Merit source applications of senior members....

[vphasitha01]

I recently seen that crwth started a threadApplication For Merit Source [Philippines Local Board]. In that thread he is giving away his sMerits for the posts that saying just appreciation of his works. I have no intention to disagree with his merit source application or his contribution to the forum as a senior member. But the point I want to highlight is if any member(specially who willing to become merit source) giving away his/her sMerits for the posts that saying  "I am a supporter of your work, I agreed with your application...." that would be a big issue when we consider the future of Merit distribution. At least it is not ethical and believed it as a Merit abuse.



I think when someone want to be a Merit source,he/she should maintained thier high standard when it comes to the distribution of merit, Merit sources are shouldn't biased, The most importantly he/she should only give Merits which actually deserved. This is only my way of looking at a Merit source. I am more than happy to know what other members thinking about this.

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[The Cryptovator]

He can apply. I think also you can apply if you are potential
 and established  member around forum.

If you want to be a merit source:

 1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

Regarding local board theymos is more eager about local board to assign merit source.

 I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.
 

So there is no problem for apply. He will qualified or not it will decide by admin. Because admin will review post history of applicant.

About merit distribution admin also describe well,

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

A merit source should be follow above quote.

Regarding giveaway, can you pointed me where he announced he will send merit for support him ?  I can't find his post. But I saw on his thread he was given some merit for reply and that was not big. I think it's not much problem. Even it's look not fine.  But I think it will not prevent him to become merit source if his other condition is fine.

[LoyceV]

Agreed. This is a conflict of interest.
But I'm pretty sure theymos will notice this too, when considering his application.

When I had my Merit source application open, I made it a point to never Merit any of the posts in that thread.

[digaran]

You should tell this on his thread and not here.

[Maus0728]

Agreed. This is a conflict of interest.
But I'm pretty sure theymos will notice this too, when considering his application.

When I had my Merit source application open, I made it a point to never Merit any of the posts in that thread.

I thought that we can merit a post if they find that your post is useful and sometimes a hilarious one. I think its just a Filipino culture to show some kind of appreciation

[The Sceptical Chymist]

think its just a Filipino culture to show some kind of appreciation

You said it, not me.  If the person showing the appreciation disregards the obvious conflict of interest, then that's a problem.  If it were me applying to be a merit source, it would be obvious that I shouldn't give merits to those who were supporting my application in my thread.  That's a bad use of merits; I would expect a potential merit source to know that; and I wouldn't support a candidate who did that.

[Maus0728]

You said it, not me.  If the person showing the appreciation disregards the obvious conflict of interest, then that's a problem.  If it were me applying to be a merit source, it would be obvious that I shouldn't give merits to those who were supporting my application in my thread.  That's a bad use of merits; I would expect a potential merit source to know that; and I wouldn't support a candidate who did that.

I understand. Anyways, there is actually no restrictions to show some gratitude to those who show support in the application. I hope theymos and the others would understand that. By the way, thank you for your tip.

[Silent26]

But I saw on his thread he was given some merit for reply and that was not big. I think it's not much problem. Even it's look not fine.  But I think it will not prevent him to become merit source if his other condition is fine.

I agree.

You should tell this on his thread and not here.

I agree as well. This should be somehow discussed in his thread as the candidate really needs feedbacks from all of you.

Agreed. This is a conflict of interest.
But I'm pretty sure theymos will notice this too, when considering his application.

When I had my Merit source application open, I made it a point to never Merit any of the posts in that thread.

I'm one of the candidate's supporter who received merit from him from my post in his application thread but I didn't expect that he will Merit it. If it really is a conflict of interest then it would be a problem right? But in my own opinion, I can't see something wrong about it (but I can't deny if there really is something wrong). Well, he's still not a Merit Source that's why I believe that maybe he can still change it.
OP this is a good topic to discuss but we should discuss this in his thread. Maybe?

You said it, not me.  If the person showing the appreciation disregards the obvious conflict of interest, then that's a problem.  If it were me applying to be a merit source, it would be obvious that I shouldn't give merits to those who were supporting my application in my thread.  That's a bad use of merits; I would expect a potential merit source to know that; and I wouldn't support a candidate who did that.

Hmm. I see. Well, it's seems like most of you are against the candidate and I have no reason to argue. I can see no bad intentions from him and I believe that he can fulfil his responsibility as a Merit Source once he's been granted.
It's up to theymos if he will be given the opportunity of becoming a Merit Source and as a fellow citizen, I will keep lending my support.

[vphasitha01]

He can apply. I think also you can apply if you are potential
 and established  member around forum.

I have no intention to disagree with his merit source application or his contribution to the forum

I didn't say anywhare in my post that he couldn't apply. I think you just go through my post but not read it.

Regarding local board theymos is more eager about local board to assign merit source.

Agreed with both hands

So there is no problem for apply.

Again the same question . I don't understand who is here saying "there is a problem with his application" are you? Because I don't see any problem for applying. So I think you are just beat around the bush. Try to see the point which I am highlighting.

About merit distribution admin also describe well,

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

How do you miss this "not just posts that you agree with."

Regarding giveaway, can you pointed me where he announced he will send merit for support him ?  I can't find his post.

He didn't announce it in his thread. But "Actions speaks louder than words"

But I saw on his thread he was given some merit for reply and that was not big. I think it's not much problem.

It's called "conflict of interest" and I believed that is a big problem at least when you're requesting for become Merit source.

[LoyceV]

I'm one of the candidate's supporter who received merit from him from my post in his application thread but I didn't expect that he will Merit it. If it really is a conflict of interest then it would be a problem right?

By giving people an incentive to vouch for him, it's possible users vouch for him just to earn Merit. I don't know if this has happened or will happen in the future, but it's a conflict of interest I wouldn't want to risk.

[vphasitha01]

When I had my Merit source application open, I made it a point to never Merit any of the posts in that thread.

Actually I think that's how it should be ethically and technically.

I thought that we can merit a post if they find that your post is useful and sometimes a hilarious one.

Yes we can unless that thread created for the "Application for Merit source" . That's how I sees that. Sometimes I can be wrong.

I think its just a Filipino culture to show some kind of appreciation

I think you can give your appreciation to the Merit source applicant by giving few Merits for his thread, but the best appreciation can do by the Merit source applicant to the community who supports his application is not giving any sMerits for the replies of his thread. In that way he/she can enlighten the forum members that he knows about the value of Merits and how it should spend where actually deserved.

[Silent26]

By giving people an incentive to vouch for him, it's possible users vouch for him just to earn Merit. I don't know if this has happened or will happen in the future, but it's a conflict I wouldn't want to risk.

I got your point and there is no reason for me to disagree. It's just sad that the first candidate from our local board will be denied because of his own mistake. Well, I can't do anything to change the situation, it's already done, it's just up to theymos whether to accept his application or not. But still, wishing him luck.

Thanks for explaining LoyceV.

[crwth]

Agreed. This is a conflict of interest.
But I'm pretty sure theymos will notice this too, when considering his application.

When I had my Merit source application open, I made it a point to never Merit any of the posts in that thread.

Well, how can you say that posts are not receiving enough merit if you don't merit itself? In the Merit & new rank requirements theymos said to collect ten posts that are under merited, and if you believe that it should have more, why not give them such?

I'm one of the candidate's supporter who received merit from him from my post in his application thread but I didn't expect that he will Merit it. If it really is a conflict of interest then it would be a problem right?

By giving people an incentive to vouch for him, it's possible users vouch for him just to earn Merit. I don't know if this has happened or will happen in the future, but it's a conflict I wouldn't want to risk.

Are you sure that I'm giving an incentive? I just applied on my own and I didn't ask for any vouch from anyone and I certainly didn't expect that giving merit to something that adds value to the thread is a conflict. I don't want to have a conflict too, especially that I'm applying to be a merit source.

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I think when someone want to be a Merit source,he/she should maintained thier high standard when it comes to the distribution of merit, Merit sources are shouldn't biased, The most importantly he/she should only give Merits which actually deserved. This is only my way of looking at a Merit source. I am more than happy to know what other members thinking about this.

I know the responsibilities and the distribution of the merit should be equal. I'm not biased in the posts that I have given merit, I gave them because I believe that there is. I collected ten posts that are under merited and why shouldn't I give the posts that I applied with to not be given? I think the posts that I have included are definitely deserving for their posts.

[LoyceV]

Well, how can you say that posts are not receiving enough merit if you don't merit itself? In the Merit & new rank requirements theymos said to collect ten posts that are under merited, and if you believe that it should have more, why not give them such?

This thread is not about the 10 posts you choose to apply with, it's about the posts/vouches in your thread that you merited.

Are you sure that I'm giving an incentive?

Yes. By giving a reward to vouches, you give an incentive, even if you didn't ask for them.
I can't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure that's why you have a reply like this in your thread:

do you really want to be a merit source ?
it's a brave friend. being a merit source not only gives merit to constructive and innovative posts but also gives post examples that are useful for forum members.
btw I really support you fully friends. you dare. Good luck

I collected ten posts that are under merited and why shouldn't I give the posts that I applied with to not be given?

Again: nobody is questioning your Merit on any of those 10 posts.

[vphasitha01]

I know the responsibilities and the distribution of the merit should be equal.

Thats great and happy to heard out the story from your side. Hope you understand that I'm highlighting only one perticular issue regarding the distribution of Merits in your own thread, which created for the Merit source application.

I'm not biased in the posts that I have given merit, I gave them because I believe that there is.

There is what? "Just saying I agreed..., Gud luck mate..., I support you..."

I collected ten posts that are under merited and why shouldn't I give the posts that I applied with to not be given? I think the posts that I have included are definitely deserving for their posts.

Absolutely yes and give them Merits. I also believed they are under merited and deserved more.

[crwth]

Well, how can you say that posts are not receiving enough merit if you don't merit itself? In the Merit & new rank requirements theymos said to collect ten posts that are under merited, and if you believe that it should have more, why not give them such?

This thread is not about the 10 posts you choose to apply with, it's about the posts/vouches in your thread that you merited.

I’m sorry I was just surprised with what’s happening. Well, I just saw that it made feel happy reading their replies. I don’t merit just because they say they support me, I do it because their replies are good. It’s one, not twenty merit. If you think a post adds value, then go for it, merit.

Are you sure that I'm giving an incentive?

Yes. By giving a reward to vouches, you give an incentive, even if you didn't ask for them.
I can't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure that's why you have a reply like this in your thread:

do you really want to be a merit source ?
it's a brave friend. being a merit source not only gives merit to constructive and innovative posts but also gives post examples that are useful for forum members.
btw I really support you fully friends. you dare. Good luck

For that one, i don’t know. Probably he or she is trying to post well but doesn’t know English very much.

I collected ten posts that are under merited and why shouldn't I give the posts that I applied with to not be given?

Again: nobody is questioning your Merit on any of those 10 posts.

Yeah, I was surprised by this thread and I’m not implying anything when I gave merit to the messages/vouches.  

[vphasitha01]

I don’t merit just because they say they support me, I do it because their replies are good.

Yeah everything is comparative. So we can say they are good if we compare with them posts in ANN threads or shitposters or oneliners posts saying "good project, go to the moon..etc" . I feeled like they are not added any value to the conversation.

It’s one, not twenty merit. If you think a post adds value, then go for it, merit.

It's not about the "number" mate, it's about the principle of merit distribution.

do you really want to be a merit source ?
it's a brave friend. being a merit source not only gives merit to constructive and innovative posts but also gives post examples that are useful for forum members.
btw I really support you fully friends. you dare. Good luck

For that one, i don’t know. Probably he or she is trying to post well but doesn’t know English very much.

[/u]"doesn't know English very much" you still giving away your Merit, do you think that will added value to the international forum like bitcointalk and does it encourage people to learn English?( I'm not saying I'm good at English, I'm also learning since it's not my native language) Lastly do you believed anyother Merit source will Merit this kind of posts? If "Jetcash" sees these kind of replies he surely ignore that member.^[1]

However at the end of the day it's your Merit. You have full right to spend those since those Merits were earned by your reputation and giving good contribution to the forum. I have a respect for that

Yeah, I was surprised by this thread and I’m not implying anything when I gave merit to the messages/vouches.  

May be your intentions are true and honest, but the problem is this kind of incentives will motivate others (members who are hoping to become merit sources) to do the same in future which I believed as a disaster.


[1]- Edited and I think I owe you an apology since the part of my post was incorrect which was now strucked through ( I correct my mistake )

[Lan75]

I want to highlight is if any member(specially who willing to become merit source) giving away his/her sMerits for the posts that saying  "I am a supporter of your work, I agreed with your application...." that would be a big issue when we consider the future of Merit distribution.

Got your point there mate, but for now he is giving away the smerits that he have not as a merit source.

that would be a big issue when we consider the future of Merit distribution. At least it is not ethical and believed it as a Merit abuse.

I hope that his point of view will change a little bit with regards to giving merit when he becomes a Merit source but then again it would be his discretion as we don't have a clear distinguishing factor on what quality post is.

I think when someone want to be a Merit source,he/she should maintained thier high standard when it comes to the distribution of merit, Merit sources are shouldn't biased,

At the end of the day, it would be Theymos' decision to accept his application or not. For sure Theymos will review if crwth is qualified or not.

I support crwth's application as Merit source as his focus would be on the local board. Existing Merit sources don't visit Philippines local board maybe because of language barrier, so there is no chance that posts there can be merited.

Hi I’m crwth. I’m applying to become a merit source. The merit distribution in the local board Philippines are not that big and I want to help by focusing most of the merit to be distributed on our local board, Philippines, to help my countrymen and improve the quality of posts with merit.

[Jet Cash]

I don't think merits should be awarded in any application thread, or in any bounty announcement thread  either.

When I first started to award merits, I avoided making any awards in threads that I had started, I felt that was unethical, and I know that a couple of other sources felt the same way. I've now changed my opinion about this, and if a person makes a great post in a thread that I've started, then I am pleased to give him some merit. I don't make awards to sycophantic posts though, or as a response to merit requests.

[Lan75]

I don't think merits should be awarded in any application thread, or in any bounty announcement thread  either.

It shouldn't be, but we can't control them when to pull the trigger.