★☆★ PKR COIN ★☆★ || THE POKER PLAYER'S COIN ♠♦♠ Now available in exchanges ! ♣♥♣

[Hellionator]

0.8% fee pool - http://pkr.scrypthp.com - MPOS on secure servers.

[BitcoinFlush]

I will support whit some pokercoins as stated before I will donate 30.000 poker coins if we hit 0.00030000 for free tournaments at your site .
Ofc if this is oke whit you Bitcoinflush

Hey, in the end of the day I am  running a pokersite. If you ever have the wish to donate for freeroll tournaments which attract new players to the site, how could I even not be ok with that?

[BitcoinFlush]

Satoshi Poker and PKR coin team are too far apart in wishes and expectations. As things currently stand we will not implement PKR coin, but look into adding other coins or creating an own currency. I wish to thank all the people in this thread for all the feedback that was given and wish you all the best of luck in this project!

[illodin]

Hmm sounds like bipolar disorder with a slight touch of adhd. 

[nightengale]

Seems like he was coming on a bit strong. I gave him a little credit because he's been around the forum for a while but in the end was just blowing a lot of hot air.

[rob950]

Satoshi Poker and PKR coin team are too far apart in wishes and expectations. As things currently stand we will not implement PKR coin, but look into adding other coins or creating an own currency. I wish to thank all the people in this thread for all the feedback that was given and wish you all the best of luck in this project!

good to know and to bad, well I hope the pkr team have any good news then, and why you guys are to far apart in the whishes?

pkr team gone destroy the coin, or pkr team have any plans, keep us updated please.......

[PKR]

The intention of PKR coin team once implemented in a poker room, is due to our contacts, knowledge and work, to popularize and get more and more players using PKR coin. That takes time and costs (offer promotions like a free starting capital for new players, create a poker school, marketing expenses and more).
The problem is that our number of coins is limited and we have no source of income as opposed to a poker room. We think that a fair deal was to offer to SP a big bounty and to give them the assurances that we were going to get them more traffic, but not also to pay between $ 2,000 and $ 3,000 for a job that we think SP should take over.
In short, we haven't reached any agreement because we have been additionally asked to pay around $ 2,000 - $ 3,000 to get pkr coin implemented in Satoshi Poker and we can't take care of expenses.

We will continue working on appearing soon in a good poker room.

[rob950]

The intention of PKR coin team once implemented in a poker room, is due to our contacts, knowledge and work, to popularize and get more and more players using PKR coin. That takes time and costs (offer promotions like a free starting capital for new players, create a poker school, marketing expenses and more).
The problem is that our number of coins is limited and we have no source of income as opposed to a poker room. We think that a fair deal was to offer to SP a big bounty and to give them the assurances that we were going to get them more traffic, but not also to pay between $ 2,000 and $ 3,000 for a job that we think SP should take over.
In short, we haven't reached any agreement because we have been additionally asked to pay around $ 2,000 - $ 3,000 to get pkr coin implemented in Satoshi Poker and we can't take care of expenses.

We will continue working on appearing soon in a good poker room.

thanks for the info, clear enough.

I have to agree 2000$ a 3000$ for implanting a coin is crazy. that's a bad third party. implanting the coin in the sathosi poker room since the bitcoin is already in there system so adding a new coin wont be that much trouble.
but I guess that 3th party want some free cash for almost no work

I can implant it for some poker coins .

but I guess the payment system is in control of sathoshi pokerroom 3th party that host the poker rooms?

[BitcoinFlush]

The intention of PKR coin team once implemented in a poker room, is due to our contacts, knowledge and work, to popularize and get more and more players using PKR coin. That takes time and costs (offer promotions like a free starting capital for new players, create a poker school, marketing expenses and more).
The problem is that our number of coins is limited and we have no source of income as opposed to a poker room. We think that a fair deal was to offer to SP a big bounty and to give them the assurances that we were going to get them more traffic, but not also to pay between $ 2,000 and $ 3,000 for a job that we think SP should take over.
In short, we haven't reached any agreement because we have been additionally asked to pay around $ 2,000 - $ 3,000 to get pkr coin implemented in Satoshi Poker and we can't take care of expenses.

We will continue working on appearing soon in a good poker room.

Well, it seems like we also can't agree on why an agreement wasn't reached
This is the last PM i sent you:

----------------------------
Hi XXXXXXXX (name deleted as PKR members prefer to be anonymous),
I just had a quick meeting with my team and they voted unanimous against integrating PKR coin into our site under the proposed conditions. The team has their doubts about investing a serious sum into supporting the coin, while having little to no information or guarantees about its creators, the planned promotions and projects. Satoshi Poker's acceptance will create a serious spike in the PKR coin price and with the risk of the coin massively being dumped after the spike, we will put ourselves at risk of becoming the center of some very bad publicity in case we make a wrong judgement regarding the intentions of the creators of PKR coin. Considering 20% of the premine has already been sold with as only visible investment the hosting and domain registration of the website, we feel it would be safer for Satoshi Poker to create its own poker coin, as the investment will be equal and the site is big enough to make a new coin go viral.

As we are too far apart at the moment, I think it is better if we each go our own way. I wish you good luck with PKR coin and thank you for your time.

Best regards,
-----------------------------

In the last 2.5 days I have had 21 minutes of Skype conversation with your partner and after that have received and sent 6 PM's here as nobody of the team is coming online. All I know about the team right now is the first name of 2 members, although from the messages it seems that the team is bigger. For an operation of this nature, I think I should at least know who is involved in the coin as Satoshi Poker would attach part of its reputation to this coin. As every question I ask had to be discussed with the team first and nobody of the team is on any form of IM, adding that you have a business trip planned and give me a new contact person again, I had my doubts that communication level would be sufficient to get something done.

I had doubts as well about the promotions that were planned. As said in PM you had a successful campaign on 2p2 forums, but according to the 2p2 thread and this thread got banned soon after you started posting about the coin. On pokerstrategy the results were better, but this will be over as soon as PKR coin launches a competitive website. The idea to create a bet site for heads up between famous people and a 2nd site that lets players bet on the winner was inventive, but the first contact person couldn't say where the famous people will be found, how they will be paid (as I take it you can't get any pro player on board and pay him in PKR coins while the coin is still marginal), and when this would be completed, just as no timeline could be given about when the pokerschool will be finished.

I had my doubts about the availability of the coin. I offered help on getting the coin listed on major exchanges, including some Chinese ones which requires voting systems and vouches that I can get it to pass, but this got rejected as your team considered that your responsability, while the coin is now only listed on swisscex.

Your offer to Satoshi Poker and the conditions this offer is made in are: about 20% of the premine has already been sold/distributed and 27.6% of the premine (400K coins) will be the bounty for Satoshi Poker for implementing all. Satoshi Poker would have to take care of the entire implementation, which means adding it to our client (the $2600 for our software company), hiring developpers to install PKR coin on our server and setting up the wallet system for automatically assigning all players a PKR coin wallet, including existing clients, buiding the deposit/withdrawal/bonus/rakeback/affiliate payments features, having the wallets integrated in the online player panel and having information about the coin integrated in the website. You are mistaking if you are thinking that this operation would mean a $2000-$3000 investment for Satoshi Poker.

I truly believe in the idea behind your coin, but when looking at the real investment Satoshi Poker has to make to include this coin into the client we have to look at the pro's and the con's. As we have no guarantees about the promo's that are to be held, we don't know if and when the, as your team member called it, bet site for famous people or pokerschool website will be finished, launched and where the famous people come from and how they will be paid. We don't know how quickly we can have this all done, as communication with your organisation is an issue. These were cons we took into consideration.

But the main reason me and the team decided to no longer look further in the coin was the answer to one single question. The question we asked ourselves is: If we are going to invest a serious amount of money into a concept that we like and shows potential and we put in a considerable amount of time into realisation of this integration, but as soon as the coin price rises because of the extra exposure and we find out to be in a pump and dump scheme, we will have our players asking: who are these people, how can we contact them, who is responsible for me buying coins in an exchange and seeing that they have become nearly valueless and we will have our investors asking: who are these people, how can we contact them, why did Satoshi Poker move into this project and pay >= $8000 with partially my money when knowing next to nothing about the people behind it, only communicating through bitcointalk's PM, having no guarantees on promo's or timeframes and now finds itself as a key player in a media circus around a currency that became a pump and dump and on the side is also hosting games in valueless money. We will gain a lot of bad publicity and the only person in this operation who never has hidden its identity is me.

I simply have to make the best decision according to all factors known to me. I have the responsability for my players and my investors and when taking all above into consideration, I feel like it would be a too big gamble to move forward with this, and it would be better to incorporate a coin with less risk or create our own.That was not because it would cost us $2000-$3000 to integrate it. In fact, Gabriel offered out of nowhere that your team would cover the costs for our software company and I went along with that and never complained when you came back on that.

Take care.

[BitcoinFlush]

thanks for the info, clear enough.

I have to agree 2000$ a 3000$ for implanting a coin is crazy. that's a bad third party. implanting the coin in the sathosi poker room since the bitcoin is already in there system so adding a new coin wont be that much trouble.
but I guess that 3th party want some free cash for almost no work

I can implant it for some poker coins .

but I guess the payment system is in control of sathoshi pokerroom 3th party that host the poker rooms?

The software, games and backend for account control are 3rd party (enterra poker), but we have our custom built backend thru API for handling all financial transactions from deposits till bonusses.

I never asked for $3k though...

[rob950]

thanks for the info, clear enough.

I have to agree 2000$ a 3000$ for implanting a coin is crazy. that's a bad third party. implanting the coin in the sathosi poker room since the bitcoin is already in there system so adding a new coin wont be that much trouble.
but I guess that 3th party want some free cash for almost no work

I can implant it for some poker coins .

but I guess the payment system is in control of sathoshi pokerroom 3th party that host the poker rooms?

The software, games and backend for account control are 3rd party (enterra poker), but we have our custom built backend thru API for handling all financial transactions from deposits till bonusses.

I never asked for $3k though...

I did not accused you that you did, my only statement was this is getting clearer as you can see .
first of all I don't know where you guys where talking about and a story has always 2 sides.
that being said.

back to the payment system.
ya as I said before your screwed by the 3th party they hold the key and software.
the api`s you get are probable from enterra to.

so you cant do shit.

unless you tweak the system and only rent the gaming software from enterra and implant a payment system your self.
but I guess that wont happen since enterra wont make a dime then.

al whit all you must ask enterra everything and pay them that's logic of course.

[FlipPro]

thanks for the info, clear enough.

I have to agree 2000$ a 3000$ for implanting a coin is crazy. that's a bad third party. implanting the coin in the sathosi poker room since the bitcoin is already in there system so adding a new coin wont be that much trouble.
but I guess that 3th party want some free cash for almost no work

I can implant it for some poker coins .

but I guess the payment system is in control of sathoshi pokerroom 3th party that host the poker rooms?

The software, games and backend for account control are 3rd party (enterra poker), but we have our custom built backend thru API for handling all financial transactions from deposits till bonusses.

I never asked for $3k though...

I did not accused you that you did, my only statement was this is getting clearer as you can see .
first of all I don't know where you guys where talking about and a story has always 2 sides.
that being said.

back to the payment system.
ya as I said before your screwed by the 3th party they hold the key and software.
the api`s you get are probable from enterra to.

so you cant do shit.

unless you tweak the system and only rent the gaming software from enterra and implant a payment system your self.
but I guess that wont happen since enterra wont make a dime then.

al whit all you must ask enterra everything and pay them that's logic of course.

$3000 for a coin implementation is not unreasonable to a custom built software.

What are you talking about?

[rob950]

thanks for the info, clear enough.

I have to agree 2000$ a 3000$ for implanting a coin is crazy. that's a bad third party. implanting the coin in the sathosi poker room since the bitcoin is already in there system so adding a new coin wont be that much trouble.
but I guess that 3th party want some free cash for almost no work

I can implant it for some poker coins .

but I guess the payment system is in control of sathoshi pokerroom 3th party that host the poker rooms?

The software, games and backend for account control are 3rd party (enterra poker), but we have our custom built backend thru API for handling all financial transactions from deposits till bonusses.

I never asked for $3k though...

I did not accused you that you did, my only statement was this is getting clearer as you can see .
first of all I don't know where you guys where talking about and a story has always 2 sides.
that being said.

back to the payment system.
ya as I said before your screwed by the 3th party they hold the key and software.
the api`s you get are probable from enterra to.

so you cant do shit.

unless you tweak the system and only rent the gaming software from enterra and implant a payment system your self.
but I guess that wont happen since enterra wont make a dime then.

al whit all you must ask enterra everything and pay them that's logic of course.

$3000 for a coin implementation is not unreasonable to a custom built software.

What are you talking about?

first of all start reading then you know where I was talking about.
did I ever said it was unreasonable??
read the whole story, and don`t read the things you only want to read.

where`s your HEAD at?, HEAD at?, HEAD at?, HEAD at?


Ps I wane add, yes if you pay for the software, also pay fees over transactions, and give fees over the games.

ya I wane add its unreasonable for a custom built software, where they keep earning on.
and implanting a coin must be free (service of the custom build software)  since they will earn on everything.

ofc I don't know the deal exactly whit bitflush. but if its this way its very unreasonable.

you know where you talking about FlipPro? guess we can leave the Pro and call you Flip?

[FlipPro]

thanks for the info, clear enough.

I have to agree 2000$ a 3000$ for implanting a coin is crazy. that's a bad third party. implanting the coin in the sathosi poker room since the bitcoin is already in there system so adding a new coin wont be that much trouble.
but I guess that 3th party want some free cash for almost no work

I can implant it for some poker coins .

but I guess the payment system is in control of sathoshi pokerroom 3th party that host the poker rooms?

The software, games and backend for account control are 3rd party (enterra poker), but we have our custom built backend thru API for handling all financial transactions from deposits till bonusses.

I never asked for $3k though...

I did not accused you that you did, my only statement was this is getting clearer as you can see .
first of all I don't know where you guys where talking about and a story has always 2 sides.
that being said.

back to the payment system.
ya as I said before your screwed by the 3th party they hold the key and software.
the api`s you get are probable from enterra to.

so you cant do shit.

unless you tweak the system and only rent the gaming software from enterra and implant a payment system your self.
but I guess that wont happen since enterra wont make a dime then.

al whit all you must ask enterra everything and pay them that's logic of course.

$3000 for a coin implementation is not unreasonable to a custom built software.

What are you talking about?

first of all start reading then you know where I was talking about.
did I ever said it was unreasonable??
read the whole story, and don`t read the things you only want to read.

where`s your HEAD at?, HEAD at?, HEAD at?, HEAD at?

"I have to agree 2000$ a 3000$ for implanting a coin is crazy"

It's not crazy...... It's 10 year old poker software, and implementing such coin would be a challenge. If you think it's crazy you don't know programming.

[userpacman1]

After 19 hours: no contact, nobody online. Please let me know if you guys are serious about getting this coin accepted in our room.

I thought we said we would be waiting for your email with quote. I have been speaking with other members of the team and we are thinking about what we spoke. I'm sending you a PM.

I said i would send it when i got it. I was waiting for you to get feedback from your team. Guess we were waiting on eachother then. Please get on some form of IM. Its 2014

Hey PKRC Dev, this is your chance, don't waste it.  

Ditto

in ditto

bitcoinflush: "In the last 2.5 days I have had 21 minutes of Skype conversation with your partner and after that have received and sent 6 PM's here as nobody of the team is coming online. All I know about the team right now is the first name of 2 members, although from the messages it seems that the team is bigger."

I'm very sorry the PKRC DEV wasted so much of your time and of yours co-workers. I guess a 10 year old child would have spent some minutes more discussing the topic (and why not, reach no agreement, that's not the point, I don't agree with you about the dump and your role in it, maybe because I'm a pool owner (huge pool) and I know who has a lot of coins. I can bet most of them are more willing to offer some of their coins for promotion/bounties/larger acceptance/whatever activity than dumping them at first chance.

I'm not surprised either nobody of the team is coming online to discuss... (There is not such a thing as a "team". Just read this whole thread and you'll see some users posted much more than the dev.)

DEV COME BACK TO YOUR KINDERGARTEN !

[bichejo]

They themselves are killing pkrcoin

[nightengale]

This is all why I fear this coin is going nowhere. Dev or dev team or whatever comes across as absent, cagey and arrogant.

[bichejo]

yesterday the difficulty increased almost 10 times, today is even lower than before the climb. That quiiere say that people do not support this currency. The development team leaves much to be desired in terms of marketing management. if this does not change .... this coin will die unnoticed

[PKR]

The intention of PKR coin team once implemented in a poker room, is due to our contacts, knowledge and work, to popularize and get more and more players using PKR coin. That takes time and costs (offer promotions like a free starting capital for new players, create a poker school, marketing expenses and more).
The problem is that our number of coins is limited and we have no source of income as opposed to a poker room. We think that a fair deal was to offer to SP a big bounty and to give them the assurances that we were going to get them more traffic, but not also to pay between $ 2,000 and $ 3,000 for a job that we think SP should take over.
In short, we haven't reached any agreement because we have been additionally asked to pay around $ 2,000 - $ 3,000 to get pkr coin implemented in Satoshi Poker and we can't take care of expenses.

We will continue working on appearing soon in a good poker room.

Well, it seems like we also can't agree on why an agreement wasn't reached
This is the last PM i sent you:

----------------------------
Hi XXXXXXXX (name deleted as PKR members prefer to be anonymous),
I just had a quick meeting with my team and they voted unanimous against integrating PKR coin into our site under the proposed conditions. The team has their doubts about investing a serious sum into supporting the coin, while having little to no information or guarantees about its creators, the planned promotions and projects. Satoshi Poker's acceptance will create a serious spike in the PKR coin price and with the risk of the coin massively being dumped after the spike, we will put ourselves at risk of becoming the center of some very bad publicity in case we make a wrong judgement regarding the intentions of the creators of PKR coin. Considering 20% of the premine has already been sold with as only visible investment the hosting and domain registration of the website, we feel it would be safer for Satoshi Poker to create its own poker coin, as the investment will be equal and the site is big enough to make a new coin go viral.

As we are too far apart at the moment, I think it is better if we each go our own way. I wish you good luck with PKR coin and thank you for your time.

Best regards,
-----------------------------

In the last 2.5 days I have had 21 minutes of Skype conversation with your partner and after that have received and sent 6 PM's here as nobody of the team is coming online. All I know about the team right now is the first name of 2 members, although from the messages it seems that the team is bigger. For an operation of this nature, I think I should at least know who is involved in the coin as Satoshi Poker would attach part of its reputation to this coin. As every question I ask had to be discussed with the team first and nobody of the team is on any form of IM, adding that you have a business trip planned and give me a new contact person again, I had my doubts that communication level would be sufficient to get something done.

I had doubts as well about the promotions that were planned. As said in PM you had a successful campaign on 2p2 forums, but according to the 2p2 thread and this thread got banned soon after you started posting about the coin. On pokerstrategy the results were better, but this will be over as soon as PKR coin launches a competitive website. The idea to create a bet site for heads up between famous people and a 2nd site that lets players bet on the winner was inventive, but the first contact person couldn't say where the famous people will be found, how they will be paid (as I take it you can't get any pro player on board and pay him in PKR coins while the coin is still marginal), and when this would be completed, just as no timeline could be given about when the pokerschool will be finished.

I had my doubts about the availability of the coin. I offered help on getting the coin listed on major exchanges, including some Chinese ones which requires voting systems and vouches that I can get it to pass, but this got rejected as your team considered that your responsability, while the coin is now only listed on swisscex.

Your offer to Satoshi Poker and the conditions this offer is made in are: about 20% of the premine has already been sold/distributed and 27.6% of the premine (400K coins) will be the bounty for Satoshi Poker for implementing all. Satoshi Poker would have to take care of the entire implementation, which means adding it to our client (the $2600 for our software company), hiring developpers to install PKR coin on our server and setting up the wallet system for automatically assigning all players a PKR coin wallet, including existing clients, buiding the deposit/withdrawal/bonus/rakeback/affiliate payments features, having the wallets integrated in the online player panel and having information about the coin integrated in the website. You are mistaking if you are thinking that this operation would mean a $2000-$3000 investment for Satoshi Poker.

I truly believe in the idea behind your coin, but when looking at the real investment Satoshi Poker has to make to include this coin into the client we have to look at the pro's and the con's. As we have no guarantees about the promo's that are to be held, we don't know if and when the, as your team member called it, bet site for famous people or pokerschool website will be finished, launched and where the famous people come from and how they will be paid. We don't know how quickly we can have this all done, as communication with your organisation is an issue. These were cons we took into consideration.

But the main reason me and the team decided to no longer look further in the coin was the answer to one single question. The question we asked ourselves is: If we are going to invest a serious amount of money into a concept that we like and shows potential and we put in a considerable amount of time into realisation of this integration, but as soon as the coin price rises because of the extra exposure and we find out to be in a pump and dump scheme, we will have our players asking: who are these people, how can we contact them, who is responsible for me buying coins in an exchange and seeing that they have become nearly valueless and we will have our investors asking: who are these people, how can we contact them, why did Satoshi Poker move into this project and pay >= $8000 with partially my money when knowing next to nothing about the people behind it, only communicating through bitcointalk's PM, having no guarantees on promo's or timeframes and now finds itself as a key player in a media circus around a currency that became a pump and dump and on the side is also hosting games in valueless money. We will gain a lot of bad publicity and the only person in this operation who never has hidden its identity is me.

I simply have to make the best decision according to all factors known to me. I have the responsability for my players and my investors and when taking all above into consideration, I feel like it would be a too big gamble to move forward with this, and it would be better to incorporate a coin with less risk or create our own.That was not because it would cost us $2000-$3000 to integrate it. In fact, Gabriel offered out of nowhere that your team would cover the costs for our software company and I went along with that and never complained when you came back on that.

Take care.

The first contact we had was less than 48 hours ago and you seemed extremely interested in this coin.
We are a large team but we have other obligations outside of pkr coin, so we think it is entirely consistent that the first contacts are made by email or mp. Our way of doing things is to ensure that you are really interested in this project and that we are agree on the basics of the negociations; then to meet each other, to design a plan of finance, marketing, projects to develop, or whatever it takes.

We are sorry that your main reason for not being interested in pkr coin is that you are not sure of the professionalism of the people behind this project, and that we could make a dump scheme after formalizing the agreement. It has no sense to make dumb after to be added in a poker room; if we are able to bring traffic to the room and after having spent the vast majority of the initial funds.
We continue to believe that such agreements do not finish after 2 days and few messages. We were intended to exchange our identities and development plans for pkr coin. From the first email exchange we agreed that we had to wait for enterra poker budget. For us it was a must so we could continue to negotiate (it's not the same if it cost $ 500 or $ 4000), but we received no detail.

Finally, I'll clarify a couple of things that are not true. Perhaps it was why you just do not understand well, I hope so.

"about 20 % of the premine has already been sold / distributed and 27.6 % of the premine ( 400K coins ) will be the bounty for Satoshi Poker for Implementing all"

As we cleared it in my next message to you, because a negotiation can be extended, I did an approximate calculation with the minimum amount of coin we would have for sure. We spread the coins in various accounts and I have no direct access to them, I never imagined that you would assume that we had sold 20% of the premine.
As I explained to you, the presale, all the giveaways we have done between poker players, the poker quiz, pools, faucet, mac wallet, block explorer, translations, bombsweeper and other giveaways posts in other forums are not free. We are not miners, we have any revenue.

"Obviously, we'll give you directions to our accounts so you can verify the numbers. We shuffling an amount of between 35 and 50 % of the total amount we have". That will be between 0.6% and 0.834% for sure, or more, of the entire coin. I don't think any coin could do the same offer.


In any case we both share the idea that the benefits of cryptocurrencies are the future of online poker, so we wish you good luck on your project.
Regards.

[ymer]

That was a huge backfire, lost the chance to make this coin worth something.