Does hard work in gambling count?

[Sukut]

Bill Gates says he hires lazy people because they will always find the best way to do the least work and so find the most efficient process.  Compare that to this question and maybe the hard work is in not doing the simplest thing which is to bet always but to resist temptation and save yourself the loss sometimes.  The hard work is in when knowing to do less ? 

But gambling does not require hard work because I have seen some gamblers spending long hours in innovating new strategies but they never found a method to crack profits, yes all their hard works ended in vain.

And I've seen a lot who actually cracked it.

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[KonstantinosM]

No one in this entire thread has even mentioned this!

It would be very hard work to analyze the numbers and find where the house doesn't have an edge.

This has happened before, even with the lottery. Purchasing a certain amount of tickets, if enough money was put in it, statistically returned more money.

The ROI was more than 15%

Here is the article: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/08/07/how-mit-students-scammed-the-massachusetts-lottery-for-8-million/


Similarly, if you do hard work in baiting the casinos you can feed off the wasted money of other people. Go in there "to gamble" spend almost no money, try to find a game that returns most of your money, enjoy free services.... Leave

Rinse and repeat at another casino.....

Maybe you can just do math on how to beat their games while drinking free water and enjoying free AC and music and then go on your way.... You saved money on AC and accommodation, you beat the odds.

Basically you have to be a parasite...

Working hard to find out how to cheat also works.... If you could somehow rig the jackpot, that would be very hard work and the ROI would be ludicrous. 

[Finestream]

I think hard work in gambling is counted because every effort have a price as a payment.So l think l can meet my expectations in hard working even in gambling.lf l do hard work in gambling l will sure to be succeed.

You can't say this easily, you can't be too hardworking if what you are doing is out nowhere  to find success.

I know that success can't be found easily but in gambling, there's really no direction on where you are going. It can be by fate or you're really good and hardworking but it's more of random based results so what if you don't know how to play analyze-based games and you are only into luck basis games?

It depends on a game, some of them based on luck and you don't need to make an effort for winning.

That's why I asked him if its about luck basis games, you can be lucky but we know that not all the time we're lucky correct?

You may not need an effort to win but still it's result is random.

People are not considering this and they will bother about their earning even it is from luck or through random. One thing i can say in trading there is no special room for hardworking because we do not keep any effort here to make money and every we can say is based on the luck we have.

I agree.It would still be worthless for a gambler to make hardworks in gambling because it is not about a real profession,its only a form of entertainment.Gambling is mostly controlled by luck and not by the efforts being shown by the players.So hardwork will not really count in gambling.

[kurian]

I think hard work in gambling is counted because every effort have a price as a payment.So l think l can meet my expectations in hard working even in gambling.lf l do hard work in gambling l will sure to be succeed.

You can't say this easily, you can't be too hardworking if what you are doing is out nowhere  to find success.

I know that success can't be found easily but in gambling, there's really no direction on where you are going. It can be by fate or you're really good and hardworking but it's more of random based results so what if you don't know how to play analyze-based games and you are only into luck basis games?

It depends on a game, some of them based on luck and you don't need to make an effort for winning.

That's why I asked him if its about luck basis games, you can be lucky but we know that not all the time we're lucky correct?

You may not need an effort to win but still it's result is random.

People are not considering this and they will bother about their earning even it is from luck or through random. One thing i can say in trading there is no special room for hardworking because we do not keep any effort here to make money and every we can say is based on the luck we have.

I agree.It would still be worthless for a gambler to make hardworks in gambling because it is not about a real profession,its only a form of entertainment.Gambling is mostly controlled by luck and not by the efforts being shown by the players.So hardwork will not really count in gambling.

Agree with this for game of chances. But for games based on skills hard work really counts. You need to know the rules, concentrate on the game and you should be able to know when is the time to raise the bet.

[Symphonized]

Bill Gates says he hires lazy people because they will always find the best way to do the least work and so find the most efficient process.  Compare that to this question and maybe the hard work is in not doing the simplest thing which is to bet always but to resist temptation and save yourself the loss sometimes.  The hard work is in when knowing to do less ? 

But gambling does not require hard work because I have seen some gamblers spending long hours in innovating new strategies but they never found a method to crack profits, yes all their hard works ended in vain.

And I've seen a lot who actually cracked it.

You mean by luck or pure experience

[ethereumhunter]

No, hard work? First it was not worth your time to work hard and learn how to to win in every single game. Smart playing of gambling counts it is how you will handle the amount of money you spend on you activity playing. You don't have to be a genius what you need to do is to make your own control and discipline in playing to attain your goals in playing gambling.

But to me I think that hard work is really count in some gambling, games, for example in sports gambling you need to study a lot get information about the teams , their players and to know about the conditions where the gambling is going to play previous history of the ground and much more therefore I think that hard work is really do work in some gambling games.

I think hard work in gambling is not like the hard work in the real jobs. and if you say that in sports gambling, you need to study to get a lot of information, then I think this is what you should do if you want to get in the sports game. I think we have a different opinion about the meaning of hard work in gambling and for me, it is different than the real jobs.

If you consider clicking and typing (assuming you are online gambling because you want to be alone and not be bothered) to be hardwork, then it is. If you plan to study and create your own casino, I think that’s the best way I could think of to have the hardwork that you’ve done, worth it. You cannot have steady winnings in casinos, so don’t push too hard, IMO.

yes, you are right and I agree with you. and because I don't have much money to create my casino, I will consider to playing the games because I don't want to do hard work in building the sites or else because I know that it will need big money. I don't chase the winnings on the casino, but if I can win the games, then I think it's because of my luck that helps me to win the game.

[wuvdoll]

Random results are obvious from gambling always hence targeting something with hard work is complete meaningless. No gamblers is ready to understand this fundamental of gambling that is the reason we are having such a topic of hard work for finding success in gambling.

Random results are teaching us to expect the unexpected from gambling. We may gamble with same set of everything but the results will be definite different. By considering this, on what basis we may put our efforts with gambling ? We may work hard but results will be something different from what we expect ? These are the reason why many veteran gamblers from this community always emphasizing about "accept whatever result you will be getting". Because only due to aiming for something and then chasing that and finally getting addicted is the consequence.

Hard work is good and must be appreciated but senseless hard work will definitely lead to ending up in vain. We may work hard for something to achieve but we must avoid working hard when we are well aware of how that work will result in.

[Janation]

Bill Gates says he hires lazy people because they will always find the best way to do the least work and so find the most efficient process.  Compare that to this question and maybe the hard work is in not doing the simplest thing which is to bet always but to resist temptation and save yourself the loss sometimes.  The hard work is in when knowing to do less ? 

But gambling does not require hard work because I have seen some gamblers spending long hours in innovating new strategies but they never found a method to crack profits, yes all their hard works ended in vain.

And I've seen a lot who actually cracked it.

You mean by luck or pure experience

If that is the case then I guess the might be millionaires by now. Cracking a gambling site, or let's say a casino is so hard. Most of the machines are rigged but that also supports the fact that it is hard to crack.

I think that is just pure luck since if that is a case, I don't think that casinos or gambling sites will be tolerating that wins or let's say bugs or hacks. Winning all the time is really suspicious for the securities and the owners so I guess that will be easy to see.

[worldofcoins]

In my opinion, hard work in gambling does not exist. I mean fair enough, you can be dedicated player with strategies in place and everything but at the end of the day the games are still based on probabilities and ultimately 'luck'.

[Meowth05]

For me it is needed but not necessarily because over in all luck is the best thing you need in this kind of platform. it is needed hard work in the way of effort, like you to hard work for your new strategies that could might be effective. There are some folks who use probability to foresight the future and we can call that is a hard working because computing the probability is not that easy.

[noormcs5]

Bill Gates says he hires lazy people because they will always find the best way to do the least work and so find the most efficient process.  Compare that to this question and maybe the hard work is in not doing the simplest thing which is to bet always but to resist temptation and save yourself the loss sometimes.  The hard work is in when knowing to do less ? 

But gambling does not require hard work because I have seen some gamblers spending long hours in innovating new strategies but they never found a method to crack profits, yes all their hard works ended in vain.

And I've seen a lot who actually cracked it.

Yes that is true. People who spend good time on gambling finds out different strategies to win and gain profit. Whether it be certain patterns or schemes they will not grantee 100% win but yet they are much better than random guesses.
If you ask my opinion of hard work on gambling, well i think basically its lot of money invested in gambling would be much more profitable along with much educated tips and tricks.

[ocid]

I am curious to know if someone continually invested a lot of time in studying a game involved in gambling, further if he had played the game a lot to understand the intricacies involved, then can we call him an expert in that gambling game? If we do call him an expert then we clearly differentiate his experience and expertise from that of a novice. This clearly shows that the person is capable of winning more as an expert than the novice who really does not have the in-depth understanding of the play.

This brings us to an interesting question if hard work in gambling really pays off? If one puts in a lot of efforts to understand a game involved in gambling, does it mean that all his time has gone down the drain? Certainly no. If gambling were simply a blind guess or a wild shot then even years of studying it makes it useless because one is simply guessing the outcome blindly. But such is not the scenario with gambling in reality. What makes hard work count in gambling?

This further sets off the question of addiction in gambling. Work can also be an addiction for many. But here the addiction could be for perfecting the game and the art of playing. This kind of addiction is to struggle every time for success by proper calculation and review. However, addiction can also be due to pure greed of winning with no clear knowledge of the game. If hard work counts, then we may actually find a solution for a healthier addiction towards success in gambling.

Of course it will not be in vain if we continue to focus on the gambling game that we will choose, the hard work we do will surely produce results. but I disagree with the explanation you give about addiction can improve the game, because people who have addictions in gambling certainly have different ways, some addictions because he is curious to win the game and there are also people who are addicted to gambling just to play and have fun .

[doomistake]

In my opinion it depends on what situation you are in, if you are winning in gambling then I could say that hard work will pays off but if it is the other way around I'm afraid hard work will not even matter or count for you to win, in fact you'll just lose your money if you are going to push your luck to your hard work. Though there are other ways on where you could put that hard work instead on playing gambling.

You could try other ways to earn money such as Trading, Investing on ICO, and so on, as long as you know that it is much safer than gambling, then grab the opportunity and earn more.

[KalaiBTC]

Bill Gates says he hires lazy people because they will always find the best way to do the least work and so find the most efficient process.  Compare that to this question and maybe the hard work is in not doing the simplest thing which is to bet always but to resist temptation and save yourself the loss sometimes.  The hard work is in when knowing to do less ? 

But gambling does not require hard work because I have seen some gamblers spending long hours in innovating new strategies but they never found a method to crack profits, yes all their hard works ended in vain.

And I've seen a lot who actually cracked it.

Well if there are, they all are appreciated for what efforts they have made here in this world of gambling. I often say there are exceptions everywhere but still we never had learnt about any single person who have spent his whole life in this world of gambling and his end is amazing. No, they are living miserable lives right now. They are now advising everyone to get away from this.

[TheUltraElite]

Hard work cannot be put in gambling. Because in gambling, your mind is working not your body. We can say that before getting that money, it comes from your sweat, blood, tears, and basically hard work. But that doesn't mean that you put hard work to win in gambling, because if you do, you are not into gambling.

Hard work what you mean is labourer's work. You should take into account that people try to have a real life job which is their "work" and gambling is a mode entertainment for those who like it. Its not that we can compare gambling to be a sort of work. Because it not so and it was never intended for such. Gambling should not be made as a primary source of income because of the risk involved and the possibility of bankruptcy.

Because in gambling, you must put your mind into it. You must think exceedingly without having a doubt. You must put your 101% of trust and money.

Not just that you also need to trust your luck and luck has a bad habit of creeping out of your hand just at the time you need it the most.

[tbterryboy]

In my opinion, hard work in gambling does not exist. I mean fair enough, you can be dedicated player with strategies in place and everything but at the end of the day the games are still based on probabilities and ultimately 'luck'.

This luck has taken away all such strategies and planning out from a gambler. Look, actually there is nothing other than luck in gambling. Every single gambler accepts this fact. They already know that might they not be lucky someday and loss would be sure for them. But still, they never listen to their minds. They always loss on unlucky days and lucky day comes very often.

[sunsilk]

In my opinion, hard work in gambling does not exist. I mean fair enough, you can be dedicated player with strategies in place and everything but at the end of the day the games are still based on probabilities and ultimately 'luck'.

Hard work can be applied to the strategies that you've been applying and testing.

And during the experimental period you can see some positive results and that is because of your hard work during the testing period.

Understanding that hard work is when you gamble all day long is wrong and this is what others think on what it is.

[Pamadar]

In my opinion, hard work in gambling does not exist. I mean fair enough, you can be dedicated player with strategies in place and everything but at the end of the day the games are still based on probabilities and ultimately 'luck'.

This luck has taken away all such strategies and planning out from a gambler. Look, actually there is nothing other than luck in gambling. Every single gambler accepts this fact. They already know that might they not be lucky someday and loss would be sure for them. But still, they never listen to their minds. They always loss on unlucky days and lucky day comes very often.

They still enjoying even they keep on losing, what inside their minds is time will come and luck will accompanied them and let them win big time, they keep trying to do their best finding ways to improving their skills, even small things that can give them extra edge they will try since they wanted to take chances to win over from this gambling activity.

[Ourplealis]

No, hard work? First it was not worth your time to work hard and learn how to to win in every single game. Smart playing of gambling counts it is how you will handle the amount of money you spend on you activity playing. You don't have to be a genius what you need to do is to make your own control and discipline in playing to attain your goals in playing gambling.

But to me I think that hard work is really count in some gambling, games, for example in sports gambling you need to study a lot get information about the teams , their players and to know about the conditions where the gambling is going to play previous history of the ground and much more therefore I think that hard work is really do work in some gambling games.

I think hard work in gambling is not like the hard work in the real jobs. and if you say that in sports gambling, you need to study to get a lot of information, then I think this is what you should do if you want to get in the sports game. I think we have a different opinion about the meaning of hard work in gambling and for me, it is different than the real jobs.

If you consider clicking and typing (assuming you are online gambling because you want to be alone and not be bothered) to be hardwork, then it is. If you plan to study and create your own casino, I think that’s the best way I could think of to have the hardwork that you’ve done, worth it. You cannot have steady winnings in casinos, so don’t push too hard, IMO.

yes, you are right and I agree with you. and because I don't have much money to create my casino, I will consider to playing the games because I don't want to do hard work in building the sites or else because I know that it will need big money. I don't chase the winnings on the casino, but if I can win the games, then I think it's because of my luck that helps me to win the game.

In some gambling formats we need to do hard work, we need to study a lot about it. For example in sports we can only become succeeded in gambling if we know about the player, we can only put bet on  a team if we have good information about their performance.

[BitBustah]

No one in this entire thread has even mentioned this!

It would be very hard work to analyze the numbers and find where the house doesn't have an edge.

This has happened before, even with the lottery. Purchasing a certain amount of tickets, if enough money was put in it, statistically returned more money.

The ROI was more than 15%

Here is the article: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/08/07/how-mit-students-scammed-the-massachusetts-lottery-for-8-million/


Similarly, if you do hard work in baiting the casinos you can feed off the wasted money of other people. Go in there "to gamble" spend almost no money, try to find a game that returns most of your money, enjoy free services.... Leave

Rinse and repeat at another casino.....

Maybe you can just do math on how to beat their games while drinking free water and enjoying free AC and music and then go on your way.... You saved money on AC and accommodation, you beat the odds.

Basically you have to be a parasite...

Working hard to find out how to cheat also works.... If you could somehow rig the jackpot, that would be very hard work and the ROI would be ludicrous. 

Any gambling business or casino that didn't have favorable odds would quickly go out of business.  I'm shocked that a lottery was actually in favor of the players in that case you posted.  In traditional gambling the house edge isn't that high but the government run lottery has absolutely terrible odds.