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June 30, 2018, 11:23:31 PM
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This scammer's profile: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=321554

He took out two loans, and one bond on btcpop.co, a peer to peer crypto lending site.
(To view any of these links, you have to sign up. You can either use a temp email service, or just open a real account.)

This is the bond of .16 BTC: https://btcpop.co/Bond/487
This is the first loan of .1 BTC: https://btcpop.co/Loan/22323/altcoin-investment
And this is his second "instant" loan of .066 BTC: https://btcpop.co/Loan/22309/

I PMed him here, and threatened to ruin his reputation here, if he didn't come back and repay his debts, even if that just means partial payments for now.
The following is his message back to me:
https://prnt.sc/k0wjd3

He admits it is his account.
Even if he could somehow argue that he "didn't" take those loans, he still deserves a negative rep for being an account seller. If he is willing to do it on btcpop, you can be sure he'd try it here.

He is also a scammer on Reddit's loan pages, although he has deleted his account there:
https://www.reddit.com/r/borrow/comments/7p91dq/unpaid_uonnz423_vantaa_uusimaa_finland_40_4_days/
https://www.reddit.com/r/borrow/comments/7r3hy9/unpaid_uonnz423_vantaa_uusimaa_finald_50eur_a/

He's still around on bitcointalk, and still doing signature campaigns. Please don't let this thief continue to make profits here.
If y'all have any questions about him, I'll be more than happy to share everything I know.
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June 30, 2018, 11:37:52 PM
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He admits it is his account.
Even if he could somehow argue that he "didn't" take those loans, he still deserves a negative rep for being an account seller. If he is willing to do it on btcpop, you can be sure he'd try it here.
That's actually very true. I wonder how easy he admitted it. He must have few more accounts in here. Who knows.

He is a bit wrong about his assumption though. Yes, the admins will not give a shit about it, the mods will not (may be) ban his account because scams are not moderated however I am sure if your evidences are satisfactory to the DT members then they will tag him. Here he is wrong, tag from DT members will not be good for him. Any lander will see the tag and they will deny his requests.

Good job OP


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PS: Looking at his feedback page, it seems he actually repaid every loan he has taken from here. I am just confuse a bit however I will not trust him with my money.


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June 30, 2018, 11:44:45 PM
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he still deserves a negative rep for being an account seller.
What evidence did I miss about him being an account seller?  I saw the PM you posted, and he said he let other people use his Btcpop account, but that's it.  Sure as hell sounds fishy, but I'd like to hear what he has to say if he responds here.  He's basically saying he doesn't recall borrowing money, that someone else used his account and did so.  I'm not sure I buy that, and that PM sounds too confrontational for my liking given the circumstances.

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June 30, 2018, 11:59:02 PM
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His only defense is that he let others use his account.

Did he let the website know, and let anyone lending to that account that it was not him?

No he did not, so he is still liable for his debts.

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July 01, 2018, 01:09:24 AM
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He admits it is his account.
Even if he could somehow argue that he "didn't" take those loans, he still deserves a negative rep for being an account seller. If he is willing to do it on btcpop, you can be sure he'd try it here.
That's actually very true. I wonder how easy he admitted it. He must have few more accounts in here. Who knows.

He is a bit wrong about his assumption though. Yes, the admins will not give a shit about it, the mods will not (may be) ban his account because scams are not moderated however I am sure if your evidences are satisfactory to the DT members then they will tag him. Here he is wrong, tag from DT members will not be good for him. Any lander will see the tag and they will deny his requests.

Good job OP


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PS: Looking at his feedback page, it seems he actually repaid every loan he has taken from here. I am just confuse a bit however I will not trust him with my money.

Yep. His rep here, is still standing.
But it was like that on Btcpop, as well. He had repaid about 30 loans. (Most smaller, however). So he had a bit of rep. Built up the amounts, and then vanished.

he still deserves a negative rep for being an account seller.
What evidence did I miss about him being an account seller?  I saw the PM you posted, and he said he let other people use his Btcpop account, but that's it.  Sure as hell sounds fishy, but I'd like to hear what he has to say if he responds here.  He's basically saying he doesn't recall borrowing money, that someone else used his account and did so.  I'm not sure I buy that, and that PM sounds too confrontational for my liking given the circumstances.

On BTCPOP, there is a pretty thorough verification process. In order to be eligible to borrow, you have to verify your address through physical mail, upload your passport and drivers license, and take a selfie with a code, in order to prove your identity.

Third parties are strictly not allowed to borrow using someone else's account, as that defeats the purpose of verification.

In this case, the only reason to allow another person to use your account on a lending site is to take out loans. Using his identity. I can't even imagine a reason for him to have allowed other users on that account (which he admitted) without him being paid for it. I'd love for him to address this point. I'll PM him with a link to this.

Now the big thing you have to know here, is that in order to withdraw BTC from aforementioned lending site, you have to accept the withdrawal via an emailed confirmation link. (Did not think of this until earlier today. Would have mentioned in opening remarks.)
So the person who took that loan out also has to have access to the original email address that Onnz423 signed up with.
So either he just shares all his accounts with his social group, or he is a liar.
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July 01, 2018, 10:23:54 AM
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So either he just shares all his accounts with his social group, or he is a liar.
Reading all the detailed information about the procedures of btcpop.co, my take is he (onnz423) is a liar. The strategy is simple here...
Take small loans, build a portfolio in the trust page then take few handsome amounts of loans and finally vanish.

I made up my mind. Thank you OP for the awareness.


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July 01, 2018, 01:42:48 PM
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The truth is I used to share that account with several close friends, one of which is responsible for taking those loans out, since then that friend has since vanished and I have no means to recover the debt. As far as I'm concerned I am not responsible for paying these loans, as I simply did not take these loans out myself.

Now, thanks to the -trust of the DT members, you can be sure you will not be getting that money. I have been itching for a way to leave this site for a long time now, and the negative trust I just received has given me adequate cause to do so. You should have verified my identity on here before lending. I have never, and will never scam anybody.

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July 01, 2018, 01:44:08 PM
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The truth is I used to share that account with several close friends, one of which is responsible for taking those loans out, since then that friend has since vanished and I have no means to recover the debt. As far as I'm concerned I am not responsible for paying these loans, as I simply did not take these loans out myself.

Now, thanks to the -trust of the DT members, you can be sure you will not be getting that money. I have been itching for a way to leave this site for a long time now, and the negative trust I just received has given me adequate cause to do so. You should have verified my identity on here before lending. I have never, and will never scam anybody.

What a pathetic excuse for scamming
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July 01, 2018, 04:35:57 PM
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The truth is I used to share that account with several close friends, one of which is responsible for taking those loans out, since then that friend has since vanished and I have no means to recover the debt. As far as I'm concerned I am not responsible for paying these loans, as I simply did not take these loans out myself.

Now, thanks to the -trust of the DT members, you can be sure you will not be getting that money. I have been itching for a way to leave this site for a long time now, and the negative trust I just received has given me adequate cause to do so. You should have verified my identity on here before lending. I have never, and will never scam anybody.
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The truth is I used to share that account with several close friends, one of which is responsible for taking those loans out, since then that friend has since vanished and I have no means to recover the debt. As far as I'm concerned I am not responsible for paying these loans, as I simply did not take these loans out myself.

Nice story.  Even if you are telling the truth, you are still responsible for the loans, as they were taken out under your account.  Try telling the bank you are not responsible for your credit card bills because you lent it to a friend...

Pay your debt, then if you feel your friend owes you the money - find him and sue him.  The lenders aren't responsible for that.

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Now, thanks to the -trust of the DT members, you can be sure you will not be getting that money. I have been itching for a way to leave this site for a long time now, and the negative trust I just received has given me adequate cause to do so.

Most scammers leave after scamming.  See ya.

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The truth is I used to share that account with several close friends, one of which is responsible for taking those loans out, since then that friend has since vanished and I have no means to recover the debt. As far as I'm concerned I am not responsible for paying these loans, as I simply did not take these loans out myself.

Now THAT is an excuse that is up there in terms of ridiculousness. I'm glad the forum is done with you, although your kind just keeps comin' back. *waves fingers*

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July 10, 2018, 12:58:27 AM
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The truth is I used to share that account with several close friends, one of which is responsible for taking those loans out, since then that friend has since vanished and I have no means to recover the debt. As far as I'm concerned I am not responsible for paying these loans, as I simply did not take these loans out myself.

Now, thanks to the -trust of the DT members, you can be sure you will not be getting that money. I have been itching for a way to leave this site for a long time now, and the negative trust I just received has given me adequate cause to do so. You should have verified my identity on here before lending. I have never, and will never scam anybody.

You've taken the loans and no one else.
Latest withdrawals was to:
1onnz4cetY6CqCVEUoTYkURMS8AfBgDg8

Transaction ID's
a835fd2f6acd2d3afd57bc5f901d93af69f01d5da97d1c00a18ae1ce72fc1449
85f9309532483558921fd72edb06665d6912ab017f7fa34bdd22838f781958a0
8462b248d7f2b18c9daeb5dcd045b33c47e3ef69323391cc84731ff6a76ee050
dbce52338e64abeaae279df7b5361d4817ee83528101a8d9e253a3b01e5ec54c

Edit: the forum here is also full of you posting that address:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1820695.msg22518919#msg22518919

Please note that we'll start to make data of defaulters available soon to investors in those borrowers, we'll have updated terms you've to accept or you've to cancel your account ( only possible if it has no remaining debt ).
I would suggest everyone who invested in this scammer to report him to the police, with this thread he has proven he scammed and just not defaulted on a loan, there was never intention to pay the debt back.
Police can contact us via support [at] btcpop.co and we're happy to provide all data of the scammer ( including the video from video verification ).

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