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Author Topic: Bitmex/Derebit Tips - How to not lose your house and maybe even make some money  (Read 2628 times)
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November 05, 2018, 04:53:46 AM
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Almost longed 6330 as things were looking juicy but felt too risky Sad

This still looks like it has some room to go. Maybe 6550?
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November 05, 2018, 05:27:07 AM
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when you trade at a bitmex exchange or other exchange place you should be able to take advantage of price movements in the exchange and try to always get a lot of profits so don't lower their traders just using the existing facilities.
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November 06, 2018, 05:47:48 AM
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6550 still seems possible, but 6420 seems to be a bit of a block. Scared to long here in fear of a quick 6050 drop. Sitting out tonight for sure.
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November 08, 2018, 06:20:20 AM
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Sometimes I wish I listened to my own calls. Currently short at 6520 rather than 6550 like I should be!
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November 10, 2018, 04:43:52 PM
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Long at $6330 but will likely be a somewhat short one.
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November 12, 2018, 05:03:24 PM
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Might take profit at 6370 or 6430. Depends on how today goes.
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November 13, 2018, 06:33:47 AM
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Fortunately got out of that pretty early. Now long at 6285.
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November 14, 2018, 06:42:00 AM
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I opened a short at 6315 and exited all my alt coin positions last night. This seems obvious to retest the lower 6000's again. Will keep an eye to see if anything changes my mind.
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November 14, 2018, 10:32:14 AM
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I’ve had a ridiculous experience with Bitmex, both fun and depressing, but I think I’m finally getting a grip on it, so I wanted to share some things I’ve learned. For clarity, when I first started using Bitmex, I lost about 3 BTC over the course of a month because I had no idea what I was doing and I’m an idiot. Since then however, I’ve taken .06 BTC and I’m currently at 2.7 BTC from Bitmex alone in a few weeks. It has the potential to make you rich, but also super broke. Do not take it lightly.

If you've never used Bitmex before, you can read my original newbie guide on how to start using Bitmex here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/84stai/bitmex_for_dummies_leveraged_trading_longshorts/

Also a reminder, you get 10% off fees if you sign up with a referral code. If you already signed up and didn’t use one, email support and ask them to apply one, it's pretty quick and definitely worth the 2 minute hassle. Would appreciate if you use mine, but just make sure you use something to get the 10% off: "http://bitmex.com/register/BCCNeF"

1. Maker vs Taker: I wasted SO much money on fees originally before I knew about this. Market buying/selling means you pay a fee and based on the last point that is very expensive. If you set limit orders and choose the "post-only" option, you will only place an order if it doesn't execute immediately. If the price hits your mark, you'll actually receive fees rather than paying them. While that seems super small, as mentioned when working with high leverages it adds up a LOT. Fees are based on leverage, so if you’re cross or 100x, you’d literally pay 7.5% just to open an order. At 100k contracts, this is nearly .01 BTC.
2. Cross Leverage: Far left on the leverage slider. This is 100x leverage, but it uses your entire wallet balance as margin. If you have 1 BTC and you open a position worth .1 BTC, on normal 100x leverage, your liquidation would be ~$60 away from your entry price. With Cross, you have .9 BTC as margin, meaning your liquidation would be about $600 away from your entry. Nearly everybody uses this because it helps guard against those fluctuations where you have the right call, but you got liquidated right before. It does mean you can lose 300% or 700% of your money though, so be warned, use stop losses.
3. Funding: In the bottom left of Bitmex, there’s a “Funding Rate”. Every now and then, this will get ridiculously high (i.e. if everyone is longing, and no one is shorting) and play a massive part in the landscape. If the fee is positive and you have a long open, you will pay that fee every 8 hours. If you have a short open in that situation, you get paid that fee. On 100k contracts and a .2 fee, this is .02 BTC, which isn’t bad at all. More importantly beyond the fee though is the pump/dump around it. In the case of a positive .2 fee, the price on Bitmex will tank ~30 minutes before funding (because everyone is closing their longs to avoid the fee) and the second that funding goes through it will skyrocket. Often times it’s worth it to pay the fee just for the price bump afterwards, but I’d honestly recommend just having no position if there’s a massive funding fee coming up.
4. DCA and Small loss vs Big one: There’s two schools of thought to a losing trade. You can dollar cost average, meaning, if I enter long at $9500 and it goes down, I can add more at $9400 to get my entry to $9450. This sometimes works beautifully if you truly believe it goes up. However, the flipside to that is that you add at $9400 and it then goes to $9200. That’s nearly a 300% loss. Adding at stoploss at let’s say $9430 would have lost you 80% instead. But there are times where your stop loss triggers and it shoots up right after. You need to make a decision in these situations how you’re going to handle it. I’ve done days where I make .2 BTC four days in a row and feel great, but then lose 1 BTC all because of one bad trade I refused to get out of and it’s all nullified.
5. Wait for entry and pre-set orders: Bitmex swings HARD. If Bitfinex has a $100 candle, Bitmex may have a $200 candle, solely because of overloaded blocking people from new orders meaning only orders on the books before the big candle are counted. Never, ever, ever, try to catch a candle. By the time your order goes through, it’s too late and you’ll likely be stuck with a terrible entry as it’s about to retrace. Additionally, use this to your advantage. If you expect a $100 pump, put your take profit close at $170 above, or a take profit earlier and then open a short at $170 above with expectations for a retrace. Even outside these large pumps, jumping into a wave is almost always a bad idea. If you miss an entry, just be patient. Missed profit is better than losing money.
6.Signals: You should learn how to do your own TA, but there’s also lots of Twitter guys/Discord groups that provide signals. One thing you’ll find is they never agree on anything. Don’t trust any single person because every single one will brag about how much money they’re making, but they can and will be wrong. Use them as guidelines, but not gospel

Great post for newbies
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November 18, 2018, 05:05:35 PM
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Well I was 100% right but jumped back in way too earlier. Very surprised it went this low. Should bounce back to 6k but who knows at this point.
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November 22, 2018, 04:17:05 PM
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I got absolutely blasted. Wrecked multiple times. Lesson learned, quit trying to catch the bounce. I'm making smaller, quick trades right now because I have absolutely no idea where this is going. I'm hoping for another 4k test.
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November 23, 2018, 06:04:25 AM
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Longing 4080 here I think
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December 13, 2018, 07:13:10 PM
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Took a bit of a hiatus. Bitmex cracked down on US users and the uncertainty of it made me pause a bit. I'm still using Bitmex a bit, but had to make new accounts.

I've switched primarily to Derebit (https://www.deribit.com/reg-4025.4455 for 10% off fees!). The fees are less there and there's no System Overloaded crap. However, the volume is much lower so it takes some getting used to.

Looking to long 3320 here.
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December 17, 2018, 07:06:30 PM
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Was able to DCA down and just took a hefty profit at 3430. Expecting a bit of a retrace.
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December 23, 2018, 06:05:33 AM
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Need to do a better job updating this! Been getting used to Derebit and not having to worry about system overload, has definitely altered mytrading strategy!

The long at 3250 was great, but took profit WAY too early. Currently playing swings. Possibly looking for a relong at 3650ish.
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December 23, 2018, 07:23:51 AM
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yes there seems to be a lot of price play and a lot of bitcoin price manipulation happens there so you should be able to be careful when you want to trade in an exchange place, you should first investigate how to work at the exchange.
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December 26, 2018, 06:26:47 AM
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Got in at 3720. Holding this until 3900 I think.
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December 27, 2018, 04:12:13 PM
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Took profit at 3770. Indicators needed a reset. Might try to relong at 3700.
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December 28, 2018, 09:15:21 PM
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Feelsgoodman. Profit at 3900. Sitting out for a bit. This is unpredictable as hell right now.
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December 29, 2018, 06:25:27 PM
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Triangle is really tightening up. I'm really hoping for a 3650 but not sure.
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