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 let's go down the rabbit hole.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_spies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_Cohen_%28Soviet_spy%29
>Cohen


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Gold
Gold was born in Switzerland to Russian Jewish immigrants

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Greenglass
http://www.nndb.com/people/527/000088263/
Religion: Jewish

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Hall
Theodore Alvin Holtzberg was born in Far Rockaway, New York City to a devout Jewish couple.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Koval
George Koval's father, Abram Koval, left his home town of Telekhany in Belarus to emigrate to the United States in 1910. Abram, a carpenter, settled in Sioux City, Iowa, which at the turn of the 20th century was home to a sizeable Jewish population of merchants and craftsmen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Lerner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lerner
Lerner is a German family name. It also can be surname of German-Jewish due to the fact that the Jews were taking the names of those nations depending where they settled. Its literal meaning can be either "student" or "scholar".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethel_and_Julius_Rosenberg
Julius Rosenberg was born to a family of Jewish immigrants in New York City

http://mobile.myjewishlearning.com/history/Modern_History/1914-1948/American_Jewry_Between_the_Wars/Radical_Politics/Rosenbergs.shtml
When the Rosenbergs were charged with spying, American Jews feared an anti-Semitic
backlash.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saville_Sax
Saville Sax was born in New York City on July 26, 1924 and went by the name of Sarry Sax. He was the son of Bernard Sax (1896–1936) and Bluma Sax (1895–1986). Bluma and Bernard were both born in Russia, of Jewish ancestry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_Sobell
Morton Sobell was born into a Jewish family in New York City.


9 out of 11 spies that are involved with atomic weapons were Jewish



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http://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/13/world/israel-sells-arms-to-china-us-says.html
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Israel has sold advanced military technology to China for more than a decade and is moving to expand its cooperation with Beijing, says R. James Woolsey, the Director of Central
Intelligence.

The C.I.A. assessment was provided in written responses to questions by the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee. The committee made the assessment public last week as part of a report on recent hearings it conducted on "proliferation threats of the 1990's," a committee aide said on Monday.

There have been many news reports about the sale of Israeli military technology to China, which did not establish diplomatic relations with Israel until 1992, and the Rand Corporation has made similar assessments. The C.I.A.'s response to the committee was reported on Monday by NBC News and confirmed by the aide. Jets, Missiles and Tanks

The C.I.A. says China has been acquiring advanced military technology from Israel for more than a decade on programs for jet fighters, air-to-air missiles and tanks. The agency said the sale of Israeli military technology to China "may be several billion dollars."


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JERUSALEM, June 26 -- Under pressure from the Bush administration, Israel has agreed to cancel an arms deal with China and allow U.S. officials to review its future weapons transactions in an effort to resolve tension between Jerusalem and Washington, usually in lockstep over security matters.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/israel-accused-of-selling-us-secrets-to-china-1510406.html
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SRAEL has sold at least dollars 2bn ( pounds 1.3bn) to dollars 3bn of hi-tech military equipment to China, seriously undermining US efforts to limit the sale of advanced weapons to the Chinese. A Senate report due out later this week says the Israeli exports include military technology developed by the US, and which Washington expressly forbids from being exported to China.

Officials accompanying Israel's Prime Minister, Yitzhak Rabin, on a visit to China confirmed that Israel had done deals but would not elaborate. The CIA told the committee the Chinese were seeking from Israel technologies that Western firms were unwilling to provide.

Those sold by Israel are said by specialists to include technology for the Python - the Israeli version of the US Sparrow air-to-air missile - and technology developed for the US-financed Lavi jet, which the Israelis cancelled some years ago.

The US is also concerned that Israel may have passed on technology for the Arrow anti-missile missile, a joint US-Israel project, which is based on the Patriot missile used in the Gulf war.

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Finnish police launched a probe on a ship bound for Shanghai, China, after they discovered 69 surface-to-air Patriot missiles, explosive materials, and propelling charges illegally aboard.

The British-registered ship in question, Thor Liberty, underwent a customs search at the port of Kotka (around 120-km from Helsinki) and discovered the Raytheon-produced Patriot missiles, and a 150 ton load of improperly packed nitroguanidine, a low level sensitive explosive possessing high detonation speed.

The team hopes to determine the reasoning behind the military cache shipment to the port city of Shanghai.

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http://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/20/opinion/if-israel-sold-patriot-secrets.html
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The United States rushed Patriot missiles to Israel during the Persian Gulf war to defend against incoming Iraqi Scuds. Now intelligence reports say Israel sold Patriot technology to China[/color]. If so, that would violate Israel's obligation not to transfer cutting-edge U.S. technology to others -- a dismaying act by a valued ally.

The reports provide ammunition to Israel-bashers. And they disturb experts concerned with keeping control of advanced military technologies. Washington has long shown extraordinary tolerance toward Israeli transfers of American technology, raising doubts about U.S. commitment to stopping the spread of arms. If the latest reports prove true, Washington needs to impose stern sanctions on Israel and the companies involved.

Israel, of course, has the know-how to produce advanced weapons on its own. It sells many of them to China and other nations to offset the costs of defending itself. But installing U.S. components in such exports would violate its obligations. So would reverse engineering -- taking a U.S. weapon apart to discover its design secrets and then making a copy for sale to others.

Any such sale cheats American defense contractors who jealously guard their patents and markets. It also frustrates officials who are justifiably concerned about arms proliferation.

Sometimes it's difficult to draw the line. Take the Israeli-built Python-3 air-to-air missile. To some U.S. officials it looks suspiciously like a knock-off of an American design, the heat-seeking AIM-9L Sidewinder. Others are persuaded that the Israelis designed it themselves.

Israel sold the Python-3 to China. China in turn designed its own version, called the PL-8, and sold some to Iraq. The Israeli version uses American parts, which it buys with U.S. military aid. But Israel contends it replaced those parts in the version exported to China -- a claim accepted by some U.S. officials. The same U.S. officials don't think that's the case with Patriot technology.

Even when Israel has clearly violated U.S. export controls, American officials have declined to crack down. In a notorious case last fall, an Israeli-owned company exported American ballistic missile components to a South African company and used them in its own Jericho-2 missile.

The Administration imposed trade sanctions on the South African company, but waived them for the Israelis. In exchange it wrested a pledge from Israel to accept international controls against further missile proliferation.

But the bargain may have perpetuated the belief that Israel could transfer U.S. technology without retribution. Now comes the alleged sale of Patriot technology. That would be dangerous because knowledge of how the Patriot works could be used to design missiles that defeat it.

Official Israeli responses suggest the Administration may have winked again. "We have ironclad commitments . . . not to transfer American weapons technology to any country, unless we have an agreement with the United States on that matter, " said Benjamin Netanyahu, an Israeli spokesman.

Did the Israelis transfer Patriot missile technology to China? Did the U.S. acquiesce? If the transfer took place without Administration consent, stern sanctions would send an appropriate message: fair punishment for all proliferators.
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Israeli firms demand gov't ease limits on arms exports to China


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February 14, 2014, 05:12:22 AM
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The Israeli Army was wrong to withdraw from Sinai. Israel should have never given Sinai to Egypt.
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Israel therefore has about as much right to exist as any other country that was created through the use of force. Israel's borders haven't expanded since 1967 (and haven't expanded legally since 1948).

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April 22, 2014, 11:15:31 AM
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The Israeli Army was wrong to withdraw from Sinai. Israel should have never given Sinai to Egypt.

Israel didn't give the Sinai to Egypt. It is a fundamental principle of international law that states cannot acquire territory by way. The Sinai was, and is, Egyptian.

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April 22, 2014, 11:16:29 AM
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Israel therefore has about as much right to exist as any other country that was created through the use of force. Israel's borders haven't expanded since 1967 (and haven't expanded legally since 1948).

No country on Earth has a right to exist. Israel is alone in the world in demanding recognition of this non-existent right, and they demand it only from the Palestinians.

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Israel didn't give the Sinai to Egypt. It is a fundamental principle of international law that states cannot acquire territory by way. The Sinai was, and is, Egyptian.

The Egyptians lost the right to Sinai when they attacked Israel without any provocation. Had Egypt won that war, Israel might have been wiped off from the face of earth. So I do think that Israel should have never withdrawn from Sinai.
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The Egyptians lost the right to Sinai when they attacked Israel without any provocation. Had Egypt won that war, Israel might have been wiped off from the face of earth. So I do think that Israel should have never withdrawn from Sinai.

Check your history books. Egypt did not attack Israel. Israel attacked Egypt.

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Check your history books. Egypt did not attack Israel. Israel attacked Egypt.

I have read the history books. It was the Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser who attacked Israel. First he expelled UNEF force from Gaza and Sinai. Then he closed the Straits of Tiran. On May 27, Nasser stated "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight."

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I have read the history books.

I suggest re-reading them.

It was the Egyptian president Gamal Abdel Nasser who attacked Israel.

So you keep saying.

First he expelled UNEF force from Gaza and Sinai.

First of all, Nasser asked the UN to redeploy its peace keeping force into Gaza and Charm-El-Cheikh, which would have left the UN in control of the entrance to the Aqaba Gulf. UN Secretary General U Thant refused, insisting that either the troops remained where they were or they are removed entirely. As Nasser was on a face saving exercise, he chose the latter. Kicking the UN out of Egyptian territory is a little different to attacking Israel...don't you think?

Then he closed the Straits of Tiran.

Actually, that's a myth. It never happened. He announced that Israeli flagged vessels would be barred from the Straits. It's worth noting that an Israeli flagged vessel hadn't used the Straits in 2 years. Also worth noting that no closure was ever enforced.

On May 27, Nasser stated "Our basic objective will be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight."

Yes, nasty, nasty words. Not quite an attack on Israel...is it?

Some more considered words, from Rabin:

"I do not believe that Nasser wanted war. The two divisions that he sent in Sinai on the 14th of May were not enough to launch an offensive against Israel. He knew it and we knew it."

Or as Begin put it:

"In June 1967 we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him."

Need more evidence?

More? Nasty words do not constitute an attack. As Begin quite succinctly points out - Israel attacked Egypt, as I said.

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^^^ The air-battle was first initiated by Israel. And the land battle was started by Egypt. So we are more or less even here.  Grin
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^^^ The air-battle was first initiated by Israel. And the land battle was started by Egypt. So we are more or less even here.  Grin

The land battle did not take place in Israel. Want to try again?

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The Israeli flag actually represent the prayer clothing that Jews were using for 3000 years. The oldest one discovered dated from the 2nd temple, and this clothing is describe in the bible.

« Rabbi Méir enseigne : En quoi l’azur est-il différent de toute autre coloration ? En ce que cette couleur renvoie à celle de la mer, celle de la mer au ciel, celle du ciel au trône de gloire » …

The 2 blues are the symbols of the blue of the sea, to the blue of the sky, and from the blue of the sky to the blue of glory. (Approximate translation). Rabbin Meir.

It's means that this color is a way to escape the reality of pain, and it create a link from human to the metaphysical.


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October 02, 2014, 06:33:18 PM
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Israel didn't give the Sinai to Egypt. It is a fundamental principle of international law that states cannot acquire territory by way. The Sinai was, and is, Egyptian.

Dude are you serious?

Find me a single country that haven't acquire territory through war. It's like that since antic Egypt.

I guess today the only places you could acquire without war would be some part of Sahara, Siberia lol.
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Israel therefore has about as much right to exist as any other country that was created through the use of force. Israel's borders haven't expanded since 1967 (and haven't expanded legally since 1948).

No country on Earth has a right to exist. Israel is alone in the world in demanding recognition of this non-existent right, and they demand it only from the Palestinians.

The only Palestinian people on this earth is the Jewish people.

You know why when the wwii outbroke Jews didn't left. Because they were refugee from an ancient era, where no more places to go, mostly because of poverty, half of German went to America or Palestine (they where rich, they represent only 200,000 out of the 7million Jews in the world at that time, 6million in Europe, 1 million in the rest of the world approximatively).

You know why during the so called Nakba Arabs left? Because they actually went back to their family in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, where they immigrated from!!!! They migrated to Jewish land, because the renewal of the Jewish present gave economic opportunities. When the Jews from the world have come to live with their Jewish cousin of Palestine they created jobs! The Arabs went back home because of the war. Like the Jew went back home since the 1850' (yes 1850, not 1950).
Also sometimes Arabs came from Maghreb (especially Algeria, the Ottoman Empire as brought a lot of Algerian to balance the Jewish population).


The first time in human history we used Palestinian to describe the Arabs was in 1964/67 with the creation of the PLO. Because this time no Arabs wanted to be called Palestinian because it was also referring to Jews, and they didn't wanted to be associated to jews.

Actually Palestine doesn't even exist, you can see throughout history people use gallile, judea, Samaria, Negev, the French kingdoms even had province of gallile, and someone who was prince of Jerusalem (look for Godfrey de Bouillont on Wikipedia)

Palestine is the roman translation of Filistine, a separatist Hebrew people, who have absolutely no historic existence beside from the Hebrew bible. So basically if you don't recognize the Hebrew bible you can't recognize the Filistine. Beside they were Hebrews, but they were separatist from the kingdom. They lived on a strip between actual Egypt border (Sinai south of actual gaza-city) and actual Ashdod. They were people from the sea and they have founded a lot of cities in Europe especially!

When the roman finished the conquer of Israël Kingdom after more than 100 years of battle, they renamed Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, and they called the territory into the province Syria-Palestinae, but at the time they conquered Israël Kingdom the Filistine we're not anymore they have stopped their separatism and it's was all nice Hebrew. (Most Filistine dead by war by 200BC, rest assimilate).

So as I said they renamed the territory Syria-Palestinae, it was one province because the Palestinae part of the province was to small to constitute a single province.


So basically Palestine doesn't exist, and the Filistine neither (in Israël they call themselves filistine with a F not with a P) it's a roman invention, that modern people have brought back because of their ignorance, and you see once again how ignorance is the worst thing on this earth... Because they are actually people thinking they are Palestinians and they are suffering for real... They think they are Palestinian because the Arabs nationalism have brainwashed them for decades, to make them feel nationalistic, so that they would fight in wars of conquest for them. But they failed like pussies. Indeed Jews, or the Hebrews if you want to use the ancient denomination, (the children of Israël, Israël is the grandson of Avraham, that's why the country is called Israël) have broke all of their enemies... Now Arabs are using the misery of the people they have created to make the world feel sorry is their last technic to save face and actually conquer the most they can, because they feel they can get more land, even if they control everything from Marocco to Irak, they are greedy.
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October 02, 2014, 08:29:43 PM
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Not enough time to read trough this OP carefully, but what it seems to me, is that you are justifying the actions of the Islamic State.

If so, you are one heck of a piece of crap, these people, are no people. They murder innocent people "just cause". They drive by a normal civillian car and then shoot the heck out of it with their crappy AK-47's.
Seriously, if you like the IS, please go burn yourself, these monsters are not in their right mind and people following them are a bunch of brainwashed idiots.

Nuff said.


But, if you didn't mean it like that, you now still now how most people think of IS.
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Not enough time to read trough this OP carefully,

It doesn't really warrant careful reading.
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October 03, 2014, 06:55:01 PM
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I guess today the only places you could acquire without war would be some part of Sahara, Siberia lol.

Sahara and Siberia are not no-man's land. You cannot "acquire" them.

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October 03, 2014, 09:50:47 PM
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there's no such thing as international law.
the only law that exists is the same law that has always existed, who ever is strong enough to hold the land holds it.
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October 04, 2014, 01:05:53 PM
 #19

there's no such thing as international law.
the only law that exists is the same law that has always existed, who ever is strong enough to hold the land holds it.

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yes, just look how America respects international law Cheesy Cheesy

They attack, who they want, anytime they want. What laws? Of power.

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