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October 01, 2011, 08:30:46 PM
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As a flyer, actually, I think this would work beautifully. 

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October 01, 2011, 08:52:55 PM
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As a flyer, actually, I think this would work beautifully. 

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We do need to combine the two projects in my opinion, resources created for one can easily be modified for the other.
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October 01, 2011, 09:53:48 PM
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Good luck to everyone heading out to the protests...I hope you have better luck than the nearest protest to me. 

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October 02, 2011, 01:08:02 AM
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Ok,
I printed 500 of the first flyer, and handed a bunch out at the event.

As an outlet to increase bitcoin use, it was a great event.

But
Hmm.  Slogans for Occupy <X> protests.

How about these?

"I'm pissed at my dad, but he isn't here, so I'm going to antagonize some cops instead!"

"I have $100,000 in student loans for my sociology degree, and I don't want to accept responsibility for my poor decisions!"

"It isn't fair that other people became successful while I was wasting my life!"

I dislike our current monetary system as much as the next guy (actually, more than most, I'd say), but these protests aren't about that, and even if they were, they wouldn't accomplish anything anyway.  If you can create a few new bitcoin enthusiasts, great.  Or if you can pick up a naive coed by showing her that you care about "the issues", that's fine too.  But don't fool yourself into thinking that these events are anything but group displays of social posturing.
This statement  carries some serious validity.
The vast majority of the people at this event were so very confused and misguided it was absurd. There are so many conflicting views it is pretty weird.
Let me make a statement to the world and directly to the, well, retarded communist groups out there.

CAPITALISM IS NOT THE PROBLEM...CORRUPTION IS.

I cant believe how these people bash capitalism,
Real capitalism wouldn't of bailed out a failing business, you let them die and squirm who cares.
These people think we are still a fully capitalist country and dont realize it is liberal red tape and laws that cause the problems they are unhappy with. They then assume that capitalism is bad under the false pretense that it has something to do with all the scams perpetrated by corrupt govt. officials. and businessmen who corrupt them. (It still is not the businessman's fault if the govt. official takes the bribe, because in this situation the businessman is doing his job and doing something positive for his business, and the official is obviously doing the opposite of what is right for his "business", the people.)
Basically it is just corrupt govt. and that is our one problem, it has been since they signed the fed into action, it has been since they suspended habeus corpus, that has been the main problem, the root, the other issues can be attributed to this if you follow their history.

They dont realize that reducing govt. and rules will allow us to prevail as we used too.
I love america and still want to help the people even if they are confused and misguided. They will understand when it is all over.

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October 02, 2011, 01:28:55 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLvTPOnj3bg

at 1:43, the black shirt being held up smack dab in the middle is a

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When some of the nice up close pics come out, we will find them and post Smiley

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CAPITALISM IS NOT THE PROBLEM...CORRUPTION IS.


Corruption is a bit vague... it's better defined as "corporatism," or the ability of government and corporations to coerce, steal, and manipulate.

The protesters need to understand that greed isn't a problem so long as the greedy are not able to subsidize their recklessness with taxpayer money or special regulatory protection.

And America is very much a socialist country... that's the ironic part of these protests. They're protesting like we had capitalism to blame for this  Roll Eyes
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CAPITALISM IS NOT THE PROBLEM...CORRUPTION IS.


Corruption is a bit vague... it's better defined as "corporatism," or the ability of government and corporations to coerce, steal, and manipulate.

The protesters need to understand that greed isn't a problem so long as the greedy are not able to subsidize their recklessness with taxpayer money or special regulatory protection.

And America is very much a socialist country... that's the ironic part of these protests. They're protesting like we had capitalism to blame for this  Roll Eyes
This is just a well put statement^^^
+1 Thanx for the clarification. If this is what corporatism is, (the ability of government and corporations to coerce, then steal, and manipulate), then that is what our problem is.


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Corruption is a bit vague... it's better defined as "corporatism," or the ability of government and corporations to coerce, steal, and manipulate.

The protesters need to understand that greed isn't a problem so long as the greedy are not able to subsidize their recklessness with taxpayer money or special regulatory protection.

And America is very much a socialist country... that's the ironic part of these protests. They're protesting like we had capitalism to blame for this  Roll Eyes

Very well said.  Do you have any articles or blog posts to further clarify this for people? It's not an idea that is heard often in politics today.

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Let me just weigh in as an unabashed socialist if I may...


CAPITALISM IS NOT THE PROBLEM...CORRUPTION IS.


And Bitcoin is going to end corruption?  Pipe dream.  Our current monetary systems have a level of entrenched corruption which is difficult to break out of.  The (second) best I am hoping for in Bitcoin is that it provides some lubricant to make the break-out possible.

I mostly fear a 'one world' control structure/currency system, or one in a more blatant form than we have today (demonstrating that socialists can be as wacko-conspiracy-minded as anyone and probably breaking some myths about the preferences of socialists.)  The first best I am hoping for is that Bitcoin or a descendant provides a viable alternative if and when a one-world currency as presented as the only answer to our problems.

BTW, I like capitalism very much.  It's obvious that it is the only engine with the power to keep a modest sized society comfortable and well fed.  Even the communist Chinese figured that one out, and I doubt that it's utility has gone past many of the protesters.  My bet is that they are angry at exactly the corruption that WiseOldOwl is SHOUTING about.

Corruption is a bit vague... it's better defined as "corporatism," or the ability of government and corporations to coerce, steal, and manipulate.


Mussolini had a term for that.  Fascism.  And who better would know?  I personally feel that we (in the US) are much farther down _that_ road than a lot of people imagine, and the road ahead has been paved at this time.

The protesters need to understand that greed isn't a problem so long as the greedy are not able to subsidize their recklessness with taxpayer money or special regulatory protection.

Greed is baked into our DNA...if it were not, we would not be here (which a lot of my ilk seem to have trouble accepting.)  But so is fear.

Bitcoin appeals to me because it could be forcible taken from everyone by a simple majority (with some padding) via a software update.  This could provide the 'FEAR' necessary to keep abuse of the system to a tolerable level.  In this way, even _I_ have some reservations about the 're-distributitative' nature of Bitcoin.  The 'have-not's could rape the 'have's so fast and so hard their heads would spin, and for no particularly fair reason other than that they can.  I'm surprised that it is so popular amongst some of you folks (but maybe that is because I don't really understand anachro-capitalism as well as I should...I read a bit about it the other day.  It's kind of fascinating actually and does not seem to be exactly what I thought it was.)

And America is very much a socialist country... that's the ironic part of these protests. They're protesting like we had capitalism to blame for this  Roll Eyes

The more that wealth and power accumulates to a small fraction of the population, the more some of you people carry on about 'socialism' and 're-distribution.'  Handy for the small fraction of people with all the poker chips.  Funny that.  We don't even have universal health care for Christ's sake!  Forgive me if I question some of you folks's powers of analysis and resistance to propaganda (but I'm not expecting that you will Wink )  While everything is something of a gradation, I'd say that Sweden is socialist while he US is more fascist.


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Let me just weigh in as an unabashed socialist if I may...


CAPITALISM IS NOT THE PROBLEM...CORRUPTION IS.


And Bitcoin is going to end corruption?  Pipe dream.  Our current monetary systems have a level of entrenched corruption which is difficult to break out of.  The (second) best I am hoping for in Bitcoin is that it provides some lubricant to make the break-out possible.

I mostly fear a 'one world' control structure/currency system, or one in a more blatant form than we have today (demonstrating that socialists can be as wacko-conspiracy-minded as anyone and probably breaking some myths about the preferences of socialists.)  The first best I am hoping for is that Bitcoin or a descendant provides a viable alternative if and when a one-world currency as presented as the only answer to our problems.

BTW, I like capitalism very much.  It's obvious that it is the only engine with the power to keep a modest sized society comfortable and well fed.  Even the communist Chinese figured that one out, and I doubt that it's utility has gone past many of the protesters.  My bet is that they are angry at exactly the corruption that WiseOldOwl is SHOUTING about.

Corruption is a bit vague... it's better defined as "corporatism," or the ability of government and corporations to coerce, steal, and manipulate.


Mussolini had a term for that.  Fascism.  And who better would know?  I personally feel that we (in the US) are much farther down _that_ road than a lot of people imagine, and the road ahead has been paved at this time.

The protesters need to understand that greed isn't a problem so long as the greedy are not able to subsidize their recklessness with taxpayer money or special regulatory protection.

Greed is baked into our DNA...if it were not, we would not be here (which a lot of my ilk seem to have trouble accepting.)  But so is fear.

Bitcoin appeals to me because it could be forcible taken from everyone by a simple majority (with some padding) via a software update.  This could provide the 'FEAR' necessary to keep abuse of the system to a tolerable level.  In this way, even _I_ have some reservations about the 're-distributitative' nature of Bitcoin.  The 'have-not's could rape the 'have's so fast and so hard their heads would spin, and for no particularly fair reason other than that they can.  I'm surprised that it is so popular amongst some of you folks (but maybe that is because I don't really understand anachro-capitalism as well as I should...I read a bit about it the other day.  It's kind of fascinating actually and does not seem to be exactly what I thought it was.)

And America is very much a socialist country... that's the ironic part of these protests. They're protesting like we had capitalism to blame for this  Roll Eyes

The more that wealth and power accumulates to a small fraction of the population, the more some of you people carry on about 'socialism' and 're-distribution.'  Handy for the small fraction of people with all the poker chips.  Funny that.  We don't even have universal health care for Christ's sake!  Forgive me if I question some of you folks's powers of analysis and resistance to propaganda (but I'm not expecting that you will Wink )  While everything is something of a gradation, I'd say that Sweden is socialist while he US is more fascist.


You do not sound like a socialist because you are not a socialist it looks like. You believe in inherent greed, you understand the problems with one world anything, and understand that the individual drive of "greed" is what makes it all go around. Your "constituents" out there were really bringing up things like, "we dont really have to work a whole 40 hours a week ya know...", "free healthcare, education, etc." They dont know that a doctor needs to be compensated more than a janitor???
They dont know that govt doesnt create wealth it just redistributes it?
They do not know that that money will have to come form somewhere, us,  because nothing is in fact free like in their fairy tale world?
They dont realize that places ran in a socialist fashion have the absolute worst service humans can provide, eg DMV?
Socialist are anti american and are under educated on history, period.
If you got a good look at the people who would be in your socialist society with you and you would be forced to live and work with, you would think twice. You would spend the days nurturing and teaching their undeveloped brains, while they try to avoid work at all costs. They will be happy never contributing and relying on govt. to hold their hands through life. It would be so freakin cute...

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And Bitcoin is going to end corruption?  Pipe dream.  Our current monetary systems have a level of entrenched corruption which is difficult to break out of.  The (second) best I am hoping for in Bitcoin is that it provides some lubricant to make the break-out possible.



Maybe not, but at least no one will be able to fuck with our money, inflationate it to hell or block account and payments (who said paypal?)
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Let me just weigh in as an unabashed socialist if I may...
CAPITALISM IS NOT THE PROBLEM...CORRUPTION IS.
And Bitcoin is going to end corruption?  Pipe dream. 

That's why it's important to define the meaning of "corruption."  No monetary system would ever change the basic compulsions within people - to lie, cheat, steal, deceive, etc. Corruption of human character will always exist.  BUT, what doesn't need to exist, is the ability of that corruption in human character to leverage the coercive power of government toward its whims. When the government grants favors and special protections, the corruption of human character will inevitably pour into a corrupt governmental system.

The solution to "ending corruption" in this way, is to shrink the government as much as possible. To limit its power to grant favor. To restrain it from interfering with free men and women, from stealing, from war. Reduce the power of central governments, and the corruption of human character will be restrained - its harm limited to the immediate sphere surrounding corrupted individuals, instead of spread or socialized throughout the society.


Corruption is a bit vague... it's better defined as "corporatism," or the ability of government and corporations to coerce, steal, and manipulate.
Mussolini had a term for that.  Fascism.  And who better would know?  I personally feel that we (in the US) are much farther down _that_ road than a lot of people imagine, and the road ahead has been paved at this time.

Fascism and corporatism are similar in many ways... perhaps fascism is just corporatism at a further stage. There is one long gradient path from free-market capitalism toward statism/fascism. We find socialism and corporatism along that path. The way one can determine how far along the path we are, is to observe the extent to which individual property rights are respected. When you surrender half your income to the government, individual property rights have long been abandoned, and nobody should be surprised when some of that stolen money ends up in the hands of those well-connected to government.


Bitcoin appeals to me because it could be forcible taken from everyone by a simple majority (with some padding) via a software update.  This could provide the 'FEAR' necessary to keep abuse of the system to a tolerable level.  In this way, even _I_ have some reservations about the 're-distributitative' nature of Bitcoin.  The 'have-not's could rape the 'have's so fast and so hard their heads would spin, and for no particularly fair reason other than that they can.  I'm surprised that it is so popular amongst some of you folks (but maybe that is because I don't really understand anachro-capitalism as well as I should...I read a bit about it the other day.  It's kind of fascinating actually and does not seem to be exactly what I thought it was.)

Hmmm I think you may not quite be seeing it clearly. If there is a strong disagreement between Bitcoin holders, the block chains can fork, but one group cannot take the coins away from the other. So in a hypothetical world with two classes, a rich and a poor, the poor at worst could fork a chain if they all agreed to do so, and then both classes would operate their own version. It doesn't take a genius to guess which chain would be more respected and ultimately win out.


And America is very much a socialist country... that's the ironic part of these protests. They're protesting like we had capitalism to blame for this  Roll Eyes
The more that wealth and power accumulates to a small fraction of the population, the more some of you people carry on about 'socialism' and 're-distribution.'  Handy for the small fraction of people with all the poker chips.  Funny that.  We don't even have universal health care for Christ's sake!  Forgive me if I question some of you folks's powers of analysis and resistance to propaganda (but I'm not expecting that you will Wink )  While everything is something of a gradation, I'd say that Sweden is socialist while he US is more fascist.

Wealth is not poker chips.

Those who see wealth as poker chips will inevitably be led toward socialist sympathies. Those who understand that wealth is produced, not distributed, will inevitably be led toward capitalist/libertarian sympathies.

And I'm curious... what is universal health care? All treatment has cost - so to what level of cost are all people entitled, in your view? Do we all have a right to ibuprofen? Or do we have a right to yearly checkups? Or to all drugs and perscriptions? Or do we have a right to infinite health resources?   And if we have a right to a good or service, does that not mandate a slavish claim upon the life of another person? If I'm entitled to ibuprofen, who should be forcefully compelled to produce it for me?
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And I'm curious... what is universal health care? All treatment has cost - so to what level of cost are all people entitled, in your view? Do we all have a right to ibuprofen? Or do we have a right to yearly checkups? Or to all drugs and perscriptions? Or do we have a right to infinite health resources?   And if we have a right to a good or service, does that not mandate a slavish claim upon the life of another person? If I'm entitled to ibuprofen, who should be forcefully compelled to produce it for me?

Your whole post is pretty dumb but this part stands out.  Yes, let's take a debate about whether or not to provide universal healthcare in the direction of questioning 'what is the nature of healthcare'. 

Look at all the other countries that have successfully implemented and continue to run well respected national health services you boob.

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And I'm curious... what is universal health care? All treatment has cost - so to what level of cost are all people entitled, in your view? Do we all have a right to ibuprofen? Or do we have a right to yearly checkups? Or to all drugs and perscriptions? Or do we have a right to infinite health resources?   And if we have a right to a good or service, does that not mandate a slavish claim upon the life of another person? If I'm entitled to ibuprofen, who should be forcefully compelled to produce it for me?

Your whole post is pretty dumb but this part stands out.  Yes, let's take a debate about whether or not to provide universal healthcare in the direction of questioning 'what is the nature of healthcare'.  

Look at all the other countries that have successfully implemented and continue to run well respected national health services you boob.

I do apologize if my post was not to your standards.

Perhaps we have different definitions of "success."  If I steal a million dollars from society and build a beautiful park, is that a "successful implementation" of a park?  Does the fact that the beautiful park is desirable give me the moral right to coercively obtain the resources with which to create it?
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Hmm.  Slogans for Occupy <X> protests.

How about these?

"I'm pissed at my dad, but he isn't here, so I'm going to antagonize some cops instead!"

"I have $100,000 in student loans for my sociology degree, and I don't want to accept responsibility for my poor decisions!"

"It isn't fair that other people became successful while I was wasting my life!"

I dislike our current monetary system as much as the next guy (actually, more than most, I'd say), but these protests aren't about that, and even if they were, they wouldn't accomplish anything anyway.  If you can create a few new bitcoin enthusiasts, great.  Or if you can pick up a naive coed by showing her that you care about "the issues", that's fine too.  But don't fool yourself into thinking that these events are anything but group displays of social posturing.

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Hmm.  Slogans for Occupy <X> protests.

How about these?

"I'm pissed at my dad, but he isn't here, so I'm going to antagonize some cops instead!"

"I have $100,000 in student loans for my sociology degree, and I don't want to accept responsibility for my poor decisions!"

"It isn't fair that other people became successful while I was wasting my life!"

I dislike our current monetary system as much as the next guy (actually, more than most, I'd say), but these protests aren't about that, and even if they were, they wouldn't accomplish anything anyway.  If you can create a few new bitcoin enthusiasts, great.  Or if you can pick up a naive coed by showing her that you care about "the issues", that's fine too.  But don't fool yourself into thinking that these events are anything but group displays of social posturing.
You have the worldview of a small child.

Well, that or a member of the College Republicans club, but it's kind of hard to tell the two apart.

and you responded like the small child you are  just because some people believe these protests serve no purpose other then to "be cool" doesn't give you the right to be the child you are.

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I do apologize if my post was not to your standards.

Perhaps we have different definitions of "success."  If I steal a million dollars from society and build a beautiful park, is that a "successful implementation" of a park?  Does the fact that the beautiful park is desirable give me the moral right to coercively obtain the resources with which to create it?
Taxes aren't theft and not having large amounts of the population die from easily treatable medical conditions for a few percentage points of profit is definitely a 'success'.

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I do apologize if my post was not to your standards.

Perhaps we have different definitions of "success."  If I steal a million dollars from society and build a beautiful park, is that a "successful implementation" of a park?  Does the fact that the beautiful park is desirable give me the moral right to coercively obtain the resources with which to create it?
Taxes aren't theft and not having large amounts of the population die from easily treatable medical conditions for a few percentage points of profit is definitely a 'success'.

Hmmm I see your point.

There is another easily treatable medical condition that tens of millions are suffering from, known as starvation. Might it be "successful" to take a few percentage points of profit from your bank account and buy bread for them? Surely you are quite wealthy compared to such people, and their need must surely be greater than your desire for your next Blu-ray, case of beer, or book? How much did you spend on your last pair of shoes, and how many days' worth of food could that have purchased for those truly in need? How much have you spent on fuel just for the purpose of air-conditioning your car or house? The computer upon which you typed your message... might it have been more successful to use that money to feed the famished... suffering so unjustly from their easily treatable medical condition?

Or should those few percentage points of profit in your bank account not be included in the taking? Only those wealthier than you ought to surrender their resources? Because from where you're standing, THEY are the rich ones.  But... it does seem that you are far wealthier than the starving Ethiopian, and in terms of comparative lifestyle you are much closer to those rich you despise than the Ethiopian is to you.

Where is the greater wealth gap... and how might we go about closing it? Let's take a look at the extravagances of your lifestyle and I'm sure we can find many ways to be successful.

It's always fun to enjoy successes with other peoples' things, isn't it?

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