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I don't have any concrete plans for this at all, but I've been thinking recently that the Bitcoin community desperately needs some high-quality, unbiased online courses, and perhaps bitcointalk.org would be a good place to host such a thing. This is just a brainstorming thread.

Example courses that come to mind:


Introductory cryptocurrency investing
 - The main focus would be not getting scammed and not losing all of your money.
 - It would be very careful not to endorse any particular sites, investments, or trading methods.
 - Overall extremely conservative, to balance out all of the pump around here.
 - It might be similar to the sort of material on investor.gov, but less authoritarian (eg. no "only trust SEC-approved things") and with more cryptocurrency focus.
 Using English naturally online
 - Tips targeted at non-native English speakers for acting naturally online.
Being a constructive bitcointalk.org member
Making money online
 - SANE tips for making money, especially for people in less-developed countries. No unwise things like gambling or high-risk investing, and no non-constructive things like spamming the forum with garbage.
Basic cryptocurrency concepts
Accepting Bitcoin payments
Implementing Bitcoin
 - A long & advanced course on implementing a Bitcoin-like cryptocurrency largely from scratch in Python or another easy language. (Some of my best courses in university had this model, where you're provided a bunch of library code and then you glue it together by writing a few hundred lines for each assignment, at the end of the course getting some sort of complete thing.)
 


Some different/modified software would be needed. The existing threads structure is not at all suitable. Neither are wiki pages, since they're too easily messed-with. Maybe some suitable online-course software already exists. It'd be cool if the courses were internally gamified a bit, maybe with "achievements" and stuff. And it could be integrated with the main forum, eg. giving you badges on your profile if you completed a course.

A real challenge, which I'm not exactly sure how to solve, would be to keep them up-to-date, accurate, and unbiased. 99.9% of introductory cryptocurrency info on the Internet is basically an advertisement for something, and therefore not very useful. If anyone could create a course and publish it on equal standing with the other courses, then we'd end up with a huge pile of altcoin-pump courses, "how to make money using totally-safe HYIPs", and stuff like that. But if courses are only written by trusted & competent people after significant mod review, then only a limited number of courses could be created, and they'd probably quickly become outdated. Perhaps it'd work to do a github-style pull-request format led by some trustworthy editors. (Github could even be used, though that's pretty difficult to use for people not already familiar with git.)

Thoughts?

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July 06, 2018, 05:14:33 AM
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I don't have any concrete plans for this at all, but I've been thinking recently that the Bitcoin community desperately needs some high-quality, unbiased online courses, and perhaps bitcointalk.org would be a good place to host such a thing. This is just a brainstorming thread.

I'd like to assume this is because of my thread asking for consolidation/recognition of education threads?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4511686

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July 06, 2018, 05:33:41 AM
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I like the idea a lot. The challenge as I see it is less in creating the content, however, and more in getting people to use it.

Of the topics you've listed a number of them already have guide threads stickied in various places. People don't read them. Just look at Jet Cash's excellent Fit To Talk project which was struggling to find participants, even with the promise of some merit on the line.

Having said that, if we are looking at this not just as a way of improving the forum, but also as a way of improving the entire crypto community, it's a great idea.

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July 06, 2018, 05:39:35 AM
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I do not know if the forum has the structure needed for something like that. There are thousands of other structures much better prepared.

But I believe that the forum could be used to debate more ideas and concepts between people who do not totally dominate a subject. That is, they could have specific sections, with suggestions of supporting materials and guides where the average user could discuss the subject and study more about. Maybe with designated tutors. Experts on a given subject, helping and moderating.

I, for example, do not understand practically anything about most of the new protocols or about second layer solutions in Bitcoin. Having a section targeted with a roadmap and many reading suggestions plus a dedicated space for discussions could be interesting.

And as it is a brainstorming, I leave as a suggestion that courses on economics could be very interesting as well. Especially about game theory. One of the most spectacular courses on this subject and that is free can be found here:

https://youtu.be/nM3rTU927io
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July 06, 2018, 05:41:34 AM
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Just look at Jet Cash's excellent Fit To Talk project which was struggling to find participants, even with the promise of some merit on the line.

I chatted with JetCash about these services.

He has great ideas, but they will not succeed without a strong user base.  Instead of making people create another account, leverage the account they already own, and attach services to that.  He needs to build tools that people can use on this forum.


I do not know if the forum has the structure needed for something like that. There are thousands of other structures much better prepared.

Good point.  Go where the members and structure are...

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July 06, 2018, 06:22:09 AM
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The first thing that crossed my mind is a mandatory course to anyone who wish to earn money through bounty on this forum: how to behave, how to post, etc.



Instead of making people create another account, leverage the account they already own, and attach services to that.  He needs to build tools that people can use on this forum.

This is an important point, and definitely the way to go. It's always more efficient and productive to encourage people instead of blaming them. People would take better care of their account (and credential) with their hard earned merit, courses, trust, etc.

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So if we are saying that it's best to create tools that are linked to forum accounts, but also saying that the forum is not the best medium to deliver these courses, then we need to find a platform that can support such courses and that can be linked to forum accounts.

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I do not know if the forum has the structure needed for something like that. There are thousands of other structures much better prepared.

I don’t agree with that. Many years ago, I learned how to play poker on a forum, and a made good money as a result. There are other educational forums about finances as well. I think a forum; well-structured it is an ideal place for those courses. You can have articles and videos and structure them in different levels, where you can't unlock the next level if you haven't passed the previous one.

I quite like Theymos’ idea.

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Regarding the existing online courses I can suggest EDX1 as a platform.
Just to add here that edx is free2 platform for online education and certification provided by the world leading universities and organisations like MIT, Boston university, Linux Foundation etc.
Most of the courses are free, you pay only for certificate /world wide accepted/ if you want one.

Course: Bitcoin and Cryptocurrencies
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Learn the fundamentals of Bitcoin and the Cryptocurrency space, including the basics of smart contracts, the Ethereum platform and how to build decentralized applications.

Course: Blockchain: Understanding Its Uses and Implications
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Understand exactly what a blockchain is, its impact and potential for change around the world, and analyze use cases in technology, business, and enterprise products and institutions.

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1 I do not advertise the mentioned above website, I just want to share my experience with you. If you feel that is not acceptable,I'll just delete my post.

2 With "free" I mean you have access almost all the courses and at the end you can decide by yourself if you want to pay for certificate or not. There are some professional courses where you have to pay to enroll like this one, but still it is a good opportunity.


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July 06, 2018, 06:55:01 AM
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Great ideas, Theymos.
I will strongly support bitcointalk online courses if you decide implementing it in the future.
Something like online courses in Coursera platform, and has different pay gates, BTC, LTC, Doge, ETH, etc. for learners.


Weeks ago, I had a idea to make a collection (an ebook, exactly), which collect main topics of the forum.
I would like to create a textbook, or guideline, anything you think a relevant name for it, I order to help forum users can learn, get ideas, skills, experiences from others, especially from available helpful topics.
Of course, forum members can do it by themselves, but they can only do this if they have Internet connections on train, buses, during vacations, etc.
It is the main reasons why I thought of creating a guideline book for off-line situation.



Nevertheless, doing this requires lots of time, and I am not sure whether this guideline will potentially violate both forum rules and copy rights.
Consequently, I didn't not make it.

Do you have any ideas or suggestions, Theymos.
If you claim that such guideline book will not violate forum rules, I gonna start doing this. Grin
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Thank you for the very useful collections on books, courses, websites, @iasenko.
By the way, congratulations and it's really good to see you ranked up to Senior Member, months after the launch day of merit system.

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July 06, 2018, 07:14:05 AM
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Are you really expecting spammers wont take advantage? signatures are the main reason why this forum wont be as good before.Merit system is working but how about your merit sources? do you really think we have enough? do not create another spam-machine shits,give the people/users in this forum some good reason why they should keep using bitcointalk.

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July 06, 2018, 07:15:16 AM
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This could be done with Powerpoint-like software fairly easily once the content is created.

It would probably be beneficial to have Bitcoin-related history courses about scams, thefts and losses in Bitcoin's early days. This ideally would help people from falling into these same traps.

It might be a good idea to invest some of the forum's money into buying licenses of courses focused on teaching english, including english grammar. The benefits of this should be obvious, and completion of this course could be used as a way to reduce the duration of some bans.

It would be beneficial for adoption to have courses related to how to buy, store, and use Bitcoin from a consumer point of view. This course would go over everything from choosing an exchange to choosing wallet software to figuring out an appropriate fee to pay while at a physical store.

I am generally opposed to "investment guides" as anyone who "invests" via cryptocurrency should have near-expert level of understanding of crypto, business, and how to perform due diligence and this expertise should be obtained from multiple sources and the accuracy of said information should be independently verified.

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July 06, 2018, 07:22:45 AM
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Exactly this is a great idea. Since I have joined this forum I work always fight against scammer and spammers. Of curse some members have created some guidelines but it wasn't focused as well. Those thing you are pointed here exactly I was looking for that. Specially newcomer and who have not much idea about crypto it will be most helpful for them. Introductory cryptocurrency investing is more important for now. Because many people are getting scamed by investing. So if your idea implement then it will be very helpful.
Anyway here is many members know about software you need. They might be help about that. Just need to be verify. Hope your idea will be implemented.

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July 06, 2018, 07:58:28 AM
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Some different/modified software would be needed. The existing threads structure is not at all suitable. Neither are wiki pages, since they're too easily messed-with. Maybe some suitable online-course software already exists. It'd be cool if the courses were internally gamified a bit, maybe with "achievements" and stuff. And it could be integrated with the main forum, eg. giving you badges on your profile if you completed a course.
Would it still be on this same domain, with the same login? I would prefer that.

The benefits of this should be obvious, and completion of this course could be used as a way to reduce the duration of some bans.
I like it! Give shitposters a chance to redeem themselves, making an effort instead of just dumb spamming.


I'm offering my help in creating or proofreading parts of the courses.

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July 06, 2018, 08:23:15 AM
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Here is how this can be achieved on this forum :

1) Creating a section here where members can add such information under various headings. They can be encouraged with merits or some monetary rewards.

2) Having some strict measures to deal with spam in that section.

3) Regarding having course related to "Make money online", you should reconsider that as it will dilute the forum in my opinion.
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July 06, 2018, 08:43:34 AM
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My initial reaction is along the lines of "Wow, massively ambitious, good luck with that".

As you raise this structural problem regarding the current forum format, it has to be asked whether the new forum software could be more suitable for this?
Could there be a way of getting something up and running by using the current resources, i.e. authoritative existing posts, collected together by some mechanism (maybe a use for the merit system?) into something akin to a dynamic "Read this" sticky for each sub forum?
Just a couple of thoughts.

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July 06, 2018, 08:55:25 AM
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@Theymos

You are welcome to copy and use any of the content in any of my projects if you think they will help Bitcoin Talk.
I've got a partial list on this page - http://talkmerit.com/projects/

The Onkly project ( core node and mining experiments) is inchoate, and I haven't completed the introductory page yet. I'm quite excited by this one, as it will help me to decide if I should create a new coin.

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July 06, 2018, 09:03:30 AM
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The gamified structure of the education about cryptocurrencies would really help boost the number of possible users to be there. The entertainment approach is typically the ones that people like and do (based on experience). The trust-building network should really be strict and know that it would only be quality content courses. Probably some of the people that would make their own can submit their approach and then evaluate.

My thoughts would be:
  • Games/Trivia - There could be a trivia like people would join and participate every related thing/lesson to bitcoin and just answer. It's like a game show that features the bitcointalk and every established member with the highest achievement
  • Masterclass - the approach of a masterclass that it is separated into lessons and exercises would need to be submitted and evaluate if the student is learning or not.
  • Basic work - The part of the making money online. Provide simple objectives like Encoding an excel, latest news (with sources), research, etc.
  • Building Connections - we all have different ways on connecting with other people, probably there could be a way to integrate our real life to help mutually benefit each other towards a personal goal or something.



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There are plenty of free platforms online for creating and sharing courses - Udemy, Teachable, Google Open Education, etc. The challenge will be to integrate the platform with the forum - I doubt any existing software would offer this functionality.

Maybe Quickseller's suggestion of PowerPoint style courses would be more easy to integrate?

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