higher rank or lower rank. There is no flexibility when it comes to the violation of rules and also we all should remember if you are not knowing the law is not an excuse when you found guilty for breaking a forum rule. I have seen that most of the members who break the law were saying that they are innocent in the first place and then saying we don't know the rule so give me a second chance.

BTW can you point out an example where officials became more flexible for a higher rank member found guilty for violation of forum rule?

[Direwolve735]

why don't you see a spammer at a higher rank, and bully him too? Don't you think, a high rank account with a lot of merit will not produce multi-account users or spam workers to join the prize campaign? In fact it is higher than the income of a Newbie account spammer.

You mix two different problems with each other: spamming and account farming. Spam, which by the way is most often manifested in the terrible quality of posts, and not in their huge number, comes mainly from the newbie rank participants. Spammers are those who don`t understand the subject at the proper level, so they write silly, useless comments, just to fulfill bounty quota. Therefore, no one says that only newbies are spammers, or that all newbies are necessarily spammers. Members of higher ranks may also suffer from this disease. But most often spam comes from newbies, as they aren`t familiar enough with the rules of the forum, and throw their strength to get easy money from signature campaigns.

Account farms, in turn, can be created by anyone, regardless of rank. The fact that a person has alternative accounts and with their help participates in bounty campaigns doesn`t mean that he`s a spammer, since he can write high-quality and constructive posts from all his accounts. Another issue is that these people also violate forum rules, but they do it in a different way than spammers. The apogee of these two problems are members of the forum, which combine the features of spammers and account farmers. They become the main reason for widespread violation of the rules, and cause a huge wave of dissatisfaction and irritation of forum participants seeking to follow the original goals of this site.