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December 09, 2016, 02:48:58 PM
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Reading the main post, I realized that here in my country many financial institutions are now implementing the same procedures. Even small pawnshops here have their own Know Your Pawner which is the same as KYC. I think this really has something to do with money laundering issues especially connected with drugs and terrorism, among many other factors.
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December 16, 2016, 08:56:26 PM
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 What a contentious issue everyone!  And glad that there are so many interested bodies in learning more about protecting one's privacy and freedom of choice. 

   As mentioned by many other folks, the larger issue at hand is the freedom of choice to do what one wants with their employment earnings.  You can invest in almost anything in today's day and age, and try and earn a profit on it, including Tickle Me Elmo's Dolls, Barbie Dolls, and even Postage Stamps, Hockey Cards, or whatever you want.  The main idea is that you get to choose what you want to buy and collect without having people breathing down your neck about your own particular purchasing styles.

The problem with Crypto is that it got a bad rep early on by people who abused the system, but this also happens in the regular commercial banking industry, where big banks are continuously being caught in white-collar crime and fraud activities, so the issue is really a moot point.
 

Have you heard about Alcurex exchange? 

It is no AML/KYC and links to Poloniex, Bittrex, and offers high liquidity trading for US residents, and people all over the world. 

alcurex works for me

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December 17, 2016, 09:59:12 AM
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What a contentious issue everyone!  And glad that there are so many interested bodies in learning more about protecting one's privacy and freedom of choice. 

   As mentioned by many other folks, the larger issue at hand is the freedom of choice to do what one wants with their employment earnings.  You can invest in almost anything in today's day and age, and try and earn a profit on it, including Tickle Me Elmo's Dolls, Barbie Dolls, and even Postage Stamps, Hockey Cards, or whatever you want.  The main idea is that you get to choose what you want to buy and collect without having people breathing down your neck about your own particular purchasing styles.

The problem with Crypto is that it got a bad rep early on by people who abused the system, but this also happens in the regular commercial banking industry, where big banks are continuously being caught in white-collar crime and fraud activities, so the issue is really a moot point.
 

Have you heard about Alcurex exchange? 

It is no AML/KYC and links to Poloniex, Bittrex, and offers high liquidity trading for US residents, and people all over the world. 

alcurex works for me



The system is made so that it can be abused but only  by some people not all.
Usually when banks or such institutions are found to be guilty of something they find scapegoats to sacrifice.
The master minds are always safe. Is like in politics when some minister is found guilty of something
they resign or is "replaced" but usually after some time they end up on another function (position) again.

I do not think that any AML/KYC can save us from anything its just another form of control of the masses so that the "elite" can
stay safe in position of power.

Regarding the exchange I never heard of it.
It don't see there any option (information) how to deposit USD or EUR therefore they don't ask for any AML/KYC data if
a customer does not use any FIAT currency.

In their terms this this is clearly written that they could ask  AML/KYC data if USD or EUR is used by the customer.



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December 23, 2016, 05:30:26 PM
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this is great info for btc buyers and sellers! this helped me alot!
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January 07, 2017, 11:36:55 AM
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I  don't get it, so If I use a service that has AML, and I use it to transfert BTC into EUR.
My government get the infos ?

For exemple : If with mining I get like 5000$/year, does I will be asked to pay tax because the trading service will have send the infos to my country government ?
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January 10, 2017, 09:19:05 AM
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January 14, 2017, 07:49:42 PM
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I  don't get it, so If I use a service that has AML, and I use it to transfert BTC into EUR.
My government get the infos ?

For exemple : If with mining I get like 5000$/year, does I will be asked to pay tax because the trading service will have send the infos to my country government ?

They could get the info.
Depends on the tax law and other laws that you have in your country.
I doubt that they send info automatically for every transaction that people make.
Usually banks and other financial institution have software that tracks the incoming and outgoing transactions of the account.
So if the software detects a strange transaction pattern on the account than this account could get reported to
tax or other state authorities.

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January 20, 2017, 03:00:07 AM
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Can someone be imprison in making Laundering Fiat money and converting it to cryptocurrencies .What if your country is not in the lists of this AML/KYC the one who will commit it will not be punishable by law?

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January 21, 2017, 04:35:55 PM
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Can someone be imprison in making Laundering Fiat money and converting it to cryptocurrencies .What if your country is not in the lists of this AML/KYC the one who will commit it will not be punishable by law?

Of course it can be and again it depends on the law in that country.
If there is not any law that regulates the issue than it won't be because in this case this won't be a crime.

For example take look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_bitcoin_by_country

In some countries is forbidden to even use crypto currencies while in others is legal or not restricted.
Also person could be punished to do money laundering or being a "financial mule" by using his own bank account(s)
to transfer money  to 3rd parties.




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February 19, 2017, 02:10:44 PM
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Regarding the list of stricter KYC compliance, you can add www.Quebex.com. (Canadian p2p Bitcoin exchange)


https://www.Quebex.com Candian Bitcoin Exchange
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March 09, 2017, 06:15:50 PM
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is there any web provide all security tools for any bitcoin exchange business website ? eg.

1 - id verification manual and api
2 - sms verification
3 - 2 factor auth

i know there many websites like jumio charge per check. i am looking for cheapest solution under 1 roof or are there free sources available ?

please guide


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April 04, 2017, 09:30:47 AM
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Thanks for this explanation. Helpful stuff.

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April 13, 2017, 12:03:54 AM
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AML is a Anti-Money Laundering it is use by the bank or other financing institution to know if it is the cash/BTC where from the legal/illegal job.
KYC is Know Your Client it is use to verify the identity of your client.

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April 20, 2017, 11:17:21 AM
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Just yesterday a French startup was punished (80K€) by ACPR to not identify 34 customers for the use of bitcoin exchange services.  Roll Eyes
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May 13, 2017, 07:42:43 AM
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There is a very serious risk associated with trading on exchanges.

If an exchange suddenly updates its KYC rules, and you can no longer meet those requirements (for whatever reason), then your funds will be permanently seized.

Good luck to any foreigners trying to get BTC out of Bitflyer in Japan.

My BTC on Bitflyer has been seized for over a month, with seemingly no way to withdraw it in any form, and no explanation from Bitflyer (they haven't answered my last 5 messages).

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May 14, 2017, 09:40:37 PM
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is there any web provide all security tools for any bitcoin exchange business website ? eg.

1 - id verification manual and api
2 - sms verification
3 - 2 factor auth

i know there many websites like jumio charge per check. i am looking for cheapest solution under 1 roof or are there free sources available ?

please guide




Dont even look for this kind of service. KYC is common procedure for all online business related services.I faced with this rules when i opened my first  gambling account. Sometimes they ask for selfie with your id. For example Cex.io exchange has really disturbing KYC rules for new customers. They ask for tons of documents and selfie with your documents which in front of monitor have to be cover of this exchange Cheesy That's really "more" compared to other exchanges.

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May 23, 2017, 01:35:08 PM
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Can someone be imprison in making Laundering Fiat money and converting it to cryptocurrencies .What if your country is not in the lists of this AML/KYC the one who will commit it will not be punishable by law?

If you are a big enough fish, they can find you. I would venture to say if you are doing those type of transactions, on a regular basis and catch their attention they will go to great lengths to find and lock your funds up. The US treasury can lean on any country in any way they deem appropriate. KYC/AML is a big deal. Dont fuck with them.

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June 21, 2017, 08:07:37 PM
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The guide is very an easyt-to-understand one. I saw KYC and AML terms in white papers and then I made google search about them. But the results were not simple. Your explanation is nicely done thank you.
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July 14, 2017, 08:23:50 PM
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Reading the main post, I realized that here in my country many financial institutions are now implementing the same procedures. Even small pawnshops here have their own Know Your Pawner which is the same as KYC. I think this really has something to do with money laundering issues especially connected with drugs and terrorism, among many other factors.

That's the argument the government uses, don't fall for it. It's actually all about control. In the USA the Department of Justice created the modern asset forfeiture in the 80s with the intent to actually get large drug lords. This has turned into a nightmare of even local police able to confiscate nearly anything they want and force the citizens to have to fight to get their own property back - at their expense! It's so bad that the head of the department that created asset forfeiture as we know it, and his successor, have spent years trying to stop the practice.   I view the KYC rules in the same light... far overreaching rules that hinder the rights of the average citizen.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/abolish-the-civil-asset-forfeiture-program-we-helped-create/2014/09/18/72f089ac-3d02-11e4-b0ea-8141703bbf6f_story.html

Also even our own government didn't use KYC when they were giving suitcases of money - 12 billion USD - to who knows who in various hotspots around the world....
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1





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July 15, 2017, 04:06:24 AM
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What is KYC ?

Know your customer (KYC) refers to due diligence activities that financial institutions and other regulated companies must perform to ascertain relevant information from their clients for the purpose of doing business with them. The term is also used to refer to the bank regulation which governs these activities. Know Your Customer processes are also employed by companies of all sizes for the purpose of ensuring their proposed agents', consultants' or distributors' anti-bribery compliance. Banks, insurers and export credit agencies are increasingly demanding that customers provide detailed anti-corruption due diligence information, to verify their probity and integrity.


Who has to enforce KYC ?

Know your customer (KYC) falls under the responsability of each financial institution and/or regulated company.

The regulations require these entities to adopt KYC procedures.  It assists them in knowing / understanding the customers and their financial dealings better to monitor their transactions for identification and prevention of suspicious transactions.


KYC Recommendations

KYC controls typically include the following:

- Collection and analysis of basic identity information (referred to in US regulations and practice a "Customer Identification Program" or CIP)
- Name matching against lists of known parties (such as "politically exposed person" or PEP)
- Determination of the customer's risk in terms of propensity to commit money laundering, terrorist finance, or identity theft
- Creation of an expectation of a customer's transactional behavior
- Monitoring of a customer's transactions against their expected behaviour and recorded profile as well as that of the customer's peers

KYC Jurisdiction and Locality

KYC regulations are local, and differ from country to country. Jurisdiction is also, on a coutry to country basis.

To know more about your specific country, visit: http://kycmap.com


KYC and Bitcoin Exchanges

Stricter KYC policies:

Bitstamp   https://www.bitstamp.net/privacy-policy/
Bitfinex       https://www.bitfinex.com/pages/tos  or refer inquiries to compliance@bitfinex.com
BTCChina   (only since new PBOC guidance, Dec 2013) (link?)
Cavirtex   https://www.cavirtex.com/faq
Coinbase    https://coinbase.com/legal/privacy
Kraken       https://www.kraken.com/legal/verification (their General Counsel, Constance Choi is a well known specialist in the Regulatory and Compliance field)
Cryptonit    https://cryptonit.net/regulations


Loose or non-existant KYC policies:

BTC-e   (??)
Crypsty   (??)
LocalBitcoin (p2p based, limited KYC?)




What is AML?

Standing for "Anti-money Laundering", it is a set of procedures, laws or regulations designed to stop the practice of generating income through illegal actions. In most cases money launderers hide their actions through a series of steps that make it look like money coming from illegal or unethical sources was earned legitimately.

Who has to enforce AML?

In response to mounting concern over money laundering, the Financial Action Task Force on Money Laundering (FATF) was established by the G-7 Summit that was held in Paris in 1989.

The Task Force was given the responsibility of examining money laundering techniques and trends, reviewing the action which had already been taken at a national or international level, and setting out the measures that still needed to be taken to combat money laundering. In April 1990, less than one year after its creation, the FATF issued a report containing a set of Forty Recommendations, which provide a comprehensive plan of action needed to fight against money laundering.

The FATF calls upon all countries to take the necessary steps to bring their national systems for combating money laundering and terrorism financing into compliance with the new FATF Recommendations, and to effectively implement these measures.

Again, as in the case of KYC, financial institutions and/or regulated companies are responsible for the implementation of internal AML policies.

AML Jurisdiction and Locality

AML regulations are also local, and differ from country to country. Some countries choose a top-down approach, inheriting much of their AML policies from the FATF, while others go for a bottom-up approach and then have to reconcile both policies. Extreme countries where such reconciliation is impossible (generally due to Government unwillingness) are excluded from the FATF membership, with the corollary of increased complications to access the international markets and financing.

For a full list of FATF members, visit:         http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Action_Task_Force_on_Money_Laundering

AML and Bitcoin Exchanges

Currently in compliance:

Bitstamp   https://www.bitstamp.net/aml-policy/
Bitfinex      https://www.bitfinex.com/pages/tos or refer inquiries to compliance@bitfinex.com
Cavirtex   https://www.cavirtex.com/why_virtex#proactively_working
Coinbase    https://coinbase.com/legal/privacy
Kraken       https://www.kraken.com/legal/aml (their General Counsel, Constance Choi is a well known specialist in the Regulatory and Compliance field)
Cryptonit    https://cryptonit.net/regulations

Unknown status:

BTCChina   (unclear since new PBOC guidance, Dec 2013) (are they financial institutions?)
BTC-e   https://btc-e.com/page/1
LocalBitcoin (p2p based, limited or no AML?)



WARNING:
Assume that restrictions for any Bitcoin to National Currency exchange may become more restrictive at any time in the future. Many exchanges in the past have restricted currency deposits or withdrawals proactively as BitStamp has, without any explicit order from a government agency to do so at the time. Others like BTCChina have in response to concerns made even the ability to continue to login to their platform contingent on supplying further identifying information. In the past surprise changes to AML/KYC requirements have lead users of exchanges to have their access to deposited funds substantially delayed while complying with new requirements or even lost access to their deposited funds completely if they could not comply with the new requirements. Changing AML/KYC exchange enacted AML/KYC requirements have affected users of all major exchanges that handle both Bitcoin and National currency. People who continue using such exchanges should prepare for the contingency that their exchange of choice will change their AML/KYC requirements in the future.

KYC is everything that is wrong with the block chain is it not? no privacy or animosity ! Dont get me wrong i am all for the KYC.
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