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February 12, 2014, 01:03:46 PM
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Bitstamp, one of the largest bitcoin exchanges in the world--if not the largest--today became the second major firm to suspend customer withdrawals of bitcoins from their accounts, or "wallets."

The firm's action follows a similar freeze last week by Mt. Gox, another major exchange firm. In both cases the firms attributed the suspensions to the need to address a technicality in the bitcoin system known as "transaction malleability." Neither firm has said when transactions will resume.

In simple terms, transaction malleability could allow someone to spend bitcoins twice, which is tantamount to counterfeiting the virtual currency. That's an eventuality that bitcoin aficionados always have suggested is impossible in the algorithm-driven bitcoin system, because every transfer ostensibly has to be validated before it's completed.

Plainly, there's a way around the validation, though it's not simple. The Bitcoin Foundation, the informal body that oversees system standards (but has no enforcement capabilities), issued a statement Monday acknowledging that "transaction malleability has been known about since 2011" and that it's "something that cannot be corrected overnight." It urges exchange firms to implement their own validation technologies.
Slovenia-based Bitstamp's announcement said specifically that it was suffering "a denial-of-service attack using transaction malleability to temporarily disrupt balance checking."

(UPDATE: The Bitcoin Foundation is treating the denial-of-service attacks as akin to malicious mischief, rather than attempts to counterfeit bitcoins or steal users' funds. In a statement issued late today, the foundation said "whoever is doing this is not stealing coins, but is succeeding in preventing some transactions from confirming. It’s important to note that DoS attacks do not affect people’s bitcoin wallets or funds.")

A denial-of-service attack usually means that someone is inundating a system with so much online traffic that the system crashes. Reading between the lines, this sounds as though someone is sending so many bitcoin transfer orders through Bitstamp that it can't validate the transactions or be sure about how many bitcoins are in its customers' wallets. So its only option was to shut down bitcoin withdrawals and deposits until it can work its way through the assault.

Transaction malleability is not the only technical flaw in the bitcoin system. What's important is that, leaving aside what financial issues might exist at Mt. Gox and Bitstamp that might also interfere with customer transactions, the suspensions suggest that bitcoin trading has now become so big that these flaws matter.  

At the moment, it's looking as though they matter enough to place a hard limit on the usefulness of bitcoins. The suspensions may be only growing pains, but if they're seen to be serious enough, bitcoin growth may end. And if other flaws in the system become equally troublesome obstructions, bitcoins will be over.

As Boston University finance expert Mark T. Williams told us the other day, "the cracks are starting to show." if these problems aren't solved quickly and decisively, customers will evaporate. That points to how the supposedly paramount virtue of the bitcoin system may be its biggest shortcoming: no one's in charge.


http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-bitcoin-a-new-rip-20140211,0,1065852.story#ixzz2t72IDpei
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February 12, 2014, 01:05:47 PM
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Well, you can blame your beloved foundation and their long history of not addressing vulnerabilities until they have been exploited.
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February 12, 2014, 01:08:47 PM
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Well, you can blame your beloved foundation and their long history of not addressing vulnerabilities until they have been exploited.

+1. 

Perhaps all of this mess will either 1) get the Foundation off their tails to be more vocal about protocol issues / fixes 2) get the Foundation to implement an actual PR operation that addresses protocol issues / fixes.
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February 12, 2014, 01:10:32 PM
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this is the end...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGmAmJFUvzM&hd=1

sell, guys, SEEEEELL, in some days or weeks bitcoin will go back to its own value, which is, 10-50 dollars.

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February 12, 2014, 01:20:34 PM
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Don't worry. This is temporary, and I expect those exchanges to be back soon (at least Bitstamp). The foundation however should have done something about it long ago when the problem was first discovered.

this is the end...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGmAmJFUvzM&hd=1

sell, guys, SEEEEELL, in some days or weeks bitcoin will go back to its own value, which is, 10-50 dollars.
No. Stop spreading FUD moron.
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February 12, 2014, 01:36:25 PM
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Well, you can blame your beloved foundation and their long history of not addressing vulnerabilities until they have been exploited.

+1. 

Perhaps all of this mess will either 1) get the Foundation off their tails to be more vocal about protocol issues / fixes 2) get the Foundation to implement an actual PR operation that addresses protocol issues / fixes.

They had addressed it and it was known. Bitcoin wont be fixed over night.

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February 12, 2014, 01:39:07 PM
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Well, you can blame your beloved foundation and their long history of not addressing vulnerabilities until they have been exploited.
Exactly

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February 12, 2014, 01:42:36 PM
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What is happening is a discredit to the Bitcoin cryptocurrency. The end of net neutrality will also help to kill this "free open-source crytocurrencies".

I think this is the beginning of the end to Bitcoin, but I do not think that the cryptocurrencies will go away. This experience called Bitcoin will be used to the reborn of a new banking system. The public transactions scheme is a dream for Governments and Central Banks. Imagine that you track all money transactions and that transactions made available to all, including governments... all your taxes will be calculated automatically, you will not be able to run paying taxes... this Bitcoin experience is all about selling you a totalitarian financial system.  
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February 12, 2014, 01:47:39 PM
Last edit: February 12, 2014, 02:01:52 PM by cointalkme
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Bitcoins can be exchanged for cash @Ripple.

I am not sure if this can be done directly but I am sure that BTC can be exchanged to XNF or XRP and then can be sold for USD.

There are some websites which are buying BTC but they are offering lower rates than ongoing BTC rates.

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February 12, 2014, 01:51:16 PM
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Well, you can blame your beloved foundation and their long history of not addressing vulnerabilities until they have been exploited.
+1, that vulnerability was known but no one cared about, they only cared about profit.

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February 12, 2014, 01:51:40 PM
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The press is so predictable. Even when they don't understand a technology, they will report on it as if they do. The malleable transaction problem has been known for some time (like years). The "blame", if you want to place some, rests on both the exchanges that failed to work around a known issue (and there are many workarounds), and with the underlying Bitcoin protocol as well. I know Bitcoin defenders will say that malleable transactions is not a bug. However, if Bitcoin wants to mature into an established currency, vendors need to easily tag transactions with unique and permanent transaction IDs. Techniques such as matching timestamps/VINSsVOUTs, or embedding messages in transactions are merely workarounds. It may be that a true fix for this problem requires an upgrade to all existing wallet/mining software - which is painful. However, at some point, Bitcoin's underlying technology must evolve to provide a true (non-changing) transaction ID - the world's elite vendors won't settle for workarounds.
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February 12, 2014, 01:52:25 PM
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when all these fixed we can expect big rise in Bitcoin prices
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February 12, 2014, 02:24:53 PM
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Well, you can blame your beloved foundation and their long history of not addressing vulnerabilities until they have been exploited.
+1, that vulnerability was known but no one cared about, they only cared about profit.
Greedy humans, eh?
Anyways this is not the endgame. Suspending withdrawals doesn't mean ending them. They will enable them soon enough.

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February 12, 2014, 04:07:54 PM
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this is the end...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGmAmJFUvzM&hd=1

sell, guys, SEEEEELL, in some days or weeks bitcoin will go back to its own value, which is, 10-50 dollars.

Well its ppl like you guys who spread fake news to drop the price and buy in when it's low and sell when the price goes back to normal.

FYI, such issues which challenge the BTC system will only help to perfect the system.
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February 12, 2014, 04:13:29 PM
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when all these fixed we can expect big rise in Bitcoin prices

Until the next bit of news that gets blown out of proportion.
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February 12, 2014, 04:15:02 PM
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Sounds terrible

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February 12, 2014, 04:28:32 PM
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The weak will sell proclaiming bitcoins death, the hodlers will get a new chance to scoop up some more cheap coins and in a few months the growth cycle will ignite again. Nothing new in BTC world.
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February 12, 2014, 04:33:42 PM
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why are there always trolls allowed to post on this forum fanning the flames of fear??


The posters always screaming "sell sell!!"  "Bitcoin is doomed!!"

I'm so so sick of these obvious troll posters allowed to stay here.
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February 12, 2014, 04:37:42 PM
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In simple terms, transaction malleability could allow someone to spend bitcoins twice, which is tantamount to counterfeiting the virtual currency.
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In simple terms... NOPE!  Transaction malleability does not allow people to double spend coins.

It allows for people to abuse websites that track deposits by txid instead of tracking address, amount, and time.
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February 12, 2014, 04:38:22 PM
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why are there always trolls allowed to post on this forum fanning the flames of fear??


The posters always screaming "sell sell!!"  "Bitcoin is doomed!!"

I'm so so sick of these obvious troll posters allowed to stay here.

It makes us stronger.

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