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July 10, 2018, 03:54:04 PM
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I just noticed that grue and saltyspitoon are no longer Global Mods. Why? I see both of them have been offline for around a month, but at times when there is more need for mods, why remove them?

Are there gonna be new global mods? If so, I have my alts(Welsh and LoyceV) up for that. Grin

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July 10, 2018, 03:56:50 PM
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If so, I have my alts(Welsh and LoyceV) up for that. Grin
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July 10, 2018, 04:03:43 PM
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If there are only 3 global moderators left that would explain why the spam problem has got so much worse recently. I've noticed reports staying unhandled a lot longer or indefinitely the last few weeks. The other staff can only moderate the boards they are assigned to and nuke Newbies. The legions of Jr. Member spammers seem to be left to their own devices at the moment.

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July 10, 2018, 04:49:42 PM
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They're not 'fired' per se, but as with most staff if you become inactive after x amount of time you usually have your mod status removed. Grue and Salty haven't really been active moderating for quite some time and both their mod payments have been zero for the past two months and grue's even longer than that, so that means they handled zero reports and probably why they were de-modded.

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July 10, 2018, 05:39:16 PM
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Are there gonna be new global mods? If so, I have my alts(Welsh and LoyceV) up for that. Grin
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They were pretty inactive from what I can tell. I'm sure theymos would have them back in an instant if they could dedicate their time again. Both were top notch in my opinion. Probably better to promote existing staff than hire new ones to fill in the slot. Thanks for the endorsement though Tongue

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July 10, 2018, 06:53:43 PM
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It would be better if we could have the same system with default trust members, many of them are inactive, IMO they should be excluded from DT system after being inactive for some time. speaking of trusting people to moderate, we could really use some help regarding a few rogue DT1 members. because IMO trust system is more important than moderators, if mods do something wrong people could spot them very quickly but we don't know what is going on with some DT members and their inside deals.

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July 10, 2018, 06:58:02 PM
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It would be better if we could have the same system with default trust members, many of them are inactive,
That would significantly decrease the weight they've given in their feedback, which is not necessary even if those members are inactive.  I would say that as long as it's not suspected that the account has changed hands, no action is necessary.  In other words, just because someone hasn't posted here in a while doesn't mean they're not trusted anymore.  On the other hand, if an employee fails to do work for X amount of time, it's only logical that they should be let go.
because IMO trust system is more important than moderators
I don't think so.

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July 10, 2018, 07:52:06 PM
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It would be better if we could have the same system with default trust members

Why do you try and derail every thread into an off-topic discussion about DT?

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It would be better if we could have the same system with default trust members

Why do you try and derail every thread into an off-topic discussion about DT?

Why do you let him derail the thread?   Wink

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How about your main one? Grin
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If there are only 3 global moderators left that would explain why the spam problem has got so much worse recently. I've noticed reports staying unhandled a lot longer or indefinitely the last few weeks. The other staff can only moderate the boards they are assigned to and nuke Newbies. The legions of Jr. Member spammers seem to be left to their own devices at the moment.
I have seen grue and SaltySpitoon to be inactive for more than a while now(inactive as in spending less time on the forum, moderating). So the absence hasn't affected the spam to increase. Although, I could argue that with the launch of the new autoreply bot,which might have made the spam problem much worse than it already is.

They're not 'fired' per se, but as with most staff if you become inactive after x amount of time you usually have your mod status removed. Grue and Salty haven't really been active moderating for quite some time and both their mod payments have been zero for the past two months and grue's even longer than that, so that means they handled zero reports and probably why they were de-modded.
Please tell me, if I put a local rule on not allowing digaran to say anything in particular threads of mine and if he does, will he be banned?

Its sad that grue and Salty have been de-modded, hope they are alright IRL, and just not leave bitcointalk forever.

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They were pretty inactive from what I can tell. I'm sure theymos would have them back in an instant if they could dedicate their time again. Both were top notch in my opinion. Probably better to promote existing staff than hire new ones to fill in the slot. Thanks for the endorsement though Tongue
I haven't seen much of grue, but I can say Salty was a great mod. Most of the staff(non global mods) are either inactive themselves or are busy managing their own boards. A few boards need moderators, but that's not gonna happen. But hey there is no harm in self promoting my alts.  Roll Eyes
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It would be better if we could have the same system with default trust members, many of them are inactive, IMO they should be excluded from DT system after being inactive for some time. speaking of trusting people to moderate, we could really use some help regarding a few rogue DT1 members. because IMO trust system is more important than moderators, if mods do something wrong people could spot them very quickly but we don't know what is going on with some DT members and their inside deals.
Not true. xetsr was a great DT member, he has hundreds of legit tags, if he is removed, scammers would be free to scam again(not everyone reads untrusted feedback). If you have a problem with DT1 members, make another thread about it, tell your bullshit insights to theymos. I am sure, he will reply to you the first thing he sees such a thread.  Grin

And trust system is not important than moderators, and if you don't know why, you should leave

That would significantly decrease the weight they've given in their feedback, which is not necessary even if those members are inactive.  I would say that as long as it's not suspected that the account has changed hands, no action is necessary.  In other words, just because someone hasn't posted here in a while doesn't mean they're not trusted anymore.  On the other hand, if an employee fails to do work for X amount of time, it's only logical that they should be let go.
I remember, when Zepher was removed from DT, all his tags became untrusted and I believe Ecuamobi/Lauda/some other DT member had to spend their time re-tagging all those who Z had tagged.

Why do you try and derail every thread into an off-topic discussion about DT?
Why else? He is a DT investigator. His bullshit opinions are right on spot and always right.

Why do you let him derail the thread?   Wink
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bla bla bla

Why do you try and derail every thread into an off-topic discussion about DT?

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As long as Mitchell is still active - the Project Development section is turning into a spam board for ICO scams... I report 5-10 threads a day.

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Why do you let him derail the thread?   Wink

Fair point. Normally I just hit the report to moderator link and write 'off-topic'.



I have seen grue and SaltySpitoon to be inactive for more than a while now(inactive as in spending less time on the forum, moderating). So the absence hasn't affected the spam to increase. Although, I could argue that with the launch of the new autoreply bot,which might have made the spam problem much worse than it already is.

Yeah, it could be something else like that. I do get feeling that 3 global moderators aren't enough given the level of spam this forum is subjected to.

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They're not 'fired' per se, but as with most staff if you become inactive after x amount of time you usually have your mod status removed. Grue and Salty haven't really been active moderating for quite some time and both their mod payments have been zero for the past two months and grue's even longer than that, so that means they handled zero reports and probably why they were de-modded.

In the Portuguese section, one of the moderators has not been online since March. It's been over 14 months since he last wrote something on the forum. I do not believe we need another moderator since the other one is managing to keep the section spam-free. But when he is unable to access, we have a spam flood.
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Yeah, it could be something else like that. I do get feeling that 3 global moderators aren't enough given the level of spam this forum is subjected to.
We've been chugging along a few weeks with only 3 Global Moderators, and I don't think too many people noticed that Salty, and grue were inactive. Salty as been logging in, but hasn't done too much moderation work based on Hilariousnadco's comment. theymos recently made a comment that its not about the budget of the forum, but the lack of trust in delegating roles to users. So, I don't expect us to see new moderators/global moderators, and would assume that existing staff members will be promoted if there is a need.

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@Welsh, are you interested in becoming a moderator? you seem to be trustworthy enough, if you show interest I'm sure theymos will hire you or are you a fan of making the current mods as global mods?
Another candidate I could think of would be Lutpin sorry LoyceV, they seem to be extremely interested in forum moderation stuff, take a look at their threads trying to moderate on behalf of inactive or lazy mods. Wink we need more moderators whether you like it or not.

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They're not 'fired' per se, but as with most staff if you become inactive after x amount of time you usually have your mod status removed. Grue and Salty haven't really been active moderating for quite some time and both their mod payments have been zero for the past two months and grue's even longer than that, so that means they handled zero reports and probably why they were de-modded.

Should we not find a new mods first before removing inactive mods? Any update of to whom the spots were moved? I expect that there is already one who filled the position I am just not sure tho if that mod was newly appointed

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We've been chugging along a few weeks with only 3 Global Moderators, and I don't think too many people noticed that Salty, and grue were inactive. Salty as been logging in, but hasn't done too much moderation work based on Hilariousnadco's comment. theymos recently made a comment that its not about the budget of the forum, but the lack of trust in delegating roles to users. So, I don't expect us to see new moderators/global moderators, and would assume that existing staff members will be promoted if there is a need.

Yeah, I have read comments about the budget not being the issue rather than lack of suitable candidates. It does seem like a lot of work for 3 people so I hope there are some moderators in line for a promotion soon.

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Yeah, I have read comments about the budget not being the issue rather than lack of suitable candidates. It does seem like a lot of work for 3 people so I hope there are some moderators in line for a promotion soon.

In general, all Global mods do is help the moderators handling reports. Some global mods will also help with administrative duties such as temp bans, account recoveries and the like.

If there are sufficient section moderators, having additional global mods will not be necessary.

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In general, all Global mods do is help the moderators handling reports. Some global mods will also help with administrative duties such as temp bans, account recoveries and the like.

If there are sufficient section moderators, having additional global mods will not be necessary.

How many boards only have a global mod assigned to them?

I've noticed since the new reports page is available that when I report a newbie that all moderators can deal with the report is usually handled very quickly but when I report a Jr. Member or above it often takes many hours or sometimes even a couple of days to get handled. That's what I'm basing my opinion that the global mods are overworked on.

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In general, all Global mods do is help the moderators handling reports. Some global mods will also help with administrative duties such as temp bans, account recoveries and the like.

If there are sufficient section moderators, having additional global mods will not be necessary.

How many boards only have a global mod assigned to them?

I've noticed since the new reports page is available that when I report a newbie that all moderators can deal with the report is usually handled very quickly but when I report a Jr. Member or above it often takes many hours or sometimes even a couple of days to get handled. That's what I'm basing my opinion that the global mods are overworked on.
This may be the result of needing more board specific mods in certain boards. It may also be the result of certain mods declining to handle certain reports for one reason or another -- perhaps because they do not have time to investigate a report, because they do not agree with/understand an underlying rule, there is some conflict of interest, or some other reason.

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They're not 'fired' per se, but as with most staff if you become inactive after x amount of time you usually have your mod status removed. Grue and Salty haven't really been active moderating for quite some time and both their mod payments have been zero for the past two months and grue's even longer than that, so that means they handled zero reports and probably why they were de-modded.

Should we not find a new mods first before removing inactive mods? Any update of to whom the spots were moved? I expect that there is already one who filled the position I am just not sure tho if that mod was newly appointed

I don't think new mods need to be found to replace everyone that leaves or are removed, but Rickbig was made a Global a few months back and he probably covers both their workload as he's very active in moderating. As I've been saying for years though, workload should be distributed around better. There's been no dedicated mod of big boards like Bitcoin Discussion for years and that certainly could do with it's own one. The alt coin section is getting swamped now and mprep was always overloaded as it's a huge board, but now that section is getting worse since he become a Global and doesn't have enough time to dedicate to it.

I've noticed since the new reports page is available that when I report a newbie that all moderators can deal with the report is usually handled very quickly but when I report a Jr. Member or above it often takes many hours or sometimes even a couple of days to get handled. That's what I'm basing my opinion that the global mods are overworked on.

They're handled more quickly because there are more of them. Pretty much most mods are already patrollers and there's only three Globals who have everything to deal with plus issuing bans and handling reported PMs etc.

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If new mods are not being appointed, then posting restrictions will need to be applied to new and junior members. Some members have suggested the creation of 'mod bots', and maybe they could be created to handle newbie and junior reporrts.

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I don't think new mods need to be found to replace everyone that leaves or are removed, but Rickbig was made a Global a few months back and he probably covers both their workload as he's very active in moderating. As I've been saying for years though, workload should be distributed around better. There's been no dedicated mod of big boards like Bitcoin Discussion for years and that certainly could do with it's own one. The alt coin section is getting swamped now and mprep was always overloaded as it's a huge board, but now that section is getting worse since he become a Global and doesn't have enough time to dedicate to it.


Because of this, I can only conclude that the needs of having more mods in this forum is a must thing to do. I have seen a lot of good members in this forum who are not biased. Why not make them a mod?
By the way they are acting towards this forum. We can easily say that they will surely not reject the offer? 
What is actually making them not to be on that position?

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Because of this, I can only conclude that the needs of having more mods in this forum is a must thing to do. I have seen a lot of good members in this forum who are not biased. Why not make them a mod?
By the way they are acting towards this forum. We can easily say that they will surely not reject the offer? 
What is actually making them not to be on that position?
Theymos has posted about this recently. Well, not directly, but you can definitely link the two together. He stated that its not a problem with financing or hiring/delegating users with more responsibilities to take the workload of himself, and others, but the trust that this requires.

Just because someone is unbiased doesn't mean they'll be good for the forum.

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I have been told by an extremely reliable source (I can't reveal the source but he's red, has two horns and a long pointy tail) that digaran is a sure bet for our next global moderator where he will make thousands upon thousands of dollars a day and sit high on a perch right next to theymos!!!
Hey this was supposed to be kept confidential! Not cool....your inability to keep secrets has been noted.
Don't worry. This just stays between me and my alts. No one will know about it.  Cool

How many boards only have a global mod assigned to them?

I've noticed since the new reports page is available that when I report a newbie that all moderators can deal with the report is usually handled very quickly but when I report a Jr. Member or above it often takes many hours or sometimes even a couple of days to get handled. That's what I'm basing my opinion that the global mods are overworked on.
I would say a few boards are managed by Global mods(Bitcoin Discussion, Marketplace).

Does rank really make a difference here when it comes to reporting? I can only see this happening, when newbies are required to be nuked(which all staff can do), and normal can't ban Jr. Members and above.

I don't think new mods need to be found to replace everyone that leaves or are removed, but Rickbig was made a Global a few months back and he probably covers both their workload as he's very active in moderating. As I've been saying for years though, workload should be distributed around better. There's been no dedicated mod of big boards like Bitcoin Discussion for years and that certainly could do with it's own one. The alt coin section is getting swamped now and mprep was always overloaded as it's a huge board, but now that section is getting worse since he become a Global and doesn't have enough time to dedicate to it.
I am thinking, if there is inadequate distribution of workload which seems to be the case, how about running a poll to vote for new staff members?

The boards that do need staff are: Economics,Trading Discussion, Bitcoin Discussion, and the whole Alternate Cryptocurrencies section.

Remove the global mods and Cyrus from all the boards they are managing alone, and put someone/s else to handle the board. That way, global mods would be able to work much smoothly. Because having their own board/s to manage, and handling other boards and issuing bans and handling PMs is a fucking pain in the ass.

I do know that theymos has trust issues on who he has to hire for staff, but there are users who actually care about this forum, and there isn't much to lose for both sides(theymos, and the staff he hires). Why not just hire some volunteers and see how things work out. Then make those volunteers a permanent staff. Just like the internships. Change needs to happen, or things would continue going awry.

If new mods are not being appointed, then posting restrictions will need to be applied to new and junior members. Some members have suggested the creation of 'mod bots', and maybe they could be created to handle newbie and junior reporrts.
Restrictions are not required at the moment. And there are bots handled by mods,they just don't work anymore.  That seemed to be the case for achow101's bot, don't know about Mindless Electron.

If there are sufficient mods, there would be no requirement for restrictions. Money is not the problem here. Trust is. Theymos said about the trust issue thing in December, its 7 months already.

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Because of this, I can only conclude that the needs of having more mods in this forum is a must thing to do. I have seen a lot of good members in this forum who are not biased. Why not make them a mod?
By the way they are acting towards this forum. We can easily say that they will surely not reject the offer? 
What is actually making them not to be on that position?
Theymos has posted about this recently. Well, not directly, but you can definitely link the two together. He stated that its not a problem with financing or hiring/delegating users with more responsibilities to take the workload of himself, and others, but the trust that this requires.

Just because someone is unbiased doesn't mean they'll be good for the forum.

So basically this is all about how trustworthy this members are? Is theymos actually referring to how much trust can he put to this certain members? Or the trust system can actually be the key for theymos to decide if this certian members are capable  to be on that position. Because  if the trust system is enough then they are actually a lot of them who are not just having such a high trust rating but also been actively reporting.

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Because of this, I can only conclude that the needs of having more mods in this forum is a must thing to do. I have seen a lot of good members in this forum who are not biased. Why not make them a mod?
By the way they are acting towards this forum. We can easily say that they will surely not reject the offer? 
What is actually making them not to be on that position?
Theymos has posted about this recently. Well, not directly, but you can definitely link the two together. He stated that its not a problem with financing or hiring/delegating users with more responsibilities to take the workload of himself, and others, but the trust that this requires.

Just because someone is unbiased doesn't mean they'll be good for the forum.

So basically this is all about how trustworthy this members are? Is theymos actually referring to how much trust can he put to this certain members? Or the trust system can actually be the key for theymos to decide if this certian members are capable  to be on that position. Because  if the trust system is enough then they are actually a lot of them who are not just having such a high trust rating but also been actively reporting.
Not the the trust system. That thing is doodoo. Probably whom he really trusts,amongst other things.

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I would say a few boards are managed by Global mods(Bitcoin Discussion, Marketplace).

Does rank really make a difference here when it comes to reporting? I can only see this happening, when newbies are required to be nuked(which all staff can do), and normal can't ban Jr. Members and above.

Other moderators can only handle reports on the boards they are assigned to unless it is a newbie. So if the moderator of a particular board isn't around Jr. Member and above posts can only be handled by one of the global mods.

There's been no dedicated mod of big boards like Bitcoin Discussion for years and that certainly could do with it's own one. The alt coin section is getting swamped now and mprep was always overloaded as it's a huge board, but now that section is getting worse since he become a Global and doesn't have enough time to dedicate to it.

Thanks for explaining this. I see now that it is not more global mods that are required but mods need to be assigned to some of the more spam inflicted boards that only either yourself or mprep can currently deal with.

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I don't think new mods need to be found to replace everyone that leaves or are removed, but Rickbig was made a Global a few months back and he probably covers both their workload as he's very active in moderating. As I've been saying for years though, workload should be distributed around better. There's been no dedicated mod of big boards like Bitcoin Discussion for years and that certainly could do with it's own one. The alt coin section is getting swamped now and mprep was always overloaded as it's a huge board, but now that section is getting worse since he become a Global and doesn't have enough time to dedicate to it.


Because of this, I can only conclude that the needs of having more mods in this forum is a must thing to do. I have seen a lot of good members in this forum who are not biased. Why not make them a mod?
By the way they are acting towards this forum. We can easily say that they will surely not reject the offer? 
What is actually making them not to be on that position?

I don't have the power to promote people to mods. All I can do is make suggestions when I think there are gaps that need filling.

I don't think new mods need to be found to replace everyone that leaves or are removed, but Rickbig was made a Global a few months back and he probably covers both their workload as he's very active in moderating. As I've been saying for years though, workload should be distributed around better. There's been no dedicated mod of big boards like Bitcoin Discussion for years and that certainly could do with it's own one. The alt coin section is getting swamped now and mprep was always overloaded as it's a huge board, but now that section is getting worse since he become a Global and doesn't have enough time to dedicate to it.

I am thinking, if there is inadequate distribution of workload which seems to be the case, how about running a poll to vote for new staff members?

I don't think polls are the way to go and are incredibly biased. People should be made staff on the willingness to report accurately and there are probably several good candidates who have thousands of reports between them.

Thanks for explaining this. I see now that it is not more global mods that are required but mods need to be assigned to some of the more spam inflicted boards that only either yourself or mprep can currently deal with.

Either/or would work, but delegating workload by sub board would probably be more efficient than just promoting more Globals as you just get swamped. The boards that don't have any mod or just a Global should be allocated one at least, especially the huge/most popular boards.

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I can fix this forum in about 15 seconds in a completely unbiased and trustworthy way. I just need access to the server's power cord  Wink

If this were a vote I'd vote for pugman's alts. Does anyone have a link to the latest post reporting stats? I would imagine Welsh and LoyceV are up there near the top. Shouldn't be any harm in assigning them to some shitposting megathread board, perhaps for a trial period.

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Does anyone have a link to the latest post reporting stats? I would imagine Welsh and LoyceV are up there near the top. Shouldn't be any harm in assigning them to some shitposting megathread board, perhaps for a trial period.
I haven't seen fresh reporting stats in a while.
This is mine:
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You have reported 3475 posts with 98% accuracy (3181 good, 66 bad, 228 unhandled)
I think I report larger number of usernames in Meta threads than I report individual posts.

And as much as I like the endorsements, I don't think I'm very likely to become a Mod. I've seen much younger accounts with much less activity than me as Mod, but they're active on local boards. I'm not really active on any of the big spam boards.
I do know I've had a hand in getting a few thousand spammers banned though, so that's nice Cheesy

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Does anyone have a link to the latest post reporting stats? I would imagine Welsh and LoyceV are up there near the top. Shouldn't be any harm in assigning them to some shitposting megathread board, perhaps for a trial period.
I haven't seen fresh reporting stats in a while.
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You have reported 3475 posts with 98% accuracy (3181 good, 66 bad, 228 unhandled)
I think I report larger number of usernames in Meta threads than I report individual posts.

And as much as I like the endorsements, I don't think I'm very likely to become a Mod. I've seen much younger accounts with much less activity than me as Mod, but they're active on local boards. I'm not really active on any of the big spam boards.
I do know I've had a hand in getting a few thousand spammers banned though, so that's nice Cheesy
Its going to be really tough for you, especially after knowing Welsh has reported 36,000+ posts Embarrassed( have a total of 100). I have seen eternalgloom being interested on moderating Altcoin section, but I don't know how much he has reported or anything at all. Any other recommendations?


I don't think polls are the way to go and are incredibly biased. People should be made staff on the willingness to report accurately and there are probably several good candidates who have thousands of reports between them.
Since, you're a global mod, you should be knowing on who reports a lot, and based on the highest number of reports by users, a poll can be run, on who fits the best in the category? Also, is there a way to make polls available only for Members/Full members and above? So that the abuse could be more or less be avoided.

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And as much as I like the endorsements, I don't think I'm very likely to become a Mod. I've seen much younger accounts with much less activity than me as Mod, but they're active on local boards. I'm not really active on any of the big spam boards.
I do know I've had a hand in getting a few thousand spammers banned though, so that's nice Cheesy

But despite not being active on those boards you're still finding the shitposters that you list in your threads so giving you the delete button or the banhammer would make sense. Perhaps the patroller thing or whatever it is that would let you nuke newbies.

Welsh has reported 36,000+ posts

Holy crap... he could replace all moderators at once.

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But despite not being active on those boards you're still finding the shitposters that you list in your threads so giving you the delete button or the banhammer would make sense. Perhaps the patroller thing or whatever it is that would let you nuke newbies.
I'm not sure what "patroller" stands for nowadays. As far as I know, any Staff is patroller, and only Mod on their own subforum. But I'm not sure.
Finding spammers through patrol is quite easy, manually checking them is much more work.
I'd love to have my own nuke button, and I guess this will happen:
While just banning "a few" of the Newbie spammers I listed, BitRentX ran out of nukes:
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Aaaand, there goes my limit. I'll look into it again later tomorrow if there's some more countries to nuke left.
I didn't know there is such a limit for Mods. That means I can entertain more than one Mod, just nuking Newbies.
It doesn't feel right that a spammer can create more accounts than a Mod can ban. That means it's a lost cause.

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That means he keeps them all quite busy Tongue I think BitRentX is the one Mod who takes care of most of my Meta-thread-reports.

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I don't think polls are the way to go and are incredibly biased. People should be made staff on the willingness to report accurately and there are probably several good candidates who have thousands of reports between them.
Since, you're a global mod, you should be knowing on who reports a lot, and based on the highest number of reports by users, a poll can be run, on who fits the best in the category? Also, is there a way to make polls available only for Members/Full members and above? So that the abuse could be more or less be avoided.

I only have a general idea of who is reporting a lot and no definitive stats or figures and that's mostly what we should be going off, but I have recommend people before based on them being prolific in reporting. I had no idea Welsh had anywhere near that amount of reports though, but if staff are having to spend all day handling your reports then it would make sense for you to be on staff.

Theymos can create polls limited to certain member ranks, but regular users can't as far as I'm aware.

But despite not being active on those boards you're still finding the shitposters that you list in your threads so giving you the delete button or the banhammer would make sense. Perhaps the patroller thing or whatever it is that would let you nuke newbies.
I'm not sure what "patroller" stands for nowadays. As far as I know, any Staff is patroller, and only Mod on their own subforum. But I'm not sure.


Patrollers are just like 'baby' mods who can only handle reports on newbies (and nuke them if appropriate). Not all staff are also patrollers but most are I think.

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That means he keeps them all quite busy Tongue

Perhaps that's the reason why grue and salty quit Smiley

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IDK why, but that looks a lot like a hat that would belong to you.

Are you trying to throw your hat into the ring?

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LOL, yeah let's appoint someone who's using red walls of trust to settle personal quarrels. What could possibly go wrong with that...

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Og, can you post your report history,as in how many posts have you reported? Keep things a little transparent. Wink

LOL, yeah let's appoint someone who's using red walls of trust to settle personal quarrels. What could possibly go wrong with that...
Yeah that is not going to happen anytime soon, I hardly think anybody is going to be appointed, since theymos has to eventually decide on who will be appointed, we can only run polls or keep suggestions coming in.

Personally, I don't think anyone who has a lot of enemies should be part of the moderation team, be it for anybody.

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Holy crap... he could replace all moderators at once.
Honestly, the moderators still have to deal with my reports, and are likely dealing with hundreds/thousands more from other people. I think users on this forum don't appreciate how much the moderators actually do.

Welsh has reported 36,000+ posts[/url] Embarrassed( have a total of 100). I have seen eternalgloom being interested on moderating Altcoin section, but I don't know how much he has reported or anything at all. Any other recommendations?
39744 currently. Although, I have a lot of bad reports so I'm far from a perfect record. I would disagree though. Top reporters haven't been known to get appointed, and users who can speak other languages are probably much more likely to be appointed. I don't participate in any local boards or report in any. My reports get dealt with within a few hours anyway.

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39744 currently. Although, I have a lot of bad reports so I'm far from a perfect record. I would disagree though. Top reporters haven't been known to get appointed, and users who can speak other languages are probably much more likely to be appointed. I don't participate in any local boards or report in any.
Having almost 40k reports is no joke. And you have less than 500(?) bad reports. Doesn't matter. Your record is more than just perfect. You know you sound like a nerd who is upset because he got 99/100 in math and is now depressed for losing 1 mark for handwriting.  Angry

Really though, I don't see a lot of users reporting in the local boards. I maybe wrong, but almost anybody would give up reporting on local boards with no mods.

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Having almost 40k reports is no joke. And you have less than 500(?) bad reports. Doesn't matter. Your record is more than just perfect.

263 bad. Some were for not explaining why I reported a few times, and had to report a few. That's what inspired the reporting effectively guide. I'm planning on creating a telegram account, and discord account dedicated to finding out these altcoins, and ICOs which are offering an incentive, and reporting them with the evidence. However, at the moment I've just been reporting the individual replies. Unless, I find them offering an incentive on their website or social medias.

You know you sound like a nerd who is upset because he got 99/100 in math and is now depressed for losing 1 mark for handwriting.  Angry
I'm a perfectionist by nature, although never come up with anything ever near perfect. It's a real struggle.
Really though, I don't see a lot of users reporting in the local boards. I maybe wrong, but almost anybody would give up reporting on local boards with no mods.
I'm not fluent enough in any languages to report effectively. Except Welsh, but there aren't exactly a thriving community of Welsh people here Cheesy

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263 bad. Some were for not explaining why I reported a few times, and had to report a few. That's what inspired the reporting effectively guide. I'm planning on creating a telegram account, and discord account dedicated to finding out these altcoins, and ICOs which are offering an incentive, and reporting them with the evidence. However, at the moment I've just been reporting the individual replies. Unless, I find them offering an incentive on their website or social medias.
That would be a deadend. I have heard that these businesses are run like how drug cartels do business IRL. They have secret groups and they do all the dirty work amongst themselves. Sure a few stupid ICOs tell people to post in their ANN thread to get paid. They are just a temporary thing. The real ones will never fall for this and this would be a longshot  and may end up for nothing.
I'm a perfectionist by nature, although never come up with anything ever near perfect. It's a real struggle.
I understand that, as I was raised by such standards.
I'm not fluent enough in any languages to report effectively. Except Welsh, but there aren't exactly a thriving community of Welsh people here Cheesy
I know more than a few languages but I just never visit those local boards, I like posting here in the English sections only.

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My reports get dealt with within a few hours anyway.

Still - it sounds like a waste of time for you and the mods, given your near-perfect record. Would be far more efficient to hand you the hammer or the big red button or whatever that thing is that makes spam disappear.

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Still - it sounds like a waste of time for you and the mods, given your near-perfect record. Would be far more efficient to hand you the hammer or the big red button or whatever that thing is that makes spam disappear.
My report statistics are a little exaggerated too. Like I said if I had downloaded Telegram, and Discord, and checked these before reporting individually I would have much lesser stats.

If it were a waste of time I'm sure theymos would of addressed this long ago.

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Bumping this, for suggestions of new staff(paid or volunteers).

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Bumping this, for suggestions of new staff(paid or volunteers).
Grue and salty were fired from being global mods because they were doing little to no mod work over an extended period of time. In other words, nearly zero productivity has been lost as a result of their removals.

Additional global mods are not needed as a result of Grue and salty being removed as mods.

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Bumping this, for suggestions of new staff(paid or volunteers).

Welsh. he is active and a good reporter, he is also not biased. I don't see why Welsh shouldn't be a moderator. and about the biggest bully in this forum aka OgNasty, he could keep at bullying people with red tags and distribute merits, nothing else.

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Bumping this, for suggestions of new staff(paid or volunteers).
Grue and salty were fired from being global mods because they were doing little to no mod work over an extended period of time. In other words, nearly zero productivity has been lost as a result of their removals.

Additional global mods are not needed as a result of Grue and salty being removed as mods.
Global mods aren't required, but normal staff is required. The workload distribution is too uneven. For example, hilariousandco is the head moderator of Bitcoin Discussion and the entire Marketplace(along with Cyrus). Why not just hire some mods, to handle the boards that are either with no moderators/ or to replace the global mods. At least then can global moderators take care of more important priorities(handling reported PMs, banning users etc).

Welsh. he is active and a good reporter, he is also not biased. I don't see why Welsh shouldn't be a moderator. and about the biggest bully in this forum aka OgNasty, he could keep at bullying people with red tags and distribute merits, nothing else.
Welsh has already been suggested before, suggestions for other people is what I am asking. 

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I appreciate the support guys, but like I said my reports get handled pretty quickly, and there's probably others which are reporting in better timezones. United Kingdom is a pretty well covered timezone from what I can gather.

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suggestions for other people is what I am asking.

In that case I'd like to suggest LoyceV, they are extremely active and interested in moderation stuff, they are actually doing a lot of job on behalf of the moderators. if you were looking for suggestions.
The rest is up to the admin whether they want to hire more mods or not. IMO we should grab people like LoyceV before they get tired and quit their good job at finding bots and spammers.

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In that case I'd like to suggest LoyceV, they are extremely active and interested in moderation stuff, they are actually doing a lot of job on behalf of the moderators. if you were looking for suggestions.
The rest is up to the admin whether they want to hire more mods or not. IMO we should grab people like LoyceV before they get tired and quit their good job at finding bots and spammers.
Again, already suggested. To be clear, new suggestions are welcome. I don't know why I am doing this,even after knowing this might be a big ass deadend,perhaps for the sake of discussion of new staff.

I appreciate the support guys, but like I said my reports get handled pretty quickly, and there's probably others which are reporting in better timezones. United Kingdom is a pretty well covered timezone from what I can gather.
I don't think this is about the reports getting handled, but about the distribution of work. There are boards (like Economics and off-topic) that have no moderators. So is why, I am suggesting theymos to atleast appoint volunteers.

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Look guys, Welsh is the new moderator on altcoin sections helping mprep, I'd suggest that if any of you interested in becoming moderator start reporting more on those sections without a dedicated moderator.
More reports=having more chance to be hired as a mod (paid or volunteer). now that we have a really good and supportive member as our newest moderator it's time to focus on the next moderator position to be filled if there is actually a need for it.
Again congratulation @Welsh, I like your character very much and I respect you, soon you'll get a lot of reports from me.

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Welsh, you're welcome.  Tongue  Tongue

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Should we not find a new mods first before removing inactive mods? Any update of to whom the spots were moved? I expect that there is already one who filled the position I am just not sure tho if that mod was newly appointed

If this is a voluntarily position, how can you ensure that you are informed of their intentions in advance. I am not aware of what happens here but there shouldn't be a "notice period" to serve. Smiley
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I'm sure theymos would of addressed this long ago.

It seems he just did... better late than never. Good luck cleaning up those ANNs and bounties Grin

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It seems he just did... better late than never. Good luck cleaning up those ANNs and bounties Grin
Now I've seen the darkness on the other side. Its not good guys, and I have a much higher respect for those that volunteer their time to deal with other users reports.

Also, RIP inbox Cheesy

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It would be better if we could have the same system with default trust members

Why do you try and derail every thread into an off-topic discussion about DT?

That's his MO. I have him on my ignored list.

They're not 'fired' per se, but as with most staff if you become inactive after x amount of time you usually have your mod status removed. Grue and Salty haven't really been active moderating for quite some time and both their mod payments have been zero for the past two months and grue's even longer than that, so that means they handled zero reports and probably why they were de-modded.

So does this mean mods get paid per reports they handle or do they get paid IF they handle reports? I wasn't aware that such a system was in place.

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July 26, 2018, 08:41:53 PM
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So does this mean mods get paid per reports they handle or do they get paid IF they handle reports? I wasn't aware that such a system was in place.

Staff don't get paid per report per se, but there's a payment algorithm that takes several factors or 'mod actions' into account, but only theymos knows what those are so staff can't game it. Obviously handling reports will be one of the main factors and probably moving threads/deleting posts will also likely be counted in some capacity. Payments are capped though, so even if I spent 24/7 on the forum handling reports it wouldn't go over a certain amount (and if you check the mod payments over a few months you should be able to work out roughly what those limits are).

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July 27, 2018, 05:20:06 AM
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So does this mean mods get paid per reports they handle or do they get paid IF they handle reports? I wasn't aware that such a system was in place.

Staff don't get paid per report per se, but there's a payment algorithm that takes several factors or 'mod actions' into account, but only theymos knows what those are so staff can't game it. Obviously handling reports will be one of the main factors and probably moving threads/deleting posts will also likely be counted in some capacity. Payments are capped though, so even if I spent 24/7 on the forum handling reports it wouldn't go over a certain amount (and if you check the mod payments over a few months you should be able to work out roughly what those limits are).
You know a lot about this even after being a non-mod! And how do you track mod payments!!
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You know a lot about this even after being a non-mod! And how do you track mod payments!!
I'm not sure if this was sarcasm or not. But, thats hilariousandco's alternate account. He's a global. You can easily track mod payments by looking at the address that they have on their profiles. Its really not a lot.

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July 27, 2018, 05:37:32 AM
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You know a lot about this even after being a non-mod! And how do you track mod payments!!
You're talking to hilariousandco's alt account, a Global Moderator.
I've read about tracking Mod payments before, probably just through the blockchain. You can find some of the addresses used by the forum, then simply follow the money.

I'm not sure if this was sarcasm or not. But, thats hilariousandco's alternate account. He's a global. You can easily track mod payments by looking at the address that they have on their profiles. Its really not a lot.
^ what this guy said ^

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July 27, 2018, 08:01:37 AM
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Ah OK. He is an alt. Didn't knew that. Also didn't knew that tracking payments is so easy, at least for you guys. I'll try to track too and see how much moolah these mods make!!!
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July 27, 2018, 11:18:15 AM
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Yeah, its easy to track their payments. However, note that some moderators might not have an address listed or they are using a private one instead of the one listed on their profile. There's several reasons why they might have done this. Its also optional for a moderator to receive payment, and I'm not sure if any of them are doing this, but its certainly an option.

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