Bitcoin Forum
August 20, 2017, 11:54:27 AM *
News: Latest stable version of Bitcoin Core: 0.14.2  [Torrent].
 
   Home   Help Search Donate Login Register  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Contradicting requirements - how to extract most out of BTC!  (Read 1124 times)
gopher
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 135


View Profile
September 29, 2011, 10:30:53 AM
 #1

There are two fundamental requirements for the value/behaviour of the BTC - from two virtually opposing groups of users - and they clearly contradict to each other.

1. The miners would like to see the value of the BTC to be continuously and steadily rising, ideally without any fluctuations - the greater the gain in value over certain period, the higher the profits the miners can realise when they sell their Bitcoins.

2. The speculators, on the other hand, would like to see the value of the BTC be as low as possible (but still be just above the cost of mining), but what excites them most is the trend, which should fluctuate as wildly as possible - the greater the fluctuation, the higher the profits the speculators can make when they trade many times over the shortest period of time.

I started as miner at the time the difficulty was not that great. At the time I've looked at speculating, but did not trust my understanding of this market - I thought it was not safe for me to invest cash into it, as everyone was telling me how difficult and dangerous the speculation is, especially if you don't know what you are doing.

Hence I've started building my BTC wealth by mining for them in a pool.

While mining I've joined many others in their frustrations, i.e. looking the value of BTC raise steadily over a year or so, then violently jump up and down (eventually mostly down) until that made me dizzy and even more frustrated.

Then it suddenly occurred to me - I don't need to get mad - just change and adapt the requirements I have from the BTC and it's market.

As a miner I was glued on the value line and I was expecting it to grow, as I could not see how could I possibly make money from the BTC reducing it's value or the value fluctuating so wildly that one could not use it as a medium of exchange.

I thought that I must change my perspective and understand all aspects of BTC value - before declaring that mining BTC's is not as clever idea as I thought it was when I started.

Realising that mining is only one side of the Bitcoin, I rushed to read as much as possible on investing in currency markets, particularly finding the most basic strategies, the idiot-proof-models to start speculating without loosing my precious stash in this.

From there on it was quite easy for me - I waited for a steady period in the BTC trend and sold small number of BTCs (not affecting the market), set number of reasonable orders (both buy and sell, staggered symmetrically around the value I sold my BTCs at) and wait until it start swinging again.

The first time I waited for the roller-coaster only 4-5 days (the average waiting time later was about a week or two, but you can see the history of the value of BTC yourself, and build your own understanding of what will be ahead), but the volatility lasted about same length before it stabilised - and for that short period I've made speculating more BTCs as profit than when I mined for the whole past month!

So, here is my advise - don't get stuck with one way of extracting the utility value out of Bitcoin - set yourself to explore ALL opportunities the young BTC market has presented to you.

1. When the market is steady and above your cost of mining, mine, as there is nothing else you can do to extract value out of BTC.

2. When the market goes crazy, start speculating - the more violent the value of the Bitcoin is, the higher the profits you will realise - if you don't do something extremely stupid like buying high and selling low (it has happened times and times again)

3. When the market calms, sit back, count the new chickens, and go and check that the mining rig has not hanged or something, as now will be the time to live (go and get laid, check if there are new gadgets you can consider buying, or check e-bay for any loosers selling their rigs out of despair)

4. So here is my advice - don't be a MINER or a SPECULATOR - be BOTH, at the right time!

5. Eventually, very soon, you will find yourself in BTC nirvana!

If you find this advice useful, don't just enjoy it, say thank you by throwing some bone in my direction: 1M8wpSfQSVPeXbizWAqQBkBxDYzicEKqMt

1503230067
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1503230067

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1503230067
Reply with quote  #2

1503230067
Report to moderator
1503230067
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1503230067

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1503230067
Reply with quote  #2

1503230067
Report to moderator
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction. Advertise here.
1503230067
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1503230067

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1503230067
Reply with quote  #2

1503230067
Report to moderator
1503230067
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1503230067

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1503230067
Reply with quote  #2

1503230067
Report to moderator
kjj
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1302



View Profile
September 29, 2011, 04:50:29 PM
 #2

Just be warned, speculating isn't easy.  If you don't know what you are doing, you will get burned.

p2pcoin: a USB/CD/PXE p2pool miner - 1N8ZXx2cuMzqBYSK72X4DAy1UdDbZQNPLf - todo
I routinely ignore posters with paid advertising in their sigs.  You should too.
gopher
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 135


View Profile
September 30, 2011, 07:17:15 AM
 #3

Nothing in live is easy - and if you don't know what you are doing, you will get burned by any venture you go into. That's not a secret.

Stating the obvious is just plain offensive

I still laugh when I see hard-core miners constantly screaming that Bitcoin does not need speculators and the Bitcoin market will do just well if only miners sold their Bitcoins to ... whom? ... other miners? ... merchants? ... who do not need to buy Bitcoins ... it does not make any sense, really.

But have you noticed, all speculators constantly encourage the miners to mine more and more so the market stays saturated with Bitcoins, the value stays low (because of supply exceeding the demand) so the speculators can buy more Bitcoins with their currency and flip them orders like there is no tomorrow.

If the value of the Bitcoin goes up, the speculators are not happy because they can buy less coins to trade, but they are also not that unhappy - the higher value allows them to gain more with the same percentage. Well, when the value of Bitcoin raises, the only thing that it does to speculators is sorting boys from men - and the experienced speculators (the market makers) need boys in the trade so they can "enhance" their trades.

But that is how one learns a trade - by paying school fees. Nothing dangerous here.

On thing that I observed is the fact that miners are quite clever - they know how to build and configure rigs to mine Bitcoins out of thin air.

The speculators on the other hand are not as clever, they barely manage to spell Bitcoin correctly, and they get completely confused by the sat-nav systems in their posh sports cars. But they have capital, they are prepared to risk it and they know a method or two to of how to make money without building any rigs.

And sooner people understand this difference, it ill be better for everyone, a miner or speculator. Because to do what most miners do now is silly, and definitely not sustainable.

Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Sponsored by , a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!