SIGNATURE CAMPAIGNS COULD ALSO BE A SOURCE OF THE SPAMMING

[OSEIBOATENG]

We all wondering how we will curb the level of spamming on this forum but we have not realize this. One thing I have noticed about bounty campaigns is that, they are all having vast differences in the number of post that signature campaigners should post for their weekly stakes. Some wants 10 and others 15 some even wants 20 looking at the number of characters they want us to post. Although I am not saying signature campaign is bad but what I think should be done by the forum mods is that they should give an announcement out which will limit all signature campaigns to 10 posts and that will partially help solve the problem.

This is because when someone joins a campaign and they want 15 post and the person joins 2/3 days to the close of that week, the person tries to post all the 15 posts thereby spamming the forum with so many post within the 2 or 3 days.

Also bounty campaign managers should make sure that anyone who joins their campaign 2-3 days to the end of the week will not receive stakes for that week unless the person waits for the start of the following week.

If all these are done I think it will help reduce the spam on this forum.       

[Quickseller]

I don’t think it is exactly breaking news that signature campaigns are contributing to the amount of crap posts around here.

[LeGaulois]

We all wondering how we will curb the level of spamming on this forum but we have not realize this. One thing I have noticed about bounty campaigns is that, they are all having vast differences in the number of post that signature campaigners should post for their weekly stakes. Some wants 10 and others 15 some even wants 20 looking at the number of characters they want us to post. Although I am not saying signature campaign is bad but what I think should be done by the forum mods is that they should give an announcement out which will limit all signature campaigns to 10 posts and that will partially help solve the problem.

This is because when someone joins a campaign and they want 15 post and the person joins 2/3 days to the close of that week, the person tries to post all the 15 posts thereby spamming the forum with so many post within the 2 or 3 days.

Also bounty campaign managers should make sure that anyone who joins their campaign 2-3 days to the end of the week will not receive stakes for that week unless the person waits for the start of the following week.

If all these are done I think it will help reduce the spam on this forum.       

Were you sleeping all this time?

[hilariousetc]

We all wondering how we will curb the level of spamming on this forum but we have not realize this. One thing I have noticed about bounty campaigns is that, they are all having vast differences in the number of post that signature campaigners should post for their weekly stakes. Some wants 10 and others 15 some even wants 20 looking at the number of characters they want us to post. Although I am not saying signature campaign is bad but what I think should be done by the forum mods is that they should give an announcement out which will limit all signature campaigns to 10 posts and that will partially help solve the problem.

This is because when someone joins a campaign and they want 15 post and the person joins 2/3 days to the close of that week, the person tries to post all the 15 posts thereby spamming the forum with so many post within the 2 or 3 days.

Also bounty campaign managers should make sure that anyone who joins their campaign 2-3 days to the end of the week will not receive stakes for that week unless the person waits for the start of the following week.

If all these are done I think it will help reduce the spam on this forum.       

What you're suggesting isn't anything new and people have called for limiting the amount of posts that are required on a campaign for years, but this wouldn't really stop the issue. Most ICOs accept anyone so people would just create multiple accounts to get around any limitations that you put on them and campaigns are lazy and won't enforce this so this is then something staff would then have to police and enforce and if we were going to do that it would be better done in different ways. A much better suggestion would be to hold bounty campaigns and their managers responsible for the crap people are posting under their bounties. If they're accepting anyone without any quality controls and spamming and copy and pasting is rife then there should be some repercussions for that and until there is nothing will really change around here.

[stompix]

A much better suggestion would be to hold bounty campaigns and their managers responsible for the crap people are posting under their bounties. If they're accepting anyone without any quality controls and spamming and copy and pasting is rife then there should be some repercussions for that and until there is nothing will really change around here.

Force bounty managers to make a list with the usernames of the people they are accepting for the bounty.
Compare then the list with the members banned, once they reach x users the bounty manager gets also banned.

But back to serious and things that might be done...
Can we get rid of ALL CAPS titles?

[The Cryptovator]

This is because when someone joins a campaign and they want 15 post and the person joins 2/3 days to the close of that week, the person tries to post all the 15 posts thereby spamming the forum with so many post within the 2 or 3 days.

You doing same thing. There is hundreds post regarding signeture campaign. You didn't read them and just make new thread. I noticed you have ware signeture also. I noticed you make 7 post on 11-7-2018. So are you different from them ? I have visited your profile , I can't see your reply more then one line. Even you are not reach on member's rank you have joined signeture campaign. So how forum will spam free. We can't expect it if signeture are not disable up to member's rank and initial merit holders. Initial merit holder should be remove from signeture.  I can't see any difference them from Jr. Member's. If anyone can't earn single merit for me he is equal to Jr. Member's.

First we need to change ourselves & our post behavior. Then we can suggest to other.

[Suslived]

While spam is a known issue and consequence of signature campaigns, there could be merit in making it a mandatory requirement for all signature campaigns to require participant merit.

Just throwing out ideas out there but this could be implemented through the following forms (albeit some managers may already be doing this):

• Require participants to have X amount of merits above the average amount
• Require participants to earn at least an X amount of merit per campaign round/week

This would mean more work for the moderators but its a low hanging fruit that could yield a good outcome. Any other constructive ideas or criticism would be appreciated.

[coin5haker]

Really? No sh1t! I thought all spamming comes from people's natural ability to talk too much and mostly sh1t. Are you proposing to disable signature campaigns? I started to care less and less, imo signature campaigns are dying anyway.

[hilariousetc]

A much better suggestion would be to hold bounty campaigns and their managers responsible for the crap people are posting under their bounties. If they're accepting anyone without any quality controls and spamming and copy and pasting is rife then there should be some repercussions for that and until there is nothing will really change around here.

Force bounty managers to make a list with the usernames of the people they are accepting for the bounty.
Compare then the list with the members banned, once they reach x users the bounty manager gets also banned.

Most have spreadsheets that can be viewed. I think there should be some rule in place that if say 5 or 10 users on your campaign are banned for low quality posts or copy and pasting then your campaign also meets some punishments (thread deleted, accounts banned, signatures backlisted etc). This would soon make bounty managers and the people responsible clean up their campaigns. They only do nothing now because they don't need to as there's no repercussions at all for accepting anyone and paying for anything.

But back to serious and things that might be done...
Can we get rid of ALL CAPS titles?

But capslock means it's serious business and must be seen.

[EternityFirst]

I`m thinking, signature campaigns are not the cause of spam problem. You could post hundreds of posts every day and still be on topic, not spamming, not copypasting. It all comes down to the culture of communacation and reason why somebody came here. If a guy just came on forum to get money he woldn`t care much about rules and content of his posts. He`ll just want to formally get a minimal number that he needs for having his stake/points whatever you name it, and nobody can control amount of posts, coming from all people, whether they participating in campaigns or trying to rank up. Forbid all bounties and signature campaigns, destroy every opportunity to make money out of posting - and this will get you a result of much less spam  

[hilariousetc]

I`m thinking, signature campaigns are not the cause of spam problem.

I disagree. I think the cause of the spam is almost exclusively signature campaigns.

You could post hundreds of posts every day and still be on topic, not spamming, not copypasting.

Those users would be rare.

It all comes down to the culture of communacation and reason why somebody came here.

I would say the vast majority of people (at least 90%+) only sign up here to earn from signatures or bounties. News that you can earn good money here is spreading like wildfire throughout developing countries and hence why the post quality deteriorates rapidly because a lot of them can't speak English very well if at all and more and more of them are signing up every day. A lot of them don't even seem to be in or out of high school yet.

If a guy just came on forum to get money he woldn`t care much about rules and content of his posts.

And they don't. All they care about is earning money as quickly and as easily as possible, hence why many just copy and paste posts or content.

He`ll just want to formally get a minimal number that he needs for having his stake/points whatever you name it, and nobody can control amount of posts, coming from all people, whether they participating in campaigns or trying to rank up. Forbid all bounties and signature campaigns, destroy every opportunity to make money out of posting - and this will get you a result of much less spam  

I'm confused, because you seem to be contradicting your original sentence. You said they're not the cause, but are now suggesting that signatures be removed to tackle the problem?

[EternityFirst]

I`m thinking, signature campaigns are not the cause of spam problem.

I disagree. I think the cause of the spam is almost exclusively signature campaigns.

You could post hundreds of posts every day and still be on topic, not spamming, not copypasting.

Those users would be rare.

It all comes down to the culture of communacation and reason why somebody came here.

I would say the vast majority of people (at least 90%+) only sign up here to earn from signatures or bounties. News that you can earn good money here is spreading like wildfire throughout developing countries and hence why the post quality deteriorates rapidly because a lot of them can't speak English very well if at all and more and more of them are signing up every day. A lot of them don't even seem to be in or out of high school yet.

If a guy just came on forum to get money he woldn`t care much about rules and content of his posts.

And they don't. All they care about is earning money as quickly and as easily as possible, hence why many just copy and paste posts or content.

He`ll just want to formally get a minimal number that he needs for having his stake/points whatever you name it, and nobody can control amount of posts, coming from all people, whether they participating in campaigns or trying to rank up. Forbid all bounties and signature campaigns, destroy every opportunity to make money out of posting - and this will get you a result of much less spam  

I'm confused, because you seem to be contradicting your original sentence. You said they're not the cause, but are now suggesting that signatures be removed to tackle the problem?

Maybe I just didn`t explain myself plainly enough  I was saying, that the main reason of sh***posting is not about bounty threads or something like that. In fact you defined most reasons by youself pretty clear (age of new users, language difficalties, not caring about rules an so on). It`s about nature of interest to this forum by majority of new users. Bounty threads by themselfs are not evel, it`s how peolpe use them. Bad posts are just a consequence of all problems, you`ve listed. So, to resolve this case, admins can, for expample, limit access to most of boards for new members or something like that. I`m not sure it will work out 100% effectively, though.

[Insanerman]

Why not create your own useful post in the forum instead of trying hard in giving suggestions here about the current issues of shitposting. I looked in to your post history, and some of them received merits, I think you should encourage more people to do some kind of quality posting.
These suggestions have been discussed, sooner there will be a big announcement regarding these issues.

[LogitechMouse]

You have registered last April 2 2018 so you are just 3-4 months here. You spent your 3-4 months here sleeping only. What you posted is the problem since the start and its been a problem for a long time already.

[shilpyh]

Signature campaign is not spam. If anyone try to post like a spammer then that is not the fault of a project. And quantity depends on the project owner not by the mod of the forum. Quantity does not refer to spam. Many a people post too many but they are not spammer.

[izanagi narukami]

I can see that banning signature campaign will be the ultimate solution but the forum's revenue will significantly decrease.

~Everything is about money and Money is everything

[cabalism13]

I can see that banning signature campaign will be the ultimate solution but the forum's revenue will significantly decrease.

~Everything is about money and Money is everything

Then how about banning the noobs who doesn't give any shit into the forum's rules... And I guess we need more DTs and Mods to make that happen.

OP, I suggest to lock this thread as for it has already been discussed and an idea of solutions has been the main topic here :
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4631747.0

[Probinus]

We all wondering how we will curb the level of spamming on this forum but we have not realize this. One thing I have noticed about bounty campaigns is that, they are all having vast differences in the number of post that signature campaigners should post for their weekly stakes. Some wants 10 and others 15 some even wants 20 looking at the number of characters they want us to post. Although I am not saying signature campaign is bad but what I think should be done by the forum mods is that they should give an announcement out which will limit all signature campaigns to 10 posts and that will partially help solve the problem.

Mods aren't linked with any campaign. Therefore, they don't have power over it. Well maybe, if the mod's managing it well he could possibly do so. Or the mod can remove the thread if it got too out of hand.

They are concerned about all these crappy post, really and they can address that matter, that's why Merit system was introduced in the first place.

This is because when someone joins a campaign and they want 15 post and the person joins 2/3 days to the close of that week, the person tries to post all the 15 posts thereby spamming the forum with so many post within the 2 or 3 days.

Is posting 15+ post a day really that bad? No.

What's bad is, within those 15+ posts there are few to none quality post.

Also bounty campaign managers should make sure that anyone who joins their campaign 2-3 days to the end of the week will not receive stakes for that week unless the person waits for the start of the following week.

Well, i suppose you can pm a bounty manager and suggest these to them. There's no post ranting here in meta.

If all these are done I think it will help reduce the spam on this forum.       

If all these was done, there'd still be tons of crappy post in the forum. Reporting it to mod would be another way to counter those spam, but this would be a lot of work for the staffs, we need to find a way to nuke those.

[stepanLan]

 I completely agree with the author! I think that managers of Bounty campaigns should limit their signatures to no more than 10 posts a week. After all, the large number of messages of any user can be banned on this forum. Nobody needs it!

[stompix]

I think there should be some rule in place that if say 5 or 10 users on your campaign are banned for low quality posts or copy and pasting then your campaign also meets some punishments (thread deleted, accounts banned, signatures backlisted etc). This would soon make bounty managers and the people responsible clean up their campaigns. They only do nothing now because they don't need to as there's no repercussions at all for accepting anyone and paying for anything.

But the chances of this happening are close to zero, right?
I would love to see this implemented but I doubt theymos is going to give this solution a green light, especially since I've got the impression he doesn't care too much about bounties and airdrops (although I might be wrong about this...).

And this is awkward, a global moderator is saying we must find a solution for it as right now we're powerless to stop it.
I don't know pretty well what you can and what you can't do but if this is out of your league it means only one thing, that theymos is the only one that can do something and unless he reacts nothing will change......and...
Btw, I love your proposal about jr members requiring merit