Controlling spamming by newbies

[Nanagyasi]

Surfing through the forum, I have observed that most of the spams come from the newbies. You will observe that most newbies are only interested in post counts and hence make only low quality posts to increase their post counts. I know a lot of suggestions are been considered as to how to clean the system and I therefore would like to make this suggestion as a way to control spamming by newbies

I think restricting newbies accounts to only "beginners and help board" for one month where they can only ask questions that will help build their knowledge on this forum, Btc and cryptocurrency as a while will help to control this.

I don't know how technically possible this is but if it is and by implementing it, can help control the spams by newbies since they, by the end of the period of restriction, might have learned enough to make quality posts.

What do you also think about this??

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[Don Pedro Dinero]

That used to exist here and was called the newbie jail, although I don't know why it disappeared. I hope someone will enlighten us.

[DdmrDdmr]

That used to exist here and was called the newbie jail, although I don't know why it disappeared. I hope someone will enlighten us.

Theymos recently commented on this matter:

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Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum. When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc. Having a permanent newbie jail policy would improve things a lot in the short-term, but would end up being a fatal poison to the community.
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For the OP, limiting posting on threads based either rank or merit has been discussed a few times on Meta already. We do kind of perform wishful thinking on the subject recurrently, but that is all that it is really in the outcome of events...

[seoincorporation]

That used to exist here and was called the newbie jail, although I don't know why it disappeared. I hope someone will enlighten us.

Theymos recently commented on this matter:

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Limiting newbie participation is very harmful for a community. Newbie jail will never return: I consider the newbie-jail period to have been extremely damaging to the forum. When barriers to participation are too high, then the best people often just won't go to the trouble of joining, and the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc. Having a permanent newbie jail policy would improve things a lot in the short-term, but would end up being a fatal poison to the community.
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For the OP, limiting posting on threads based either rank or merit has been discussed a few times on Meta already. We do kind of perform wishful thinking on the subject recurrently, but that is all that it is really in the outcome of events...

To be honest, I do believe that a "newbies jail" can encourage the people to become a good poster, but if we approach the matter in a really different way than before (for instance, by doing contests in their limited board, by giving them some explanations about the forum, and educating them, giving them awards, and helping them to leave the jail once they get, for instance, 5 merits) . Anyway, since Theymos is totally against that, we must just trough the idea then and search for another. Times of problems always bring times of solutions. So I've changed my mind since I read the Theymos answer, and now I do believe we need to stop being so restricted about merit. Meaning: if a post is good enough, then we must give merit, even if it isn't awesome, but if the post is amazing, ok, let us give far more than one merit. If the people see that, by having a decent behavior, they are going able to rank-up, then probably more will try. The actual situation is discouraging people, for, honestly, it is very difficult to rank-up beyond member right now, even if your behavior is quite decent. We need to change our mindset, to try to think again as a newbie, to wear their shoes for a while and to reward all that we are not rewarding now. In a society, when there is no hope, then the people cross the street and become evil, lazy and sad. If we show the people that this is possible to rank-up, truly possible, then probably more will come with a new mindset.

[joniboini]

I'm actually more concerned about the spamming that is done by high-ranked members (Member and up). This has become a pain in the ass in my local sub. Just imagine, a legendary ranked member post almost one-liner in all of his posts, doing a quote pyramid, almost like he is too lazy to just post a new reply properly.

The roots of all of this problem are, of course, the signature campaign. I don't mean that we should remove it, I just think that bounty managers should be more responsible for checking the post quality of all participants. If all signature campaign being run like ChipMixer, then probably there will be no spamming problem. SMAS blacklist is also great.

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To be honest, I do believe that a "newbies jail" can encourage the people to become a good poster, but if we approach the matter in a really different way than before (for instance, by doing contests in their limited board, by giving them some explanations about the forum, and educating them, giving them awards, and helping them to leave the jail once they get, for instance, 5 merits) .

I think theymos mean that newbie jail is like a barrier that makes new potential member, who wanted to participate for this forum become lazy to do so because they can't go straight to the sub-section or thread that they wanted to participate in. On the other hand, usually, the one who has the motivation to go through all the hassle is someone who wanted to gain 'something' (and I mean money). Eventually, they'll revert back to their spammy posting style after they've gone through it.

Meaning: if a post is good enough, then we must give merit, even if it isn't awesome, but if the post is amazing, ok, let us give far more than one merit. If the people see that, by having a decent behavior, they are going able to rank-up, then probably more will try. The actual situation is discouraging people, for, honestly, it is very difficult to rank-up beyond member right now, even if your behavior is quite decent. We need to change our mindset, to try to think again as a newbie, to wear their shoes for a while and to reward all that we are not rewarding now.

Even if merit did not exist, you should not spam in the first place. We are not talking about whether newbies are getting the merit they deserved or not, are we?

In a society, when there is no hope, then the people cross the street and become evil, lazy and sad. If we show the people that this is possible to rank-up, truly possible, then probably more will come with a new mindset.

It is possible to rank-up. Check out these profiles (from my local sub): HusnaQA, jillscarbrough, roycilik, abhiseshakana, manji, pandukelana2712, etc.

[crypto_nd]

Surfing through the forum, I have observed that most of the spams come from the newbies. You will observe that most newbies are only interested in post counts and hence make only low quality posts to increase their post counts. I know a lot of suggestions are been considered as to how to clean the system and I therefore would like to make this suggestion as a way to control spamming by newbies

I think restricting newbies accounts to only "beginners and help board" for one month where they can only ask questions that will help build their knowledge on this forum, Btc and cryptocurrency as a while will help to control this.

I don't know how technically possible this is but if it is and by implementing it, can help control the spams by newbies since they, by the end of the period of restriction, might have learned enough to make quality posts.

What do you also think about this??

restricting newbie changes nothing people can just open account and leave it for the period time and when they are through to the next position, they just go back to shitposting and shitposting is not centered on newbies alone old members too shitpost and they are good at it.   

[athanz88]

I believe that we need something other than newbie jail to solve this spamming problem. Like Theymos said, it would create a more bad situation than now in the future, good people wont join in the engagement and bad people will try to find a shortcut, because the barriers are too high. Like joniboini said, signature campaigns are the problems, specifically the managers who dont manage the campaign well, like paying all the spammers etc.

I believe this is the sources of all the problem, and i think we need some standard for people who wants to be a manager. SMAS list and Darklist is a great tools made by some responsible managers in this forum and it kinda help the community to grow better, but some lazy managers just want money flowing to their pocket without doing a good and hardwork.

@joniboini long time no see bro !

[joniboini]

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I believe this is the sources of all the problem, and i think we need some standard for people who wants to be a manager. SMAS list and Darklist is a great tools made by some responsible managers in this forum and it kinda help the community to grow better, but some lazy managers just want money flowing to their pocket without doing a good and hardwork.

Just around 2 or 3 days ago I suggest excluding local posts in a signature campaign to a bounty manager. I've told them that it will be hard for them to check the post quality if it is not written in English. But it seems that they don't care about it. I think "no spamming" rules in the signature campaign was just a decoration for their bounty thread.

On another day, I also send pm to a bounty manager/ICO team that their ANN/Bounty/Whitepaper is being translated poorly using Google Translate. And how did they respond? "It is fine as long as it is different enough from Google Translate result."
Damn, I never thought they'd respond like that.

[shilpyh]

After few days newbies become jr. member they spam too. Even many member, full member even sr. member create spam post as they recived merit according to their current member rank and still they are not aware about merit system as a result they think their rank will be higher if they create any type of post either that is spam or copy-paste.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Theymos recently commented on this matter:

Damn, I must've missed this.

the people who are willing to jump through the hoops are often people who aren't good for the community: people with nothing better to do, scammers, get-rick-quickers, etc.

Hello?  Those are the only people joining now anyway!

Guess newbie jail is out and we can all stop discussing that particular solution.  I still don't know why this forum did away with the old scammer tag--I'm sure there's a reason, but I just don't know what it is and I haven't searched old threads. 

Blackhatworld has a kind of judgement process by which they label someone a scammer, and I kind of like their method.  I've heard the argument here that there's not enough mods and there's too much subjectivity, but this is the only forum I've visited where scams aren't moderated.  But I digress.