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July 12, 2018, 06:33:01 AM
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We've been chugging along a few weeks with only 3 Global Moderators, and I don't think too many people noticed that Salty, and grue were inactive. Salty as been logging in, but hasn't done too much moderation work based on Hilariousnadco's comment. theymos recently made a comment that its not about the budget of the forum, but the lack of trust in delegating roles to users. So, I don't expect us to see new moderators/global moderators, and would assume that existing staff members will be promoted if there is a need.

Yeah, I have read comments about the budget not being the issue rather than lack of suitable candidates. It does seem like a lot of work for 3 people so I hope there are some moderators in line for a promotion soon.

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We've been chugging along a few weeks with only 3 Global Moderators, and I don't think too many people noticed that Salty, and grue were inactive. Salty as been logging in, but hasn't done too much moderation work based on Hilariousnadco's comment. theymos recently made a comment that its not about the budget of the forum, but the lack of trust in delegating roles to users. So, I don't expect us to see new moderators/global moderators, and would assume that existing staff members will be promoted if there is a need.

Yeah, I have read comments about the budget not being the issue rather than lack of suitable candidates. It does seem like a lot of work for 3 people so I hope there are some moderators in line for a promotion soon.

In general, all Global mods do is help the moderators handling reports. Some global mods will also help with administrative duties such as temp bans, account recoveries and the like.

If there are sufficient section moderators, having additional global mods will not be necessary.

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July 12, 2018, 07:00:24 AM
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In general, all Global mods do is help the moderators handling reports. Some global mods will also help with administrative duties such as temp bans, account recoveries and the like.

If there are sufficient section moderators, having additional global mods will not be necessary.

How many boards only have a global mod assigned to them?

I've noticed since the new reports page is available that when I report a newbie that all moderators can deal with the report is usually handled very quickly but when I report a Jr. Member or above it often takes many hours or sometimes even a couple of days to get handled. That's what I'm basing my opinion that the global mods are overworked on.

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In general, all Global mods do is help the moderators handling reports. Some global mods will also help with administrative duties such as temp bans, account recoveries and the like.

If there are sufficient section moderators, having additional global mods will not be necessary.

How many boards only have a global mod assigned to them?

I've noticed since the new reports page is available that when I report a newbie that all moderators can deal with the report is usually handled very quickly but when I report a Jr. Member or above it often takes many hours or sometimes even a couple of days to get handled. That's what I'm basing my opinion that the global mods are overworked on.
This may be the result of needing more board specific mods in certain boards. It may also be the result of certain mods declining to handle certain reports for one reason or another -- perhaps because they do not have time to investigate a report, because they do not agree with/understand an underlying rule, there is some conflict of interest, or some other reason.

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July 12, 2018, 10:59:09 AM
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They're not 'fired' per se, but as with most staff if you become inactive after x amount of time you usually have your mod status removed. Grue and Salty haven't really been active moderating for quite some time and both their mod payments have been zero for the past two months and grue's even longer than that, so that means they handled zero reports and probably why they were de-modded.

Should we not find a new mods first before removing inactive mods? Any update of to whom the spots were moved? I expect that there is already one who filled the position I am just not sure tho if that mod was newly appointed

I don't think new mods need to be found to replace everyone that leaves or are removed, but Rickbig was made a Global a few months back and he probably covers both their workload as he's very active in moderating. As I've been saying for years though, workload should be distributed around better. There's been no dedicated mod of big boards like Bitcoin Discussion for years and that certainly could do with it's own one. The alt coin section is getting swamped now and mprep was always overloaded as it's a huge board, but now that section is getting worse since he become a Global and doesn't have enough time to dedicate to it.

I've noticed since the new reports page is available that when I report a newbie that all moderators can deal with the report is usually handled very quickly but when I report a Jr. Member or above it often takes many hours or sometimes even a couple of days to get handled. That's what I'm basing my opinion that the global mods are overworked on.

They're handled more quickly because there are more of them. Pretty much most mods are already patrollers and there's only three Globals who have everything to deal with plus issuing bans and handling reported PMs etc.

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July 12, 2018, 11:22:11 AM
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If new mods are not being appointed, then posting restrictions will need to be applied to new and junior members. Some members have suggested the creation of 'mod bots', and maybe they could be created to handle newbie and junior reporrts.

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July 12, 2018, 12:38:20 PM
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I don't think new mods need to be found to replace everyone that leaves or are removed, but Rickbig was made a Global a few months back and he probably covers both their workload as he's very active in moderating. As I've been saying for years though, workload should be distributed around better. There's been no dedicated mod of big boards like Bitcoin Discussion for years and that certainly could do with it's own one. The alt coin section is getting swamped now and mprep was always overloaded as it's a huge board, but now that section is getting worse since he become a Global and doesn't have enough time to dedicate to it.


Because of this, I can only conclude that the needs of having more mods in this forum is a must thing to do. I have seen a lot of good members in this forum who are not biased. Why not make them a mod?
By the way they are acting towards this forum. We can easily say that they will surely not reject the offer? 
What is actually making them not to be on that position?

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July 12, 2018, 10:08:22 PM
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Because of this, I can only conclude that the needs of having more mods in this forum is a must thing to do. I have seen a lot of good members in this forum who are not biased. Why not make them a mod?
By the way they are acting towards this forum. We can easily say that they will surely not reject the offer? 
What is actually making them not to be on that position?
Theymos has posted about this recently. Well, not directly, but you can definitely link the two together. He stated that its not a problem with financing or hiring/delegating users with more responsibilities to take the workload of himself, and others, but the trust that this requires.

Just because someone is unbiased doesn't mean they'll be good for the forum.

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July 12, 2018, 11:05:21 PM
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I have been told by an extremely reliable source (I can't reveal the source but he's red, has two horns and a long pointy tail) that digaran is a sure bet for our next global moderator where he will make thousands upon thousands of dollars a day and sit high on a perch right next to theymos!!!
Hey this was supposed to be kept confidential! Not cool....your inability to keep secrets has been noted.
Don't worry. This just stays between me and my alts. No one will know about it.  Cool

How many boards only have a global mod assigned to them?

I've noticed since the new reports page is available that when I report a newbie that all moderators can deal with the report is usually handled very quickly but when I report a Jr. Member or above it often takes many hours or sometimes even a couple of days to get handled. That's what I'm basing my opinion that the global mods are overworked on.
I would say a few boards are managed by Global mods(Bitcoin Discussion, Marketplace).

Does rank really make a difference here when it comes to reporting? I can only see this happening, when newbies are required to be nuked(which all staff can do), and normal can't ban Jr. Members and above.

I don't think new mods need to be found to replace everyone that leaves or are removed, but Rickbig was made a Global a few months back and he probably covers both their workload as he's very active in moderating. As I've been saying for years though, workload should be distributed around better. There's been no dedicated mod of big boards like Bitcoin Discussion for years and that certainly could do with it's own one. The alt coin section is getting swamped now and mprep was always overloaded as it's a huge board, but now that section is getting worse since he become a Global and doesn't have enough time to dedicate to it.
I am thinking, if there is inadequate distribution of workload which seems to be the case, how about running a poll to vote for new staff members?

The boards that do need staff are: Economics,Trading Discussion, Bitcoin Discussion, and the whole Alternate Cryptocurrencies section.

Remove the global mods and Cyrus from all the boards they are managing alone, and put someone/s else to handle the board. That way, global mods would be able to work much smoothly. Because having their own board/s to manage, and handling other boards and issuing bans and handling PMs is a fucking pain in the ass.

I do know that theymos has trust issues on who he has to hire for staff, but there are users who actually care about this forum, and there isn't much to lose for both sides(theymos, and the staff he hires). Why not just hire some volunteers and see how things work out. Then make those volunteers a permanent staff. Just like the internships. Change needs to happen, or things would continue going awry.

If new mods are not being appointed, then posting restrictions will need to be applied to new and junior members. Some members have suggested the creation of 'mod bots', and maybe they could be created to handle newbie and junior reporrts.
Restrictions are not required at the moment. And there are bots handled by mods,they just don't work anymore.  That seemed to be the case for achow101's bot, don't know about Mindless Electron.

If there are sufficient mods, there would be no requirement for restrictions. Money is not the problem here. Trust is. Theymos said about the trust issue thing in December, its 7 months already.

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July 13, 2018, 01:27:45 AM
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Because of this, I can only conclude that the needs of having more mods in this forum is a must thing to do. I have seen a lot of good members in this forum who are not biased. Why not make them a mod?
By the way they are acting towards this forum. We can easily say that they will surely not reject the offer? 
What is actually making them not to be on that position?
Theymos has posted about this recently. Well, not directly, but you can definitely link the two together. He stated that its not a problem with financing or hiring/delegating users with more responsibilities to take the workload of himself, and others, but the trust that this requires.

Just because someone is unbiased doesn't mean they'll be good for the forum.

So basically this is all about how trustworthy this members are? Is theymos actually referring to how much trust can he put to this certain members? Or the trust system can actually be the key for theymos to decide if this certian members are capable  to be on that position. Because  if the trust system is enough then they are actually a lot of them who are not just having such a high trust rating but also been actively reporting.

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July 13, 2018, 01:32:15 AM
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Because of this, I can only conclude that the needs of having more mods in this forum is a must thing to do. I have seen a lot of good members in this forum who are not biased. Why not make them a mod?
By the way they are acting towards this forum. We can easily say that they will surely not reject the offer? 
What is actually making them not to be on that position?
Theymos has posted about this recently. Well, not directly, but you can definitely link the two together. He stated that its not a problem with financing or hiring/delegating users with more responsibilities to take the workload of himself, and others, but the trust that this requires.

Just because someone is unbiased doesn't mean they'll be good for the forum.

So basically this is all about how trustworthy this members are? Is theymos actually referring to how much trust can he put to this certain members? Or the trust system can actually be the key for theymos to decide if this certian members are capable  to be on that position. Because  if the trust system is enough then they are actually a lot of them who are not just having such a high trust rating but also been actively reporting.
Not the the trust system. That thing is doodoo. Probably whom he really trusts,amongst other things.

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July 13, 2018, 06:12:35 AM
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I would say a few boards are managed by Global mods(Bitcoin Discussion, Marketplace).

Does rank really make a difference here when it comes to reporting? I can only see this happening, when newbies are required to be nuked(which all staff can do), and normal can't ban Jr. Members and above.

Other moderators can only handle reports on the boards they are assigned to unless it is a newbie. So if the moderator of a particular board isn't around Jr. Member and above posts can only be handled by one of the global mods.

There's been no dedicated mod of big boards like Bitcoin Discussion for years and that certainly could do with it's own one. The alt coin section is getting swamped now and mprep was always overloaded as it's a huge board, but now that section is getting worse since he become a Global and doesn't have enough time to dedicate to it.

Thanks for explaining this. I see now that it is not more global mods that are required but mods need to be assigned to some of the more spam inflicted boards that only either yourself or mprep can currently deal with.

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July 13, 2018, 12:17:22 PM
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I don't think new mods need to be found to replace everyone that leaves or are removed, but Rickbig was made a Global a few months back and he probably covers both their workload as he's very active in moderating. As I've been saying for years though, workload should be distributed around better. There's been no dedicated mod of big boards like Bitcoin Discussion for years and that certainly could do with it's own one. The alt coin section is getting swamped now and mprep was always overloaded as it's a huge board, but now that section is getting worse since he become a Global and doesn't have enough time to dedicate to it.


Because of this, I can only conclude that the needs of having more mods in this forum is a must thing to do. I have seen a lot of good members in this forum who are not biased. Why not make them a mod?
By the way they are acting towards this forum. We can easily say that they will surely not reject the offer? 
What is actually making them not to be on that position?

I don't have the power to promote people to mods. All I can do is make suggestions when I think there are gaps that need filling.

I don't think new mods need to be found to replace everyone that leaves or are removed, but Rickbig was made a Global a few months back and he probably covers both their workload as he's very active in moderating. As I've been saying for years though, workload should be distributed around better. There's been no dedicated mod of big boards like Bitcoin Discussion for years and that certainly could do with it's own one. The alt coin section is getting swamped now and mprep was always overloaded as it's a huge board, but now that section is getting worse since he become a Global and doesn't have enough time to dedicate to it.

I am thinking, if there is inadequate distribution of workload which seems to be the case, how about running a poll to vote for new staff members?

I don't think polls are the way to go and are incredibly biased. People should be made staff on the willingness to report accurately and there are probably several good candidates who have thousands of reports between them.

Thanks for explaining this. I see now that it is not more global mods that are required but mods need to be assigned to some of the more spam inflicted boards that only either yourself or mprep can currently deal with.

Either/or would work, but delegating workload by sub board would probably be more efficient than just promoting more Globals as you just get swamped. The boards that don't have any mod or just a Global should be allocated one at least, especially the huge/most popular boards.

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I can fix this forum in about 15 seconds in a completely unbiased and trustworthy way. I just need access to the server's power cord  Wink

If this were a vote I'd vote for pugman's alts. Does anyone have a link to the latest post reporting stats? I would imagine Welsh and LoyceV are up there near the top. Shouldn't be any harm in assigning them to some shitposting megathread board, perhaps for a trial period.

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Does anyone have a link to the latest post reporting stats? I would imagine Welsh and LoyceV are up there near the top. Shouldn't be any harm in assigning them to some shitposting megathread board, perhaps for a trial period.
I haven't seen fresh reporting stats in a while.
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You have reported 3475 posts with 98% accuracy (3181 good, 66 bad, 228 unhandled)
I think I report larger number of usernames in Meta threads than I report individual posts.

And as much as I like the endorsements, I don't think I'm very likely to become a Mod. I've seen much younger accounts with much less activity than me as Mod, but they're active on local boards. I'm not really active on any of the big spam boards.
I do know I've had a hand in getting a few thousand spammers banned though, so that's nice Cheesy

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Does anyone have a link to the latest post reporting stats? I would imagine Welsh and LoyceV are up there near the top. Shouldn't be any harm in assigning them to some shitposting megathread board, perhaps for a trial period.
I haven't seen fresh reporting stats in a while.
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You have reported 3475 posts with 98% accuracy (3181 good, 66 bad, 228 unhandled)
I think I report larger number of usernames in Meta threads than I report individual posts.

And as much as I like the endorsements, I don't think I'm very likely to become a Mod. I've seen much younger accounts with much less activity than me as Mod, but they're active on local boards. I'm not really active on any of the big spam boards.
I do know I've had a hand in getting a few thousand spammers banned though, so that's nice Cheesy
Its going to be really tough for you, especially after knowing Welsh has reported 36,000+ posts Embarrassed( have a total of 100). I have seen eternalgloom being interested on moderating Altcoin section, but I don't know how much he has reported or anything at all. Any other recommendations?


I don't think polls are the way to go and are incredibly biased. People should be made staff on the willingness to report accurately and there are probably several good candidates who have thousands of reports between them.
Since, you're a global mod, you should be knowing on who reports a lot, and based on the highest number of reports by users, a poll can be run, on who fits the best in the category? Also, is there a way to make polls available only for Members/Full members and above? So that the abuse could be more or less be avoided.

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And as much as I like the endorsements, I don't think I'm very likely to become a Mod. I've seen much younger accounts with much less activity than me as Mod, but they're active on local boards. I'm not really active on any of the big spam boards.
I do know I've had a hand in getting a few thousand spammers banned though, so that's nice Cheesy

But despite not being active on those boards you're still finding the shitposters that you list in your threads so giving you the delete button or the banhammer would make sense. Perhaps the patroller thing or whatever it is that would let you nuke newbies.

Welsh has reported 36,000+ posts

Holy crap... he could replace all moderators at once.

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But despite not being active on those boards you're still finding the shitposters that you list in your threads so giving you the delete button or the banhammer would make sense. Perhaps the patroller thing or whatever it is that would let you nuke newbies.
I'm not sure what "patroller" stands for nowadays. As far as I know, any Staff is patroller, and only Mod on their own subforum. But I'm not sure.
Finding spammers through patrol is quite easy, manually checking them is much more work.
I'd love to have my own nuke button, and I guess this will happen:
While just banning "a few" of the Newbie spammers I listed, BitRentX ran out of nukes:
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Aaaand, there goes my limit. I'll look into it again later tomorrow if there's some more countries to nuke left.
I didn't know there is such a limit for Mods. That means I can entertain more than one Mod, just nuking Newbies.
It doesn't feel right that a spammer can create more accounts than a Mod can ban. That means it's a lost cause.

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I don't think polls are the way to go and are incredibly biased. People should be made staff on the willingness to report accurately and there are probably several good candidates who have thousands of reports between them.
Since, you're a global mod, you should be knowing on who reports a lot, and based on the highest number of reports by users, a poll can be run, on who fits the best in the category? Also, is there a way to make polls available only for Members/Full members and above? So that the abuse could be more or less be avoided.

I only have a general idea of who is reporting a lot and no definitive stats or figures and that's mostly what we should be going off, but I have recommend people before based on them being prolific in reporting. I had no idea Welsh had anywhere near that amount of reports though, but if staff are having to spend all day handling your reports then it would make sense for you to be on staff.

Theymos can create polls limited to certain member ranks, but regular users can't as far as I'm aware.

But despite not being active on those boards you're still finding the shitposters that you list in your threads so giving you the delete button or the banhammer would make sense. Perhaps the patroller thing or whatever it is that would let you nuke newbies.
I'm not sure what "patroller" stands for nowadays. As far as I know, any Staff is patroller, and only Mod on their own subforum. But I'm not sure.


Patrollers are just like 'baby' mods who can only handle reports on newbies (and nuke them if appropriate). Not all staff are also patrollers but most are I think.

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July 13, 2018, 05:55:17 PM
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That means he keeps them all quite busy Tongue

Perhaps that's the reason why grue and salty quit Smiley

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